Replacing Diaco

[CarrollVermin]

still amazed by # of people thinking we bring in some big name dc.

we will promote from within and hire positional coach.

Sure hope that does not backfire. I see the "value" in doing that, but to get to the next level, it would be important to get a proven guy. Am I missing something in thinking that way?

 

[NDdomer2]

Sure hope that does not backfire. I see the "value" in doing that, but to get to the next level, it would be important to get a proven guy. Am I missing something in thinking that way?

when Molnar and Warriner left what did we do? how has that worked?

i understand wanting Narduzzi and by no means would i be upset, id be ecstatic, but you don't think hiring big name dc over current staff has no backfire risk?

we hire dc over current staff they all bounce next year pissed off then the dc takes hc gig and we're left bare.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm 100% positive BK will make good hires. All I care about is keeping this recruiting class together and closing strong. We are *this close* to having back-to-back great classes... the kind of classes that when they're juniors/seniors you're competing for championships.

 

[CarrollVermin]

when Molnar and Warriner left what did we do? how has that worked?

i understand wanting Narduzzi and by no means would i be upset, id be ecstatic, but you don't think hiring big name dc over current staff has no backfire risk?

we hire dc over current staff they all bounce next year pissed off then the dc takes hc gig and we're left bare.

Yeah, I see your point. But I guess that you (we all are) making the assumption that someone on the current staff has the ability to take on those responsibilities. Again, someone with no experience could be potentially disastrous (or could be great as well). Larger risk.

 

[Emcee77]

Sure hope that does not backfire. I see the "value" in doing that, but to get to the next level, it would be important to get a proven guy. Am I missing something in thinking that way?

Yes. What you are describing is the Weis strategy, which failed miserably at ND.

Weis has admitted since leaving ND that a major cause of his failure at ND was failing to get the chemistry right on the coaching staff. He brought in coaches who had reputations as good coaches and who had had success elsewhere, without thinking enough about how they would mesh with him or the rest of the staff.

BK is at the opposite extreme. He is such a control freak that the key attribute he wants his coaches to have is the ability to coach the players in the exact way that he (BK) wants. The coach's background or past work history is not as important as his commitment to the staff's shared vision (as articulated by BK) of how to coach the players so that the team will succeed. This is why (and he said this) he moved Chuck Martin, a guy whose background was generally on D, to offensive coordinator -- because he needed a coach who he could trust to run the offense his way.

So, after seeing how BK handled the OC vacancy, I'd be stunned if the new DC wasn't somebody already on staff, or at least somebody who has worked for BK before. I just don't think BK will trust anyone with a coordinator position who isn't intimately familiar with the BK way of doing things.

 

[NDohio]

Sure hope that does not backfire. I see the "value" in doing that, but to get to the next level, it would be important to get a proven guy. Am I missing something in thinking that way?

I think there are several reasons for this.

1. Ego - hiring an Ed O type guy could really disrupt the chemistry of the staff. That would really concern me.

2. Continuity in philosophy - BK has a plan. All his current coaches have a grasp for that plan. Bringing in a new guy may take them time to get that plan(if they even agree with it).

3. Rewarding his current staff. How would they feel if BK went out and hired someone over them when BK has always preached "next man in"? That could really make waves.

I like the fact that BK is growing a coaching tree and his guys are getting opportunities. I would like to see that continue. Move up someone already on the staff, bring in a new position coach, train them up, do it all over again.

 

[IRISHbluehen]

I'm really hoping that Ernest Jones is promoted to a position coach job. He is a dynamite personality and I think in a couple years time we will be hearing recruits talk about Jones like they do Alford and Denbrock. Just my 2 cents.

 

[DillonHall]

when Molnar and Warriner left what did we do? how has that worked?

i understand wanting Narduzzi and by no means would i be upset, id be ecstatic, but you don't think hiring big name dc over current staff has no backfire risk?

Aren't there multiple coaches on the staff who would like the promotion to coordinator? Will there be hard feelings among the coaches when one gets it over the others?

 

[enrico514]

The one thing that seems clear with BK is that he has a plan. I'm pretty sure he had figured out that Diaco and Martin would be leaving sooner rather than later. Wether he promotes from inside or makes an outside hire I'm pretty sure that we will all be disappointed at first and impressed later on.

 

[Emcee77]

Aren't there multiple coaches on the staff who would like the promotion to coordinator? Will there be hard feelings among the coaches when one gets it over the others?

No. Cooks is already a co-DC and Elliot has said that he is too old to take on that responsibility or something along those lines. The only defensive coach who wants a coordinator job is Elston.

 

[IrishLax]

If we can somehow keep Elston around as co-DC I think we will be just fine. If we lose Elston, then we have no front 7 coaches left on staff. I think that costs us Tuitt and maybe a couple commits... and probably makes it hard to finish the class out strong.

 

[Luckylucci]

Sampson hasn't heard anything but a coach on the rise to follow is Wisconsin's DC Dave Aranda.

Badgers football: Defense has advantage with 3-4 scheme : Sports

 

[ab2cmiller]

Yes. What you are describing is the Weis strategy, which failed miserably at ND.

Weis has admitted since leaving ND that a major cause of his failure at ND was failing to get the chemistry right on the coaching staff. He brought in coaches who had reputations as good coaches and who had had success elsewhere, without thinking enough about how they would mesh with him or the rest of the staff.

BK is at the opposite extreme. He is such a control freak that the key attribute he wants his coaches to have is the ability to coach the players in the exact way that he (BK) wants. The coach's background or past work history is not as important as his commitment to the staff's shared vision (as articulated by BK) of how to coach the players so that the team will succeed. This is why (and he said this) he moved Chuck Martin, a guy whose background was generally on D, to offensive coordinator -- because he needed a coach who he could trust to run the offense his way.

So, after seeing how BK handled the OC vacancy, I'd be stunned if the new DC wasn't somebody already on staff, or at least somebody who has worked for BK before. I just don't think BK will trust anyone with a coordinator position who isn't intimately familiar with the BK way of doing things.

Interesting quote from Urban Meyer in an article on Yahoo today. I think BK probably believes the same thing and it's part of the reason why Warriner had to move on.
Urban Meyer Won't Win National Title This Year But Has He Achieved A Bigger Goal Already? | ThePostGame

Meyer believed he would be a wiser coach, thanks to the year he had just spent analyzing games in ESPN TV's booth.

"I learned what all great programs have in common," he said. "It doesn’t matter if they're running the spread, the wishbone, or a pro set, or if they run a three-four defense, or what league they’re in. No, it’s the alignment of the staff. If everyone's on the same page -- if the CEO says this is how it's done, and nine coaches believe it -- you have a shot. If you're not -- if even one position group is off -- you don't, and you’re done.

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

I wouldn't mind Elston as the DC. Who would be the LB Coach. Vanderlinden would be a good choice.

 

[dwshade]

Sampson hasn't heard anything but a coach on the rise to follow is Wisconsin's DC Dave Aranda.

Badgers football: Defense has advantage with 3-4 scheme : Sports

Would be an excellent hire if we go outside the current staff. Perfect fit for ND if you ask me.

 

[IrishLax]

Would be an excellent hire if we go outside the current staff. Perfect fit for ND if you ask me.

Yeah, this is who I was thinking of earlier. Don't know why I had Doern stuck in my head. Great coach who runs a really strong 3-4 defense at Wisconsin. He and Mason are probably the two best DCs out there if we legitimately wanted to keep running a 3-4 similar to what we do now.

But I think we all know it will be Cooks as DC and the question is what happens with Elston/position coach roles.

 

[TheChosen1]

I wouldn't mind Elston as the DC. Who would be the LB Coach. Vanderlinden would be a good choice.

I think OC is promotion within; DC is a hire outside. It's been posted before that Vanderlinden would be a good hire and I gotta commend this board on throwing his name out there. Good sugggestion.

 

[NDdomer2]

Yeah, I see your point. But I guess that you (we all are) making the assumption that someone on the current staff has the ability to take on those responsibilities. Again, someone with no experience could be potentially disastrous (or could be great as well). Larger risk.

just to play devils advocate, we dont know that narduzzi (insert your favorite dc) could fit in with A) ND culture B) coaching staff

i dont have a dog in the fight so to speak but just think the promote from within is best. make the position coach hire a hit like Harry was.

 

[TheChosen1]

Steve Wiltfong‏@SWiltfong247

Just told my man @hansenNDInsider Tosh Lupoi is an asset and no-brainer hire if you have room for any program in USA. Out Jims and Joes ppl.

 

[woolybug25]

Why have I never heard the term "Out Jims and Joes people"?

Tosh would be a homerun hire.

Not gonna happen, but that's ok.

 

[NDdomer2]

Why have I never heard the term "Out Jims and Joes people"?

Tosh would be a homerun hire.

Not gonna happen, but that's ok.

I've never heard either, does it mean he out works or has more connections?

 

[sparkyND]

Is Lupoi definitely headed for USC? I think I read somewhere that USC might have difficult signing him. Can't remember the reason why though.

One other question. I recall reading somewhere and many of the posters here on IE have mentioned the fact that Lupoi is a great recruiter. But is he a great coach as well? Thanks in advance.

 

[IrishLax]

Is Lupoi definitely headed for USC? I think I read somewhere that USC might have difficult signing him. Can't remember the reason why though.

One other question. I recall reading somewhere and many of the posters here on IE have mentioned the fact that Lupoi is a great recruiter. But is he a great coach as well? Thanks in advance.

Buyout to another PAC12 school + he's pretty darn shady.

 

[PANDFAN]

Is Lupoi definitely headed for USC? I think I read somewhere that USC might have difficult signing him. Can't remember the reason why though.

One other question. I recall reading somewhere and many of the posters here on IE have mentioned the fact that Lupoi is a great recruiter. But is he a great coach as well? Thanks in advance.

buyout due to transferring w/ in pac 12 is the sticking point, top 3 recruiter in nation, hard to judge but he gets the stars

 

[IrishLion]

Why have I never heard the term "Out Jims and Joes people"?

I've never heard either, does it mean he out works or has more connections?

Tosh is a guy that gets the Jimmy's and the Joe's.
BK is the guy that gets the X's and the O's.

"It's not about the Jimmy's and the Joe's, it's about the X's and the O's... but it's great to have both."

 

[Irish#1]

Yeah, I see your point. But I guess that you (we all are) making the assumption that someone on the current staff has the ability to take on those responsibilities. Again, someone with no experience could be potentially disastrous (or could be great as well). Larger risk.

Once again I'll use Brad Stevens as an example and this time I'll throw in Frank Vogel. No one heard of these guys before they became head coaches. I think they are doing alright. I think we've got guys on staff that are quite capable of taking the next step.

 

[woolybug25]

Tosh is a guy that gets the Jimmy's and the Joe's.
BK is the guy that gets the X's and the O's.

"It's not about the Jimmy's and the Joe's, it's about the X's and the O's... but it's great to have both."

So "player's coach" vs "schematic advantage"?

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

An alum that has connections to the program said the coaching moves will have no effect on ND recruiting and recruiting for ND is fine. Kelly, Cooks, Alford are making the trips. ND will finish strong recruiting wise.

 

[IrishLion]

So "player's coach" vs "schematic advantage"?

I think it's simpler than that. He was just saying that Tosh is a great recruiter because he gets the best Jimmys and Joes. Hence, he out-Jimmys-and-Joes other recruiters. And it can't hurt to have a guy like that on your staff.

 

[gkIrish]

An alum I know said the coaching moves will have no effect on ND recruiting and recruiting for ND is fine. Kelly, Cooks, Alford are making the trips. ND will finish strong recruiting wise.

Don't mean to pick on you because a lot of people say this, but "An alum I know" is not a credible source. I'm an alum and I don't know jack shit (except for ND basketball, where I do actually have sources).