Racism

[NorthDakota]

In case you don’t feel like watching this nonsense, her argument is that Irish Americans’ DNA, race, and heritage are revoked because of their political beliefs. Sounds pretty racist, and bigoted to me. Also, I’m not sure I’ve heard of anything more narcissistic than believing that you, a single human, are the authority on owning inclusion and exclusion into an entire race of people. Not to mention, the very idea of removing your “Irish-American-ness” is literally impossible and fundamentally makes no sense at all.

She also states that “if you’re not pro-Palestine, you’re not an Irish American.” Palestine, which houses, funds, and enables Hamas, a group of people who’s public mission is to wipe an entire country of Jews off the map, is anti-Semitic to a comical degree.

Basically, this is dumb as hell.

It borders on being as dumb and racist as this -

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I'll send out a memorandum to my fam notifying them that we aren't Irish anymore. Its pretty diluted at this point anyway.

 

[ACamp1900]

Thanks for reminding me why my ignore list is set how it is Prat,... that video was mind numbingly stupid.

 

[Bishop2b5]

In case you don’t feel like watching this nonsense, her argument is that Irish Americans’ DNA, race, and heritage are revoked because of their political beliefs. Sounds pretty racist, and bigoted to me. Also, I’m not sure I’ve heard of anything more narcissistic than believing that you, a single human, are the authority on owning inclusion and exclusion into an entire race of people. Not to mention, the very idea of removing your “Irish-American-ness” is literally impossible and fundamentally makes no sense at all.

She also states that “if you’re not pro-Palestine, you’re not an Irish American.” Palestine, which houses, funds, and enables Hamas, a group of people who’s public mission is to wipe an entire country of Jews off the map, is anti-Semitic to a comical degree.

Basically, this is dumb as hell.

It borders on being as dumb and racist as this -

I thought at first that it was satire making fun of Biden's "Then you're not black" goofiness. It's so ridiculous and stupid that I'm still not sure she's serious. If she is, she's an idiot.

 

[ab2cmiller]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/mrctv/status/1297707698788728832[/TWEET]

 

[Legacy]

Remember there are very fine people on both sides - the protestors and the Tiki torch crowd.

 

[NorthDakota]

Remember there are very fine people on both sides - the protestors and the Tiki torch crowd.

Way to spread one of the top 5 debunked media lies of the Trump Presidency.

 

[irishff1014]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MUST SEE: Democratic state Rep. John Deberry Jr. delivers an incredibly powerful speech on race in America. <a href="https://t.co/Q34HouVGYC">pic.twitter.com/Q34HouVGYC</a></p>— MRCTV (@mrctv) <a href="https://twitter.com/mrctv/status/1297707698788728832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That was pure emotion and truth. Good to see he has character left. I don’t know the rest of his stance is on issues but I would vote for him because of that passion.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Rep Deberry speaks some serious truth. Heck of a good speech and this guy is someone worth following and listening to.

 

[irishff1014]

Rep Deberry speaks some serious truth. Heck of a good speech and this guy is someone worth following and listening to.

Maybe that fucking motor mouth idiot Lebron James could learn something.

 

[Bluto]

In case you don’t feel like watching this nonsense, her argument is that Irish Americans’ DNA, race, and heritage are revoked because of their political beliefs. Sounds pretty racist, and bigoted to me. Also, I’m not sure I’ve heard of anything more narcissistic than believing that you, a single human, are the authority on owning inclusion and exclusion into an entire race of people. Not to mention, the very idea of removing your “Irish-American-ness” is literally impossible and fundamentally makes no sense at all.

She also states that “if you’re not pro-Palestine, you’re not an Irish American.” Palestine, which houses, funds, and enables Hamas, a group of people who’s public mission is to wipe an entire country of Jews off the map, is anti-Semitic to a comical degree.

Basically, this is dumb as hell.

It borders on being as dumb and racist as this -

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Are you aware that the Israeli government was instrumental in creating Hamas?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/static.theintercept.com/amp/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict.html

Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”

“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.”

This whole backing of Islamists going off the rails thing sounds familiar.

Anyhow, it is possible to be pro Palestinian and anti Hamas.

 

[Legacy]

Way to spread one of the top 5 debunked media lies of the Trump Presidency.

You mean social media is wrong? Who'd a thunk?

Not sure if this is MSM, Fake News or what but from Politifact,

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

David Duke's statement at the Unite the Right rally:

"This represents a turning point for the people of this country. We are determined to take our country back, we're going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump, and that's what we believed in, that's why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he's going to take our country back and that's what we gotta do,"

Duke is no longer the Grand Wizard of the KKK.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

this is on the money

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Irish American hypocrisy and racism hypocrisy getting called out. Last line is great. <a href="https://t.co/XhSscREPrq">pic.twitter.com/XhSscREPrq</a></p>— Tim Brannigan (@tim_brannigan) <a href="https://twitter.com/tim_brannigan/status/1299091228907245571?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Well I guess that’s it. Some dingbat made a Twitter video revoking my Irish American heritage. I’ll rush down to legally change my name. BTW I’m American Irish. Ireland is a lovely place to visit but I was born here. Great share though.

 

[NorthDakota]

You mean social media is wrong? Who'd a thunk?

Not sure if this is MSM, Fake News or what but from Politifact.

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

It wasn't just social media that was wrong. It was the media. And sadly, nearly every Democrat politician has latched onto it, including IrishLax's Great Uniter, Honest "Put you back in chains" Joe.

It's one thing if Donald leaves things ambiguous or makes a reckless and careless statement, but a whole different thing when he makes a specific statement denouncing a group and the media claims "TRUMP SAYS NAZIS ARE VERY FINE PEOPLE", let it run through the news cycle and then make a very subtle correction to the story after it's already ingrained in people's brains that Trump supports Nazis.

 

[Legacy]

I posted previously about the Albina district in Portland where AAs first settled and made a community as well as Vanport City where many minorities also created communities erecting schools, churches, formed counsels, etc. It may have been a f/u in the Trump thread on issues in Portland.

Here's the history of Albina, Vanport City and the reacism AAs and the racism in Oregon. The History of Portland's African American Community.

The far-right, white supremacist extermist group the Proud Boys are changing their rally in Portalnd on Sept 26th from the usual downtown park to Delta Park in what was Vanport City.
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland...where-blacks-lived-during-redlining-days.html

The stated reason is “in order to accommodate … a ‘battalion of patriots’ who are ready to exercise their constitutionally protected right to assemble.” That probably includes 2nd Amendment rights which they exercise at all these rallies. Loaded weapons are prohibited on city-owned property but possession of ammo while carrying is not. Oregon has few gun restrictions. A big F.U. to the AA community in Portland. Jo Ann Hardesty is the first AA elected to the Portland City Council and is also n the Executive Committee, Albina Ministerial Alliance 2003. https://www.portland.gov/hardesty/meet-jo-ann

The police will be outmanned by the Proud Boys who have been classified by the FBI as a domestic terrorist group. The antifa will show up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...tionalist-ties-law-enforcement-officials-say/

 

[Legacy]

What Abner Haynes started in 1965 is reverberating through the Broncos, NFL today

 

[Legacy]

Those changes massively benefited the capitalist class at the expense of virtually every American family. Conscious political and business decisions were made toward those ends when they could have been made otherwise. There's no moral law that compels our elites to outsource American manufacturing jobs to the lowest bidder, to force every mother into wage slavery and every child into industrialized daycare centers masquerading as district schools.

Our government is supposed to pursue the Common Good of all Americans. But they don't, because doing so would require subordinating the interests of the capitalist class to higher goods. So the private profits of a small cohort who own virtually everything and pursue even more through rent-seeking and lobbying takes priority, while the rest of us get poorer and sicker and more hopeless. Nothing will improve until the government tames the corporate class. Might take a revolution.

Alan Page spoke at ND on MLK Day. Here are selections from Page’s comments printed in Notre Dame Magazine.
The Gist: Alan Page’s Considered Judgment

Excerpt:

In 1954 — I was 8 years old — the United States Supreme Court decided Brown v. Board of Education. I intuitively understood that the decision in Brown had tremendous impact. And from that I got a sense of the power of the law. That the power of the law could be used to make the world a fairer place. If you can end state-sponsored segregation, that showed the potential of using law to solve problems and make people’s lives better.

I’m a law school graduate. I’m also a law school dropout. I enrolled at William Mitchell College of Law back in 1968 at the start of my second year with the Vikings and trust me, it was not pretty. I lasted about three weeks. I was in over my head, I didn’t understand what was going on. Those first classes when the professors start you down the road of asking you questions that are designed to make you fail, and it didn’t take me too long. I bailed out.

But then, eight years later it was time to go back. This time dedicated to learning and understanding the law. And this time, at a point in my football career where I had probably been around a little too long and gotten stale and needed something to focus on and lift me up. Law school with the University of Minnesota gave me the opportunity to use my head for something other than a battering ram and a place to store my helmet. The second time around, I loved it. I loved the challenge, I loved the give and take, I loved the fear of going into the classroom and being called on. All the fears that law school students face, I loved every minute of it.

In stark relief, we see (George Floyd) dying at the hands of a police officer in a way that, from all outward appearances, leaves one to conclude that it shouldn’t have happened. And the realization that it’s done in our names. I mean, what took place was done in my name. And so, I think people are taking it a little more personally and maybe that will result in actual change, but I think the jury’s still out. When you think about Michael Brown and, just in the last five or six years, all the people who have died at the hands of law enforcement officers for apparently no good reason, it’s still not clear that this is going to bring us to fundamental change.

Our Constitution is grounded in racial bias. And we have this debate about originalism. Well, if we’re going to go back to the words of Jefferson and Lincoln and Madison to decide how we live today, those words were grounded in slavery. And how do we untether ourselves from that? And I think until we do untether ourselves from that, we continue down the same path.

When the problem is systemic, the system has to change. And when you think about it, we rely on the words of our Founding Fathers. Why can’t those of us here today be the founding fathers and mothers for tomorrow? This is about five minutes of thought so don’t look too unkindly at it, but what if we had an amendment that said every 50 years, we look at the words in the Constitution and give them their current meaning? That would break us from the past and actually gave us a Constitution that works in the present because, as far as I know, our Founding Fathers didn’t know anything about the internet. Didn’t know anything about airplane travel. Didn’t have any idea what weaponry might come along, what arms mean today and what arms meant back then. I think they would be astounded, yet we’re ordering our lives based on a document from a time when the people who created that document could not have had any idea what we might be facing.

He also said:

“It seems to me that people have reacted differently to the killing of George Floyd than they have to all of the hundreds of other innocent people who have been killed by the police before him,” Cole said, asking, “What do you think is the reason for the reaction this time around?”

“I think the jury is still out on that. I’m not convinced that five years from now anything will be different because of it,” said Page, who spent most of his 15-year NFL career in Minneapolis, as a member of the Minnesota Vikings, and ultimately settled there when his playing career ended. “I hope that it will, that what we’ve seen so far will be sustainable. But I think the reason we’re seeing what we’re seeing so far is because all of a sudden, in stark relief, we see somebody dying at the hands of a police officer in a way that, from all outward appearances, leads someone to believe that it shouldn’t have happened.”

Also, he said, “It’s the realization that it’s done in our names. What took place was done in my name.”

Asked about backlash to the Black Lives Matter movement, and in particular the phrase “Black Lives Matter” and the charge that it is racist, Page said, “That kind of thing drives me crazy. We’d rather have a discussion about the name than the underlying root cause. That’s one of the reasons I say it’s not clear to me that things are going to change. Until we get at the root cause of these deaths we’ll just keep having this same discussion.”

As for the forceful response from law enforcement to last summer’s BLM protests, compared with the weak response to recent far-right protests, Page was quick to condemn violence and vandalism on both sides, saying, “Those are one and the same and both deserve the same treatment.”

 

[Old Man Mike]

Alan Page, needless to say, is a wise man. ... and a major credit to Notre Dame.

 

[Irish#1]

Alan Page, needless to say, is a wise man. ... and a major credit to Notre Dame.

That is an understatement OMM.

 

[drayer54]

Tom Cotton has been grilling defense leaders this week on CRT/ Wokeism in the military. Future President DeSantis took a stance in Florida on CRT. Iowa banned it this week as well. Indiana inept GOP won't touch it.
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1402983754134704129?s=20[/TWEET]
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1403147339817234437?s=20[/TWEET]
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/TomCottonAR/status/1403386143673139201?s=20[/TWEET]

 

[BrownerandFry]

I do find some of the white privilege stuff interesting as I live in the southeast where many of the poorest people around are white. Seems like a lot of stuff that gets characterized as racist is more about class.

There never seems to be frank discussions about race, ethnic groups, etc... The fact is some consistently do better than others. Why is that? Why do Asians in this country make more money than white people in this country? Why do blacks make less? Is it all predestined at birth based on skin color?

I think a big issue is the lack of an intact family unit. I'm fairly progressive on many issues but there seems to be a strong correlation between a child's success and a stable, two parent family. No surprise that the divorce rate is higher in black households and lowest in Asian households. At a certain point, individuals/groups need to take responsibility for themselves and their own success.

At the end of the day, people are tribal and like to break up into groups. If we were all the same skin color, we would find other ways of "hating" each other.

Baby daddy göt to go. Neglectful parenting should be shunned ostracized and accompamied by a scarlet letter. By every decent caring person from every pulpit from every podium in every editorial.

 

[BrownerandFry]

Maybe that fucking motor mouth idiot Lebron James could learn something.

Interrsting guy that kid from Akron. I hope he keeps dribbling AND never shuts up. And now that I mentioned Akron what do You think of the schools be built there? Is the one you built better?

 

[TDHeysus]

Interrsting guy that kid from Akron. I hope he keeps dribbling AND never shuts up. And now that I mentioned Akron what do You think of the schools be built there? Is the one you built better?

remember the time LeChina James threatened the hero police officer that saved the life of the 'girl in pink' from getting stabbed to death from a vicious, murderous 16 year old that had the knife raised to her face/throat? In addition to threatening the hero police officer with a "You are next" quote, LeChina also hash tagged the tweet with #accountability. LeChina then deleted the tweet, and ironically felt there was no need to be accountable for his irresponsible tweet. yeah, that was funny.

 

[drayer54]

remember the time LeChina James threatened the hero police officer that saved the life of the 'girl in pink' from getting stabbed to death from a vicious, murderous 16 year old that had the knife raised to her face/throat? In addition to threatening the hero police officer with a "You are next" quote, LeChina also hash tagged the tweet with #accountability. LeChina then deleted the tweet, and ironically felt there was no need to be accountable for his irresponsible tweet. yeah, that was funny.

To be fair, he had way more time to decide on that tweet than the officer did to pull the trigger.

 

[Irish#1]

Interrsting guy that kid from Akron. I hope he keeps dribbling AND never shuts up. And now that I mentioned Akron what do You think of the schools be built there? Is the one you built better?

James has done some nice things that I admire him for, but he likes to pick and choose his battles. His silence about China is deafening.

 

[Bishop2b5]

He's a speak first, get the facts and think later kinda guy. Some of his ridiculous first takes would be amusing if they hadn't led to actual damage to property and people's lives. He's the celebrity version of the dumbass, know-it-all that every bar has: ignorant to the nth degree, but convinced he has the solution to every problem and can't stop himself from pontificating about it.

 

[BrownerandFry]

He's a speak first, get the facts and think later kinda guy. Some of his ridiculous first takes would be amusing if they hadn't led to actual damage to property and people's lives. He's the celebrity version of the dumbass, know-it-all that every bar has: ignorant to the nth degree, but convinced he has the solution to every problem and can't stop himself from pontificating about it.

and therein, reminiscent of the 45th president. Go back and read what you wrote. and then let me know if it applies.

"there is nothing to him but his noise."

Who was that written about

the four time champion (but never bankrupt) Lebron James

Adolph Hitler

the 45th President?

"convinced he has the solution to every problem and can't stop himself from pontificating about it."

Wow. So that is what it means to be "hoist by his own petard." OUCH!

 

[NorthDakota]

James has done some nice things that I admire him for, but he likes to pick and choose his battles. His silence about China is deafening.

He wasn't silent on China. He sought to silence others on China lol.

He's an idiot who is very good at basketball. He does some good charitable stuff as well.

 

[drayer54]

He's an idiot who is very good at basketball. He does some good charitable stuff as well.

This is pretty much Lebron in a nutshell.

 

[BrownerandFry]

This is pretty much Lebron in a nutshell.

Fascinating, that your judgement is that he is an idiot, which by the way, has a technical definition.

How do you rate him as a spouse?
As a parent?
As a teammate?
How do you rate his business acumen? CF Spring Hill.

And he said what he said about China, that is on the record. Did he ever stand in Helsinkii and say he believed Putin over US intelligence?

Or is that a different nutshell

It is some delicious irony that this discussion of Lebron is being conducted within the confines of a thread entitled "Racism."

As the lawyers say: "res ipsa loquitur."

 

[Bishop2b5]

and therein, reminiscent of the 45th president. Go back and read what you wrote. and then let me know if it applies.

"there is nothing to him but his noise."

Who was that written about

the four time champion (but never bankrupt) Lebron James

Adolph Hitler

the 45th President?

"convinced he has the solution to every problem and can't stop himself from pontificating about it."

Wow. So that is what it means to be "hoist by his own petard." OUCH!

What??? Nobody was talking about Trump. He has nothing to do with this discussion. Lame attempt to play "But what about...?"