Rioting in St Louis

[ulukinatme]

You have got to be fucking kidding me. Look you can make a pretty good case about Ferguson, a pretty crappy case about Staten Island (chokehold is against policy because it carries risks, he gets put in chokehold leading to complications and dies) but the Tamir Rice case is complete bullshit. I have seen many 12yo bring toy guns to the park and run around play with them. Right there you showed that you aren't being objective at all about this.

All the cops knew, or were told anyway, about the Rice incident was that a man was in a park waving a gun around. The civilians that called it in mentioned that it might be a toy, even though it was missing the orange cap on the barrel, but that information was never forwarded. The civilians also thought he was about 20. I was actually in Cleveland that weekend, and it happened in one of the worst districts in the city. I remember hearing reports that a man was shot in the park with the gun, but at the time there were no further details. My first inclination when I heard the story was "It would suck if that guy had shot some kids there." Absolutely the officer shot prematurely, but when I was 12 I was smart enough not to walk around the park with my pellet gun pointing it at people, that's inviting trouble. I'm just saying the situation could have been avoided entirely.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Well his age changes so much. He was just a little kid and it should have been apparent from the start. This is also why hands up, don't shoot is so important.

 

[GATTACA!]

NJNP, you should just start a blog or something.

For real. With how versed he is in criminal law, city planning, racial injustice, racial discrimination, wage inequality, linguistics, fact gathering, police procedures, and a litany of other skills im surprised he has time to sit on this board 24/7. I would expect him to be tied up in a legal battle cross examining witnesses.

Instead he's just spending his time here convincing no one of anything, and frankly probably doing more harm than good.

 

[pkt77242]

It's funny how people can have such different opinions. In my mind Garner is 100x worse than Rice. The only thing I'm sympathetic towards in the Rice case is his age.

I can appreciate that. You would think that a cop would go to great lengths to not shoot a 12yo though.

Interestingly the cops in both situations had some prior issues that were red flags.

 

[pkt77242]

All the cops knew, or were told anyway, about the Rice incident was that a man was in a park waving a gun around. The civilians that called it in mentioned that it might be a toy, even though it was missing the orange cap on the barrel, but that information was never forwarded. The civilians also thought he was about 20. I was actually in Cleveland that weekend, and it happened in one of the worst districts in the city. I remember hearing reports that a man was shot in the park with the gun, but at the time there were no further details. My first inclination when I heard the story was "It would suck if that guy had shot some kids there." Absolutely the officer shot prematurely, but when I was 12 I was smart enough not to walk around the park with my pellet gun pointing it at people, that's inviting trouble. I'm just saying the situation could have been avoided entirely.

You mean if they had forwarded the information that it might have been a toy, oh and the fact that upon viewing Rice he obviously wasn't an adult and was obviously a child. The cop should be indicted for it and a jury should determine if he is guilty or not.

 

[calvegas04]

Barkley isn't qualified to talk about any of this. He should stick to basketball, and even then he's not great. He's just funny. Tonight he said "maybe slavery wasn't that bad." He's just uneducated.

I don't think you are qualified to talk about this subject all you do is repost tweets

 

[Wild Bill]

Watching the brave protesters in Chicago from my balcony. I wonder if this courageous group of pimply-faced Columbia students plans on moving their protest to neighborhoods that actually have crime issues. Maybe they move it south to Englewood tomorrow night. That would be must see tv.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

The point of these protests is to go where the most people are, not where crime is. It's about shutting things down. It's easier for people to ignore if they go to crime-ridden neighborhoods.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Journey For Justice Faces Racist Opposition

As they marched from Ferguson to Jefferson City, Missouri protesters were met with an ugly sight.

From the Columbia Missourian:

About 200 people met the marchers as they reached Rosebud around noon, activists said. A display of fried chicken, a melon and a 40-ounce beer bottle had been placed in the street. A Confederate flag flew. Counter-protestors shouted racial epithets.
One of the counter-protesters was a young boy with a sign that said "go home."

The group was traveling as part of the "Journey for Justice" march organized by the NAACP.

This is just the latest example of the vicious and sometimes violent opposition Ferguson protesters have faced.

Last week, video surfaced of a car driving through Ferguson protesters in Minneapolis, running over at least one person.

Then on Wednesday, another man allegedly drove through a group of protesters in St. Louis and then waved his gun at them.

These incidents are in addition to what many have called the overly aggressive, arbitrary and abusive interactions that protesters and reporters experienced in the lead up to the grand jury's decision not to indict officer Darren Wilson in the killing of Michael Brown.

 

[calvegas04]

Journey For Justice Faces Racist Opposition

remeber as you say, it is only a very small percentage of people causing the problems. The rest of us just think it is goofy flopping on the ground like a bunch of fish.

 

[Wild Bill]

The point of these protests is to go where the most people are, not where crime is. It's about shutting things down. It's easier for people to ignore if they go to crime-ridden neighborhoods.

Yawn. They were simply dismissed by local residents. They stood around in the cold like a bunch of twits and accomplished nothing except pissing off already disgruntled bears fans and got the fine officers of Chicago some well deserved OT pay right before Christmas.

 

[IrishLax]

Journey For Justice Faces Racist Opposition

Soooo... this may sound stupid... but I can totally understand why someone who had nothing to do with the actions they're protesting and is just trying to drive home from work (or worse had somewhere they desperately needed to be for insert any time-sensitive reason) would try to drive through the blob of people. And it has nothing to do with racism.

It's also 100% illegal to block traffic like that without a permit. Do these protests have permits?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Yawn. They were simply dismissed by local residents. They stood around in the cold like a bunch of twits and accomplished nothing except pissing off already disgruntled bears fans and got the fine officers of Chicago some well deserved OT pay right before Christmas.

Okay that's how you feel. By shutting down roads they got noticed and affected people. That's the point. New York roads are also almost completely shut down right now thanks to the protests.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Soooo... this may sound stupid... but I can totally understand why someone who had nothing to do with the actions they're protesting and is just trying to drive home from work (or worse had somewhere they desperately needed to be for insert any time-sensitive reason) would try to drive through the blob of people. And it has nothing to do with racism.

It's also 100% illegal to block traffic like that without a permit. Do these protests have permits?

The fried chicken, watermelon, 40, and slurs were definitely racist though.

 

[ulukinatme]

That's why you don't protest in the street, where it's illegal. You're liable to get run over by a car. There was also that case in Denver where a man had some sort of medical issue and drove his car into protesters and the cops that were escorting them, injuring the cops in the process. There are better, safer ways to protest that don't involve putting yourself in the middle of the road. A lot of these are smart, college kids. Surely they can come up with demonstrations that the media will eat up.

 

[IrishLax]

The fried chicken, watermelon, 40, and slurs were definitely racist though.

Oh yeah I mean thought that went without saying... the fuck is wrong with some people...

 

[Wild Bill]

Okay that's how you feel. By shutting down roads they got noticed and affected people. That's the point. New York roads are also almost completely shut down right now thanks to the protests.

Probably got a couple dudes laid too. Nothing gets a progressive college lady hot like protests and fake outrage.

 

[GATTACA!]

Okay that's how you feel. By shutting down roads they got noticed and affected people. That's the point. New York roads are also almost completely shut down right now thanks to the protests.

Negatively. No one effected by the illegal road block is now going to magically side with the protesters, they will simply be pissed of at some idiots in the road. Unless you meant media coverage by "noticed" in which case there a far better and safer ways of accomplishing.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Yeah it's supposed to negatively affect people. That's what no justice no peace means.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Probably got a couple dudes laid too. Nothing gets a progressive college lady hot like protests and fake outrage.

Cute to dismiss the outrahe as fake. Do you also whine about millenials not caring or beino lazy and entitled?

 

[GATTACA!]

Yeah it's supposed to negatively affect people. That's what no justice no peace means.

So your plan for change is just to get people pissed off at the protesters? Now some dude in an SUV thats late to the birth of his child is going to run over one of these idiots and then we can be protesting for another whole reason.

And also you want to know one of the most sure fire ways to make sure a police officer is put in a terrible unwinnable position, its to have out of control riots. Forcing outnumbered officers make split second decisions against a group of fired up protesters.........


Wait nawww never mind he'll just be racist anyways.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

It's so people can't ignore the problems anymore. It's to disrupt the regular lives of everyone like the lives of Eric Garner's 6 children were disrupted when cops waited 7 minutes to try to resuscitate him. Some people will support the cause and some won't. These huge protests are showing how many people are upset.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Also you're talking about riots when there hasn't been a riot since the Garent decision was announced. A gathering of protesters is not a riot.

 

[GATTACA!]

Also you're talking about riots when there hasn't been a riot since the Garent decision was announced. A gathering of protesters is not a riot.

How quickly does it take for a "gathering of protesters" on city streets and highways to turn into riots?

They were peaceful protests in Ferguson too until someone decided they needed some cheetos and started looting.

This didnt help either
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[Bishop2b5]

Stupid comment on Deadspin. If conservatives really hated black people, they would encourage them to keep fighting with the cops and prompting the cops to shoot black people in self defense. Conservatives are saying the opposite: quit fighting with the cops, obey the law, follow instructions and you'll be just fine. You are not supposed to resist the law.

Why is this so hard to understand? Has NJNP never seen how cops treat white people who resist arrest or rob, murder, deal drugs, or otherwise act like idiots and thugs? They're no gentler towards us either! White, Black, Hispanic, Asian or whatever; if you resist arrest, cop an attitude and show your ass when they're just trying to do their job, or threaten to hurt them or anyone else, it's not going to go well for you. You'll end up hurt, in jail, or the recipient of an expensive ticket... all of which you probably could've avoided by not acting like a dumbass. Most of us figure this out early on and act accordingly. Some don't, and then think it's everyone else's fault but their own that they have bad experiences with the police.

 

[Grahambo]

Barkley isn't qualified to talk about any of this. He should stick to basketball, and even then he's not great. He's just funny. Tonight he said "maybe slavery wasn't that bad." He's just uneducated.

And you think people on IE, college students, high schoolers, or even most adults are qualified to speak on it?

Wow. Way to be selective.

How about those Denver high schoolers that CHEERED when 4 cops were hit by a car and one of them in critical condition? Are the protests in Phoenix justified after that shooting?

The problem is this is getting out of hand. All this has done has turned the public against the police and will cause more issues.

Yeah, great job.

 

[Grahambo]

It's so people can't ignore the problems anymore. It's to disrupt the regular lives of everyone like the lives of Eric Garner's 6 children were disrupted when cops waited 7 minutes to try to resuscitate him. Some people will support the cause and some won't. These huge protests are showing how many people are upset.

Double standard anyway? You can force your beliefs on me but you'll freak if I force my beliefs on you. Take your issues elsewhere, I got a life to lead and other shit to worry about. Cops doing their job is not one of them.

 

[BobD]

I drive about 3 hours a day 5 days a week. After a 12 to 14 hour work day, I feel sorry for the idiot protester(s) who think they'll block my route home. What was that, a speed bump?

 

[adsnorri]

Why is this so hard to understand? Has NJNP never seen how cops treat white people who resist arrest or rob, murder, deal drugs, or otherwise act like idiots and thugs? They're no gentler towards us either! White, Black, Hispanic, Asian or whatever; if you resist arrest, cop an attitude and show your ass when they're just trying to do their job, or threaten to hurt them or anyone else, it's not going to go well for you. You'll end up hurt, in jail, or the recipient of an expensive ticket... all of which you probably could've avoided by not acting like a dumbass. Most of us figure this out early on and act accordingly. Some don't, and then think it's everyone else's fault but their own that they have bad experiences with the police.

I think these options would have been fine. Murder is not.

I also think the degree of the crime should determine the police reaction.

Selling loose cigarettes allegedly does not warrant multiple cops taking down a person and choking him out when he is clearly not in a position of threat. IMO opinion that would be a ticket. Not Murder or even an escalation to physical reprehension. Give him a ticket and let the court system do it's job.

Also, I understand totally if a cop shoots a person that is attacking them allegedly. However, I do not understand shooting at the same person once they have retreated and walk/run away with their back to you.

In the majority of these cases a Tazer would have been the most effective and highest weapon needed. Maybe a little more civility.

 

[wizards8507]

Selling loose cigarettes allegedly does not warrant multiple cops taking down a person and choking him out when he is clearly not in a position of threat.

They didn't jump on him for selling loose cigarettes. Have you watched the video? They started out calmly SPEAKING to him. The police didn't get physical until the guy started freaking out all on his own.

Give him a ticket and let the court system do it's job.

That's what they were trying to do and he flipped out that he was being harassed.

In the majority of these cases a Tazer would have been the most effective and highest weapon needed. Maybe a little more civility.

1. With this guy's heart condition, a Taser probably would have killed him too.

2. Tasers don't always work, especially with a large man.

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