Protest Erupts In Charlotte

[IrishBroker]

Did the following phrase appear in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, or The Charter of The Commonwealth of Virginia?

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

? That's Marx

 

[Bogtrotter07]

? That's Marx

Yes it is. Having the internet helps. But the majority of Americans when quizzed identified it as part of the Declaration of Independence, or the Constitution. More than once.

 

[IrishBroker]

Yes it is. Having the internet helps. But the majority of Americans when quizzed identified it as part of the Declaration of Independence, or the Constitution. More than once.

It's an easy one. No web needed for that.

 

[ND NYC]

LOLOLOLOLOL

welcome back IrishPat

 

[IrishBroker]

welcome back IrishPat

Tis not I, good sir.


But the idea that Unions are responsible for the standard of living here in our country is absurd. It's capitalism and innovation that are responsible for that. And long after unions have faded (to a point) we keep enjoying a high standard of living.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Tis not I, good sir.


But the idea that Unions are responsible for the standard of living here in our country is absurd. It's capitalism and innovation that are responsible for that. And long after unions have faded (to a point) we keep enjoying a high standard of living.

You must have missed the news that Millennials are poorer than their parents' generation, that wages are barely budging, that about half of Americans don't have $400 in cash for emergencies, that we are as rich as we were in 1999, and that yuge crowds of people are flocking to Trump because they feel that their standard of living isn't rising at all actually.

If you don't recognize that unions helped create the largest middle class in the history of the world, then I don't really know what to tell you. It's just a fact, you can choose to ignore it if you wish though.

Unions may have faded, but the changes they helped make for the average worker are so apparent that they're are now often taken for granted. Their legacy lives on regardless of their strength every time you reach overtime at 40 hours.

And I reject the notion that unions aren't capitalism. Specifically private unions.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

I know plenty of amazing and talented teachers working in the inner city. They are dedicated professionals who care for their students. What happens in the 18 hours the kids aren't in school? Who is ultimately responsible for the necessary work being done at home?
How many of you actually spend time in inner city neighborhoods? I'm there every day and perhaps see things a lot differently than some who are commenting. I see tons of hard working people, good people doing the right thing. I also see the worst bags of shit you could imagine who do nothing to improve themselves. How do we fix it? I have no idea, but I know it's not completely the fault of "society" or the "system". There needs to be individual accountability that is missing amongst a whole lot of people.
The media is jumping all over this shit and making things appear much worse than they are. There is always going to be human error in police dealing with the public and interpretation of situations that no one can duplicate in training.

 

[wizards8507]

You must have missed the news that Millennials are poorer than their parents' generation, that wages are barely budging, that about half of Americans don't have $400 in cash for emergencies, that we are as rich as we were in 1999, and that yuge crowds of people are flocking to Trump because they feel that their standard of living isn't rising at all actually.

If you don't recognize that unions helped create the largest middle class in the history of the world, then I don't really know what to tell you. It's just a fact, you can choose to ignore it if you wish though.

Unions may have faded, but the changes they helped make for the average worker are so apparent that they're are now often taken for granted. Their legacy lives on regardless of their strength every time you reach overtime at 40 hours.

And I reject the notion that unions aren't capitalism. Specifically private unions.

I actually agree with everything except the first paragraph. We're in our current state largely because we've abandoned capitalism in favor if some bizarro socialism-corporatism hybrid.

 

[GoIrish41]

Tis not I, good sir.


But the idea that Unions are responsible for the standard of living here in our country is absurd. It's capitalism and innovation that are responsible for that. And long after unions have faded (to a point) we keep enjoying a high standard of living.

Prior to the labor movement, big companies exploited their workers, paying them low wages to work grueling hours in terrible conditions. Union influence changed all that. The 40 hour work week saw fit to let workers spend time with their kids, and not just because they were working on the next machine in the factory, which was not only legal but commonplace. They pushed for safety regulations that greatly reduced accidents on the job, and ensured fair compensation for those who were injured. And wages rose steadily, ensuring that more Americans could afford the American Dream. Without unions there would be no middle class to speak of. Left to their own devices huge companies stirred up a perfect storm of poor treatments that led to the rise of the unions. It is not a coincidence that the fading of unions corresponded to an increase in worker dissatisfaction and an extraordinary growth in income disparity and the contraction of the middle class. So to your post I must say .... LOLOLOLOLOL!

 

[SaltyND24]

Huh? http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/leprechaun-lounge/259890-police-state-usa-32.html#post1792529

What I was getting at LAX was the fact that in that situation, many whom seem to have very strong feelings about many things such as "complying" or the reaction of people to these situations, or even Kaepernick's protest didn't have much to say about it. Just saying I find it strange how tight-lipped we can be in some situations and enraged in others

 

[goldandblue]

You must have missed the news that Millennials are poorer than their parents' generation, that wages are barely budging, that about half of Americans don't have $400 in cash for emergencies, that we are as rich as we were in 1999, and that yuge crowds of people are flocking to Trump because they feel that their standard of living isn't rising at all actually.

If you don't recognize that unions helped create the largest middle class in the history of the world, then I don't really know what to tell you. It's just a fact, you can choose to ignore it if you wish though.

Unions may have faded, but the changes they helped make for the average worker are so apparent that they're are now often taken for granted. Their legacy lives on regardless of their strength every time you reach overtime at 40 hours.

And I reject the notion that unions aren't capitalism. Specifically private unions.

I totally agree that unions are a large part of building the middle class as it is today.... The problem is that unions have become a surfboard for the entitled generation to do less for more.....

 

[GoIrish41]

I totally agree that unions are a large part of building the middle class as it is today.... The problem is that unions have become a surfboard for the entitled generation to do less for more.....

I think they used to say stuff like that at Carnegie Steel, but they used "horseless carriage" instead of "surf boards." Turns out they were wrong. Despite their dire predictions the American middle class was more productive than any workforce in history.

 

[BGIF]

Man NOT Dead, On Life Support. Civilian on Civilian Shooting

Man NOT Dead, On Life Support. Civilian on Civilian Shooting

One person killed during violent Charlotte protest - CNN.com

Charlotte, North Carolina (CNN)[Latest developments, published at 9:57 p.m. ET]

The person who was killed at a violent protest in Charlotte was shot by another civilian, the North Carolina city tweeted on its official account. Charlotte police did not fire the shot, the tweet said.
Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Kerr Putney told Fox News about the death that occurred during a protest over a deadly officer-involved shooting Tuesday.
A line of police officers wearing riot helmets and carrying shields have been approached at times by angry protesters. One man, who tells CNN he is a public defender, puts himself between the two lines of people, trying to get people to calm down.
Police have grabbed one person and taken him behind the line of riot officers.

For a second night, protests over a deadly officer-involved shooting in Charlotte, North Carolina, turned violent, with police firing tear gas and demonstrators throwing objects and trying to damage vehicles.
Keith Lamont Scott, a father of seven, was killed by police in an apartment complex parking lot Tuesday as officers looked for another man named in a warrant they were trying to serve.
The shooting set off a long night of violent protests and Wednesday the demonstrations continued for a second night, starting off as a peaceful march through downtown Charlotte.
But when the demonstrators neared an Omni Hotel, some people climbed the roof of an outdoor mall and started throwing objects at the crowd.
Other people were banging on the doors of the hotel, and police in riot gear emerged in the entrance.

UPDATE
City of Charlotte ✔ @CLTgov

CORRECTION UPDATE: Civilian who suffered gunshot wound during protests is on life support, critical condition. Not deceased.
9:42 PM - 21 Sep 2016 · Charlotte, NC, United States

 

[FearTheBeard]

One person killed during violent Charlotte protest - CNN.com

Charlotte, North Carolina (CNN)[Latest developments, published at 9:57 p.m. ET]

Wonder if this unjustified killing will spark more protests or anyone speaking out, or is that just reserved for when police are involved?

 

[calvegas04]

Not a very peaceful protest at all

 

[irishff1014]

Wonder if this unjustified killing will spark more protests or anyone speaking out, or is that just reserved for when police are involved?

Ironic that this death doesn't matter. The media and democrats have one agenda.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Fuck Black Lives Matter. Hurting for my city tonight.

 

[BGIF]

I've covered Ferguson, I've covered Baltimore, I've covered Milwaukee, this is by far the worst violence and property damage in my past 5 years of covering stuff like this.

Marcus DiPaulo, Freelance Photographer on the scene talking to CNN's Don Lemon.


Lemon responded that Ferguson had burned out stores. DiPaulo acknowledge that the fires have been limited to trash cans and a grass medium. People are smashing windows. Windows are smashed at the Hyatt.

We have a report from the Hyatt that an employee was attacked. Did you see that?

Lemon

Afterwards we saw him laying on the ground

I'm in front of Bank of America now. Windows smashed. Security presence inside. .

DiPaulo

We've seen several journalists including one of our colleagues, attacked by rioters, I'm not going to call them protesters.

Don Lemon

 

[ulukinatme]

American unions are responsible for the highest standard of living the world has ever known. Access to a market in which everyone has more money is a good business practice. Free trade agreements allowed corporations to have their cake (access) and eat it too (no tax penalty for doing so). Even if our tax is higher, they are getting a better deal. I say close all the banking loopholes that allow tax evasion by hiding profits is overseas banks and make them choose between exploitative labor or the US market. I bet I know which they'd choose. And don't be fooled, they would pull the same crap if the tax was 15 percent. After all the free trade laws strongly supported by Republicans and signed by a Democrat were written by neither. They were written by corporate attorneys employed by the very companies who profit most from our insane system.

LOLOLOLOLOL

I don't always agree with Broker, but I have to LOL as well. Unions were once very much a necessity when this country was rotting and companies were really taking advantage of workers, prior to WWII and after. Not that companies still don't take advantage of workers, but they're no longer denied the rights they deserve for the most part. Wages are fairly competitive in most industries too. Today unions are a mostly antiquated concept and it's been that way for some time. They've outlived their usefulness in most sectors, and it's easy to see why their popularity and membership continues to dwindle over time. They were instrumental at one time in raising working conditions, but the 40s were a long time ago. Now when I see a union led strike, the workers seem to end up getting replaced more times than not and their demands still aren't met. I've seen it happen nationally, and locally at the steel plants here. I'm sure those workers that lost their livelihood and their careers feel differently about unions today.

Look at the Hostess bankruptcy a few years ago. By all accounts, the company was not doing well financially anyway, they were looking to file Chapter 11 to get out of some bad dept. If I recall, they were looking to drop pensions going forward for new employees, something that many companies started doing years and years ago. The baker's union called their bluff and went full strike. What resulted was the complete shut down of Hostess and moving to Chapter 7 liquidation, everyone got the axe. Now, one of the unions affiliated with Hostess did restructure contracts (A big problem that contributed to the Hostess debt), but the baker's union cost everyone their jobs ultimately.

Obviously that's just one example, I've seen plenty of union trouble locally. It goes beyond strikes though. I remember the very first job I applied for was at a super market. They told me what I would have to pay as union dues up front, and how much out of every check goes to the union. Obviously as a 17 year old at the time I thought "I'm just a stock boy at a grocery working part time, is this really necessary?" I ended up not even starting there, I went to the retail chain next door for more money and no union fees. Of course things would be different maybe if I planned a career in management at either place, maybe the union job pays more long term. Other than a few dangerous fields (I know about half of all miners are still unionized) I would wager that most workers today question why they have to divy up some of their check to a union these days.

Ultimately, I think unions should have mostly gone the way of the dodo by now. They seem as effective as my HOA...they collect dues and don't do much of anything to earn that cash.

 

[BGIF]

Governor Declares State Of Emergency National Guard Called Up

CNN

State of emergency called after second night of unrest in Charlotte, North Carolina | Reuters

 

[NorthDakota]

I don't always agree with Broker, but I have to LOL as well. Unions were once very much a necessity when this country was rotting and companies were really taking advantage of workers, prior to WWII and after. Not that companies still don't take advantage of workers, but they're no longer denied the rights they deserve for the most part. Wages are fairly competitive in most industries too. Today unions are a mostly antiquated concept and it's been that way for some time. They've outlived their usefulness in most sectors, and it's easy to see why their popularity and membership continues to dwindle over time. They were instrumental at one time in raising working conditions, but the 40s were a long time ago. Now when I see a union led strike, the workers seem to end up getting replaced more times than not and their demands still aren't met. I've seen it happen nationally, and locally at the steel plants here. I'm sure those workers that lost their livelihood and their careers feel differently about unions today.

Look at the Hostess bankruptcy a few years ago. By all accounts, the company was not doing well financially anyway, they were looking to file Chapter 11 to get out of some bad dept. If I recall, they were looking to drop pensions going forward for new employees, something that many companies started doing years and years ago. The baker's union called their bluff and went full strike. What resulted was the complete shut down of Hostess and moving to Chapter 7 liquidation, everyone got the axe. Now, one of the unions affiliated with Hostess did restructure contracts (A big problem that contributed to the Hostess debt), but the baker's union cost everyone their jobs ultimately.

Obviously that's just one example, I've seen plenty of union trouble locally. It goes beyond strikes though. I remember the very first job I applied for was at a super market. They told me what I would have to pay as union dues up front, and how much out of every check goes to the union. Obviously as a 17 year old at the time I thought "I'm just a stock boy at a grocery working part time, is this really necessary?" I ended up not even starting there, I went to the retail chain next door for more money and no union fees. Of course things would be different maybe if I planned a career in management at either place, maybe the union job pays more long term. Other than a few dangerous fields (I know about half of all miners are still unionized) I would wager that most workers today question why they have to divy up some of their check to a union these days.

Ultimately, I think unions should have mostly gone the way of the dodo by now. They seem as effective as my HOA...they collect dues and don't do much of anything to earn that cash.

My only hands-on dealing with a union was at UPS. It was a train wreck. The Union members were lazy, didn't like those who weren't members (right to work bitches!)....and got mad if the supervisors helped (union made sure only those paid to touch boxes touched them). They were awful.

 

[Wild Bill]

In fact, that isn't true so much. Proof is in the pudding. Obama so outperformed either the Regan or W. Bush Administration on intelligence that it isn't funny. And of course of the three of them, his administration was by far the most transparent.!

I'll remember the Obama administration for transparency and racial healing.

 

[yankeehater]

My only hands-on dealing with a union was at UPS. It was a train wreck. The Union members were lazy, didn't like those who weren't members (right to work bitches!)....and got mad if the supervisors helped (union made sure only those paid to touch boxes touched them). They were awful.

I'll second this. I was a card carrying union member AND THEY SUCKED! They took our money, restricted our earnings, and always tried to level the playing field so the under performers would not be left behind. My union time was the worst of my nearly 30 year career. I always thought they were in cahoots with company ownership as well.

 

[yankeehater]

This whole situation is just sad. I am too tired to look it up, but there is an article that shows the financial bearing that riots have on a city. The damage exists for decades and some have never recovered. Home values plummet, commerce goes away, etc. All the rioters are doing is even more harm to any chance their neighborhoods have of a future.

 

[ohara831]

Uptown Charlotte closed Thursday as far as major businesses. My building is closed, so no work today. Not a good situation at all in Charlotte right now. Just hope all my colleagues stay inside at home and stay safe today. Hoping all is good for Friday.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Wonder if this unjustified killing will spark more protests or anyone speaking out, or is that just reserved for when police are involved?

Are you blanketing all police shootings as unjustified?

 

[irishff1014]

I wake up and see that the idiots destroyed other peoples property again. Why am i not surprised.

 

[irishff1014]

It's not that hard. My parents did it. All my aunts & uncles did it. Millions of poor farm families did it. Millions of immigrants did it. Half of us on this forum either did it or our families did a generation or so ago.

1. Get an education. It's free through 12th grade and free beyond that if you apply yourself during those first 12 years.

2. Use every job you get as a way to improve your job skills. Show up early, work late, make yourself invaluable to your employer.

3. Don't start a family until you can support one. When you do, support them. Period.

4. Don't participate in criminal behavior or associate with those who do.

5. Spend your time & money on things of lasting value. Put off immediate gratification in favor of long-term reward.

So yeah, it is that easy & simple. It's worked for millions. It works 99% of the time.

Most schools districts around my area (so i am sure it's like this other places too) have vocational schools (Trade schools). I went and took carpentry when i graduated we got a diploma for both the regular high school along with the vo-tech school. FREE good opportunities to do something.

The trades like welding,plumbing,electric, auto tech,auto body work,cad were classes that when you graduated you were also a certified tech in that area. I know people that graduated in the electric class and were making very good money the summer they graduated. And to my knowledge no one was ever turned away while i there. Not sure how things have changed with the population.


But this also brings up a point that you can't force someone to want to learn.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Are you blanketing all police shootings as unjustified?

No, but somehow these protestors think that and yet when a black person is killed by another black person for no real reason theres no protests or outrage.

 

[Wingman Ray]

No, but somehow these protestors think that and yet when a black person is killed by another black person for no real reason theres no protests or outrage.

Because they know they arent getting jack from the black community. Their best recourse is to raise caine on the white man who history has shown will buckle to stop the fussing and give them more things that they want for free. At which they will run down and start the cycle over again