2016 Presidential Horse Race

[NDinL.A.]

Trump is killing it. I love this guy.

He's a fear-monger with the biggest ego known to man. His whole speech was about how horrible this country is and how he is the only one who can fix it. And yet, for the 4,179th consecutive speech, gave zero indication of how he will do it, other to say that he'll do it. He's so opposite of Reagan it's not even funny.

This is still the best country in the world, and is still a great country, no matter what this moron says. He just tried to scare America into voting for him by vastly overstating how bad this country is - you'd think we were living in Iraq the way he spoke. Unreal. I'm shocked at how many people are fooled by this fraud and POS. It's hard to take anyone seriously when they whole-heartedly support this idiot. Do some research people.

The Republican Party as we know it is done...

 

[Wild Bill]

He's a fear-monger with the biggest ego known to man. His whole speech was about how horrible this country is and how he is the only one who can fix it. And yet, for the 4,179th consecutive speech, gave zero indication of how he will do it, other to say that he'll do it. He's so opposite of Reagan it's not even funny.

This is still the best country in the world, and is still a great country, no matter what this moron says. He just tried to scare America into voting for him by vastly overstating how bad this country is - you'd think we were living in Iraq the way he spoke. Unreal. I'm shocked at how many people are fooled by this fraud and POS. It's hard to take anyone seriously when they whole-heartedly support this idiot. Do some research people.

The Republican Party as we know it is done...

So you're still undecided, huh?

 

[NorthDakota]

He's a fear-monger with the biggest ego known to man. His whole speech was about how horrible this country is and how he is the only one who can fix it. And yet, for the 4,179th consecutive speech, gave zero indication of how he will do it, other to say that he'll do it. He's so opposite of Reagan it's not even funny.

This is still the best country in the world, and is still a great country, no matter what this moron says. He just tried to scare America into voting for him by vastly overstating how bad this country is - you'd think we were living in Iraq the way he spoke. Unreal. I'm shocked at how many people are fooled by this fraud and POS. It's hard to take anyone seriously when they whole-heartedly support this idiot. Do some research people.

The Republican Party as we know it is done...

That's one guy's opinion.

The Gipper isn't running.

 

[phgreek]

It must have been OK because CNN panel HATED it. Anytime you can get those jackasses spun up...Its probably something that makes sense and has a hope of helping.

I love David Axelrod...who can pile on Trump for lack of details....at this point in the process...what'd the rookie president ever say about anything??? And Van Jones who can pile on Trump for going in a dark direction...because attacking bush/republicans with 9/11 truther horseshit ain't going dark??? If you want to be credible, get credible people.

 

[Wild Bill]

INSTANT POLL: Trump's speech was a hit with voters - Business Insider

The majority of viewers who watched Donald Trump’s speech to the Republican National Convention on Thursday night said it made them more likely to vote for him in November, according to a CNN/ORC instant poll.

The poll found that 56% of speech viewers were more likely to vote for the New York businessman after seeing him formally accept the Republican nomination.

32% of viewers said his speech had little effect on them, and 10% said it made them less likely to cast their vote for Trump in November.

Overall, 57% of viewers said they had a “very positive” reaction to Trump’s speech. Meanwhile, 18% said they were “somewhat positive” and 24% said it had a “negative effect.”

The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5%.

Republican pollster Frank Luntz predicted that Trump’s speech would propel Trump ahead or near Hillary Clinton in the polls within a few days.

 

[wizards8507]

I changed my political affiliation yesterday. It's a symbolic gesture at best, especially in this state, but I can't be associated with the Republican Party any more.

 

[GowerND11]

I changed my political affiliation yesterday. It's a symbolic gesture at best, especially in this state, but I can't be associated with the Republican Party any more.

To?

 

[irishfan]

INSTANT POLL: Trump's speech was a hit with voters - Business Insider

This surprises me, even as someone who is planning on voting for Trump. I thought he was a little too forceful at times. I liked the speech when I saw the transcript leaked, but I thought his delivery was a little too harsh. I know anyone running against the incumbent's party has to paint a dreary picture, but I thought there was some overkill in there.

He tends to have a weirdly good read on the country and people in general. Maybe people want to hear that right now. Those numbers certainly show that.

 

[Wild Bill]

I changed my political affiliation yesterday. It's a symbolic gesture at best, especially in this state, but I can't be associated with the Republican Party any more.

I've lived through W, McCain and Romney so I gave up on them a long time ago.

Unfortunately, we'll never get a candidate like Rand Paul elected. It is what it is.

 

[GoIrish41]

“It is finally time for a straightforward assessment of the state of our nation. I will present the facts plainly and honestly. We cannot afford to be so politically correct anymore. So if you want to hear the corporate spin, the carefully-crafted lies, and the media myths the Democrats are holding their convention next week. But here, at our convention, there will be no lies. We will honor the American people with the truth, and nothing else.”

Fact-Check: How Did Trump's Claims Hold Up? - NBC News

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us/politics/donald-trump-fact-check.html?_r=0

Fact-checking Donald Trump's convention speech: A dark vision based on specious stats - Chicago Tribune

FactChecking Trump’s Big Speech

Donald Told No Less Than 21 Fact Checked Proven Lies During His Acceptance Speech

 

[wizards8507]

To?

No Affiliation

I've lived through W, McCain and Romney so I gave up on them a long time ago.

Unfortunately, we'll never get a candidate like Rand Paul elected. It is what it is.

I know, but I don't think Marco Rubio is too much to ask or an unreasonable compromise. Let Lee / Cruz / Paul make life hell for the RINOs in the senate.

This sickest part is that somehow Donald Trump won this nomination on the premise that he's an "outsider" when he's the biggest political insider there could possibly be without having been elected to office. Who's running his campaign now? The Bob Dole people and Paul Manafort, a career lobbyist who's been in DC for 40 years, no exaggeration. Trump builds this coalition of the disaffected working class by railing against the establishment, now when Ted Cruz fails to fall in line behind the establishment he's the villain to these very same morons.

 

[EddytoNow]

This surprises me, even as someone who is planning on voting for Trump. I thought he was a little too forceful at times. I liked the speech when I saw the transcript leaked, but I thought his delivery was a little too harsh. I know anyone running against the incumbent's party has to paint a dreary picture, but I thought there was some overkill in there.

He tends to have a weirdly good read on the country and people in general. Maybe people want to hear that right now. Those numbers certainly show that.

My understanding of this report is that it reflects the feelings of those who actually watched Trump deliver the speech. The majority of those would have been Trump supporters. The real question is did his speech persuade any independents or Democrats to reconsider their vote? And will any bump last?

 

[GoIrish41]

I changed my political affiliation yesterday. It's a symbolic gesture at best, especially in this state, but I can't be associated with the Republican Party any more.

Welcome to the right side of history. Trump's speech was a prelude to a dark direction for this country and those who follow him down that path would destroy the country they claim to love.

 

[wizards8507]

Welcome to the right side of history. Trump's speech was a prelude to a dark direction for this country and those who follow him down that path would destroy the country they claim to love.

My biggest regret is that this is being done in the name of "conservatism," when it's the farthest thing from it. Did Trump use the words "liberty" or "Constitution" even once last night?

 

[Wild Bill]

I know, but I don't think Marco Rubio is too much to ask or an unreasonable compromise. Let Lee / Cruz / Paul make life hell for the RINOs in the senate.

This sickest part is that somehow Donald Trump won this nomination on the premise that he's an "outsider" when he's the biggest political insider there could possibly be without having been elected to office. Who's running his campaign now? The Bob Dole people and Paul Manafort, a career lobbyist who's been in DC for 40 years, no exaggeration. Trump builds this coalition of the disaffected working class by railing against the establishment, now when Ted Cruz fails to fall in line behind the establishment he's the villain to these very same morons.

Your understanding of establishment and the facts of his campaign are simply greater than the average working class voter.

Most of the working class voters I know really don't care about the anti-establishment message. They are drawn to him b/c of his "America first" message. That's just my experience.

 

[RDU Irish]

“It is finally time for a straightforward assessment of the state of our nation. I will present the facts plainly and honestly. We cannot afford to be so politically correct anymore. So if you want to hear the corporate spin, the carefully-crafted lies, and the media myths the Democrats are holding their convention next week. But here, at our convention, there will be no lies. We will honor the American people with the truth, and nothing else.”

Fact-Check: How Did Trump's Claims Hold Up? - NBC News

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us/politics/donald-trump-fact-check.html?_r=0

Fact-checking Donald Trump's convention speech: A dark vision based on specious stats - Chicago Tribune

FactChecking Trump’s Big Speech

Donald Told No Less Than 21 Fact Checked Proven Lies During His Acceptance Speech

I looked at one of those - first item covered was national debt and THEY MISQUOTE TRUMP by removing "almost" from his comment about doubling the debt. $10.6T was the level when he took office and recently surpassed $19T. Especially seeing how the average American sucks at math - calling this an "almost double" seems plenty fair to me.

Since that was the leading claim - I didn't bother to read further.

I thought he hit it out of the park - Ivanka even better. Let's fact check her claims of equal pay for women, more women execs than men and such within his organization. I think she has the chops to reel in youth and women - her direct advocacy for assistance for working women with kids was sincere and powerful - and completely uncharacteristic of a Republican platform.

Reached out to Bernie supporters, democrats, inner city, LGBTQ and pretty much everyone out there - I can't remember that much inclusivity in an address for some time and he did it without pandering. Applause on a few of those line were unexpected, spontaneous and extensive. Didn't even mention abortion - hyperfocus on that (IMO fringe) issue destroys Republican's ability to expand their base. Peter Thiel shortly before Trump was a big deal - and met with huge applause - only wish he had a Hulkamania headband on for that address.

Critiques - too long - too loud - but from a content perspective not much I disagree with. I was getting a "too hawkish" vibe but then he says we have to stop nation building - clear (well deserved) bash on Obama AND Bush. Over the top on Trade deals but I see how that sells to the unwashed masses. Could have seen some more heartfelt hugs at the end but I think they do that awkward thing b/c they are all caked in make-up. Maybe he is just a personal space/ no PDA type of guy - definitely awkward though.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Welcome to the right side of history. Trump's speech was a prelude to a dark direction for this country and those who follow him down that path would destroy the country they claim to love.

Hahahaha. I'm sure Wiz will be waving that Hillary sign high and proud next week when we hear dozens of speeches about "free everything for everyone."

 

[wizards8507]

Hahahaha. I'm sure Wiz will be waving that Hillary sign high and proud next week when we hear dozens of speeches about "free everything for everyone."

Don't forget the "kill white cops" speeches. I'm extra pumped for those. Thrill up my leg and whatnot.

 

[GoIrish41]

My biggest regret is that this is being done in the name of "conservatism," when it's the farthest thing from it. Did Trump use the words "liberty" or "Constitution" even once last night?

Not sure, but Whiskey posted the text of his speech above if you can stomach exposing yourself to it again.

For my part, I've long ago given up on him being restrained by the concepts of liberty or the Constitution or any of the other foundational principles on which this country was built and have allowed it to thrive in the world. His world view is shaped by his ruthless dealings in real estate, and his ego has allowed him to believe that success as a developer is a logical bridge to success as the leader of the free world -- not understanding of how the wider world works, or how the nation works. All that is important is his idiotic notion that his superficial "understanding" is adequate. Worse, his horrifying, ham fisted solutions to complex challenges would upend the fabric of our society and make the world a more dangerous place.

That speech offered a frightening vision for America. I'll leave room that my disdain for Donald Trump may have caused me to fill in the blanks that his vagueries left unresolved, but I believe I heard him hint at martial law in our biggest and most ethnically diverse cities in the name of his oft repeated refrain that "there will be law and order." His stalwart support for law enforcement and absence of acknowledgement that their transgressions (however few or glaring anybody wants to argue they are) have contributed to the mistrust that people have for police. Donald Trump is a dangerous man -- a bull in a china shop who will charge toward his simplistic solutions to complex problems with no regard for what he would destroy on the way.

I have had several co-workers who have traveled overseas over the past several weeks who have returned with stories of their conversations with citizens of Europe and Asia who are frightened by his proposals for America's relationship to the world, but even more by the number of people in the U.S. who seem eager to follow him into the abyss. I am encouraged that you wish to untether yourself from a party that is screaming at 1000 mph toward its own destruction. I have always thought you were too intelligent a guy to book a ticket on that train.

 

[dublinirish]

I have had several co-workers who have traveled overseas over the past several weeks who have returned with stories of their conversations with citizens of Europe and Asia who are frightened by his proposals for America's relationship to the world, but even more by the number of people in the U.S. who seem eager to follow him into the abyss.

The Brexit result should be a huge wake up call for America. The fear tactics used by the leave campaign were straight out of the Trump playbook and it worked a treat. Europeans are always purplexed by Republicans, that's nothing new though, but the level of astonishment in Europe on the levels of absurdity Trump brings is definitely on another level to anything seen before.

 

[RDU Irish]

My biggest regret is that this is being done in the name of "conservatism," when it's the farthest thing from it. Did Trump use the words "liberty" or "Constitution" even once last night?

Haters gonna hate - laying claim to "Law and Order" candidate and supporting police can also be interpreted as protecting our liberty. Constitution was mentioned, you didn't want to listen b/c he offended your petulant Cruz and empty suit Rubio.


"We are also going to appoint justices to the United States Supreme Court who will uphold our laws and our Constitution.

The replacement for Justice Scalia will be a person of similar views and principles. This will be one of the most important issues decided by this election."

 

[RDU Irish]

The Brexit result should be a huge wake up call for America. The fear tactics used by the leave campaign were straight out of the Trump playbook and it worked a treat. Europeans are always purplexed by Republicans, that's nothing new though, but the level of astonishment in Europe on the levels of absurdity Trump brings is definitely on another level to anything seen before.

"Oh shit - no more free military shield? WTF!" I can see how Europeans, taxed out the nose and overburdened by a welfare state, might be threatened by the thought of defending themselves.

 

[NorthDakota]

Haters gonna hate - laying claim to "Law and Order" candidate and supporting police can also be interpreted as protecting our liberty. Constitution was mentioned, you didn't want to listen b/c he offended your petulant Cruz and empty suit Rubio.


"We are also going to appoint justices to the United States Supreme Court who will uphold our laws and our Constitution.

The replacement for Justice Scalia will be a person of similar views and principles. This will be one of the most important issues decided by this election."

Yep. I am guessing he was hoping he wouldn't get called that.

"Oh shit - no more free military shield? WTF!" I can see how Europeans, taxed out the nose and overburdened by a welfare state, might be threatened by the thought of defending themselves.

Yeah, frankly I give zero sh"ts to what Europe thinks. Part of me thinks though it's good if they are concerned. Europe is soft. They've been soft for a long time.

 

[RDU Irish]

Not sure, but Whiskey posted the text of his speech above if you can stomach exposing yourself to it again.

For my part, I've long ago given up on him being restrained by the concepts of liberty or the Constitution or any of the other foundational principles on which this country was built and have allowed it to thrive in the world. His world view is shaped by his ruthless dealings in real estate, and his ego has allowed him to believe that success as a developer is a logical bridge to success as the leader of the free world -- not understanding of how the wider world works, or how the nation works. All that is important is his idiotic notion that his superficial "understanding" is adequate. Worse, his horrifying, ham fisted solutions to complex challenges would upend the fabric of our society and make the world a more dangerous place.

That speech offered a frightening vision for America. I'll leave room that my disdain for Donald Trump may have caused me to fill in the blanks that his vagueries left unresolved, but I believe I heard him hint at martial law in our biggest and most ethnically diverse cities in the name of his oft repeated refrain that "there will be law and order." His stalwart support for law enforcement and absence of acknowledgement that their transgressions (however few or glaring anybody wants to argue they are) have contributed to the mistrust that people have for police. Donald Trump is a dangerous man -- a bull in a china shop who will charge toward his simplistic solutions to complex problems with no regard for what he would destroy on the way.

I have had several co-workers who have traveled overseas over the past several weeks who have returned with stories of their conversations with citizens of Europe and Asia who are frightened by his proposals for America's relationship to the world, but even more by the number of people in the U.S. who seem eager to follow him into the abyss. I am encouraged that you wish to untether yourself from a party that is screaming at 1000 mph toward its own destruction. I have always thought you were too intelligent a guy to book a ticket on that train.

You talking about Obama?

 

[RDU Irish]

Yep. I am guessing he was hoping he wouldn't get called that.




Yeah, frankly I give zero sh"ts to what Europe thinks. Part of me thinks though it's good if they are concerned. Europe is soft. They've been soft for a long time.

How has apologist Obama's pandering to the world worked out for us exactly? "America First" resonates with working class, non-urban, (dare I say red blooded) Americans.

 

[wizards8507]

How has apologist Obama's pandering to the world worked out for us exactly? "America First" resonates with working class, non-urban, (dare I say red blooded) Americans.

There's a difference between globalization and globalism. Trump has riled up his ignorant supporters by conflating the two. I don't know if he did it on purpose or if he, like them, is too stupid to know the difference.

 

[GoIrish41]

Hahahaha. I'm sure Wiz will be waving that Hillary sign high and proud next week when we hear dozens of speeches about "free everything for everyone."

Like an abused spouse, Wiz is escaping an abusive, destructive and soul crushing relationship that has long since featured anything that resembles something that he has any love for. He'll be happier in his independence than he was in his former relationship. Maybe he'll find a new one some day, but for now, getting out of a bad party is a net positive. The Republican Party that Trump highlighted last night is a disheveled mean drunk in a beer stained wife beater looking for someone to lash out at to blame for all its problems. He doesn't need a new party. He just had to distance himself from the old one.

 

[RDU Irish]

There's a difference between globalization and globalism. Trump has riled up his ignorant supporters by conflating the two. I don't know if he did it on purpose or if he, like them, is too stupid to know the difference.

You are in Connecticut so it really doesn't matter what you do - if that meaningless vote for Johnson makes you feel better then more power to you. Outside of a handful of states it is pretty irrelevant thanks to such a vast majority of voters being locked into one party or the other.

 

[irishfan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Donald Trump says he would not accept Ted Cruz's endorsement if it was offered. <a href="https://t.co/gU5PTo3iXZ">https://t.co/gU5PTo3iXZ</a></p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/status/756506480975683585">July 22, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Polish Leppy 22]

Like an abused spouse, Wiz is escaping an abusive, destructive and soul crushing relationship that has long since featured anything that resembles something that he has any love for. He'll be happier in his independence than he was in his former relationship. Maybe he'll find a new one some day, but for now, getting out of a bad party is a net positive. The Republican Party that Trump highlighted last night is a disheveled mean drunk in a beer stained wife beater looking for someone to lash out at to blame for all its problems. He doesn't need a new party. He just had to distance himself from the old one.

Comparing Wiz changing his voter registration to a drunk husband abusing his wife? Classy. Not sure what happened to you this year, but you've gone way off the rails.