Post-Game Thoughts: Georgia

[STLDomer]

Part of me believe kelly was calling plays this game reason being hardly any tight ends got targeted?

 

[IrishLion]

See world!

Sea World?

 

[johnnycando]

So good.

 

[T-Boone]

I really liked that adjustment Elko made where the Georgia running backs had back to back big plays for the first time, whoa...things look ominous. Time out, adjustment, next play big powerful tackle for loss.
Very cool.

 

[dublinirish]

Part of me believe kelly was calling plays this game reason being hardly any tight ends got targeted?

guys on II podcast said they felt like the playcalling was all BK or very much his style. (even if was indeed CL calling the plays)

 

[Irish#1]

He's probably on the field because Kelly wants him next to him so he can tutor him. You know, since has basically no OC experience. This hire was so strange. You have the Elko hire which was pretty damn good according to most, then this complete head scratcher.

That's what Tommy should be doing.

Yup. Perhaps a rollout or two, maybe add in a hard count. They seemed to time up the snap pretty well as the game went on.

Part of the learning process for an inexperienced QB. Staff should have mentioned it to him. I'm not sure a roll out would work. Georgia's D was too fast for our line to be able to get out on the sides for protection.

Part of me believe kelly was calling plays this game reason being hardly any tight ends got targeted?

I guess it's possible, but I don't think so. I was surprised we didn't try to pound it more up the middle, even if they weren't having a lot of success early. You cancel out speed by running directly at it. Keep running and running and lull them to sleep. Then hit them with the passing game.

 

[Legacy]

People want to debate a lot of aspects of the game and/or coaching. But two plays in favor of Georgia determined the game.

1. The circus catch by Terry Godwin on third down, which was called by the SEC ref near it, as out of bounds and reversed on replay. He did not have possession when his foot was down and was not inbounds when he did.

2. The hit on Fromm by Okwara near the sidelines, also on third down, as Fromm was at the sidelines. Ga gets a first down. Swift breaks a 40 run then the Irish are penalized with a horsecollar (valid call) putting Georgia on the 6 yard line. Jeez, this is football. Okwara left his feet while the QB was inbounds. This does not get called in the NFL. This is football!

That's fourteen points.

If either goes ND's way, we win. If both are reversed and we give Ga a field goal instead of a TD on the Godwin mistake by replay, we win by 9. Words cannot express on this board my feelings....

As it is, some blame players, coaches and fans.

 

[ThePiombino]

People want to debate a lot of aspects of the game and/or coaching. But two plays in favor of Georgia determined the game.

1. The circus catch by Terry Godwin on third down, which was called by the SEC ref near it, as out of bounds and reversed on replay. He did not have possession when his foot was down and did not land inbounds when he did.

2. The hit on Fromm by Okwara near the sidelines, also on third down, as Fromm was at the sidelines. Ga gets a first down. Swift breaks a 40 run then the Irish are penalized with a horsecollar (valid call) putting Georgia on the 6 yard line. Jeez, this is football. Okwara left his feet while the QB was inbounds. This does not get called in the NFL. This is football!

That's fourteen points.

If either goes ND's way, we win. If both are reversed and we give Ga a field goal instead of a TD on the Godwin mistake by replay, we win by 9. Words cannot express on this board my feelings....

As it is, some blame players, coaches and fans.

Regarding your points:

1) His foot absolutely was in bounds before his body hit out of bounds. I thought the ball may have moved after contact with the ground, but honestly that call could have gone either way. That said, if the review officials were focused on the foot in or out of bounds before he went down, then they made the right call. That was a touchdown. Though, I highly doubt Notre Dame gets that call on the road in Georgia.

2) Don't agree that Okwara was in the air when ball was released, but definitely he was about to step away at that time. I think that was a b******* call. However, no point in comparing this to the NFL. This is still college. But you're right in this case, should not have been a penalty.

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[NDohio]

Regarding your points:

1) His foot absolutely was in bounds before his body hit out of bounds. I thought the ball may have moved after contact with the ground, but honestly that call could have gone either way. That said, if the review officials were focused on the foot in or out of bounds before he went down, then they made the right call. That was a touchdown. Though, I highly doubt Notre Dame gets that call on the road in Georgia.

2) Don't agree that Okwara was in the air when ball was released, but definitely he was about to step away at that time. I think that was a b******* call. However, no point in comparing this to the NFL. This is still college. But you're right in this case, should not have been a penalty.

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As soon as that call was made my mind went back to FSU. Too many old wounds...

 

[NDRock]

As soon as that call was made my mind went back to FSU. Too many old wounds...

I didn't like the call but he should have just pulled up. Fromm was heading out of bounds anyway so hitting him made no difference. I liked the aggressiveness but officials have been calling BS flags on hits against QBs for 20 years. It sucks but it's modern football.

 

[Legacy]

Regarding your points:

1) His foot absolutely was in bounds before his body hit out of bounds. I thought the ball may have moved after contact with the ground, but honestly that call could have gone either way. That said, if the review officials were focused on the foot in or out of bounds before he went down, then they made the right call. That was a touchdown. Though, I highly doubt Notre Dame gets that call on the road in Georgia.

2) Don't agree that Okwara was in the air when ball was released, but definitely he was about to step away at that time. I think that was a b******* call. However, no point in comparing this to the NFL. This is still college. But you're right in this case, should not have been a penalty.

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Granted that we play in college football today with its replay rules and rules on hits on QBs, but if the Godwin call could go either way, the call by the ref on the field is not supposed to be overturned. Noted that you agree with me on the Okwara hit on Fromm.

My greater point is the need to reflect on criticisms of so many when the game easily could have been ND's. It is what it is. Georgia squeaked out a win when Wimbush was sacked with a minute to go.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

Granted that we play in college football today with its replay rules and rules on hits on QBs, but if the Godwin call could go either way, the call by the ref on the field is not supposed to be overturned. Noted that you agree with me on the Okwara hit on Fromm.

My greater point is the need to reflect on criticisms of so many when the game easily could have been ND's. It is what it is. Georgia squeaked out a win when Wimbush was sacked with a minute to go.

I think both points are valid. I really doubt ND gets that TD catch overturned in their favor (thinking of Floyd against MSU in 2009 and Grimes against Stanford in 2007).

Cannot speak for others, but for me the issue isn't losing this ONE close game to UGA (where opportunities on both sides were squandered); the issue is that we are REPEATEDLY losing these games in the last couple of years against teams that are marginal top 25 (end of season) or better, and cannot seem to beat top 15 (end of season) or better teams in the last 4 years (last 'quality' win was MSU in 2013).

 

[Wild Bill]

I think both points are valid. I really doubt ND gets that TD catch overturned in their favor (thinking of Floyd against MSU in 2009 and Grimes against Stanford in 2007).

Cannot speak for others, but for me the issue isn't losing this ONE close game to UGA (where opportunities on both sides were squandered); the issue is that we are REPEATEDLY losing these games in the last couple of years against teams that are marginal top 25 (end of season) or better, and cannot seem to beat top 15 (end of season) or better teams in the last 4 years (last 'quality' win was MSU in 2013).

LSU in 2014 but your point still stands.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think both points are valid. I really doubt ND gets that TD catch overturned in their favor (thinking of Floyd against MSU in 2009 and Grimes against Stanford in 2007).

Cannot speak for others, but for me the issue isn't losing this ONE close game to UGA (where opportunities on both sides were squandered); the issue is that we are REPEATEDLY losing these games in the last couple of years against teams that are marginal top 25 (end of season) or better, and cannot seem to beat top 15 (end of season) or better teams in the last 4 years (last 'quality' win was MSU in 2013).

It's been longer than 4 years really. There's some exceptions, but we seem to fall apart in the big games more often than not. For every 2012 Oklahoma there's 4 or 5 losses.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

LSU in 2014 but your point still stands.

By 'quality' wins, I meant teams in at least the top 15. The win over LSU was good, but they weren't even in the Top 25 at year end (after bowl games). Otherwise we could be counting wins against 8-5'ish USC or Stanford teams. [In fact, Kelly has a good record against USC, but it just happens to be when they have been in a down cycle]

It's been longer than 4 years really. There's some exceptions, but we seem to fall apart in the big games more often than not. For every 2012 Oklahoma there's 4 or 5 losses.

No doubt the struggles to consistently win BIG games has existed going back well beyond Kelly (Weis really did not have ANY; Ty had 2 or 3).

I was just being unequivocal on the last time the Irish beat a team that ended the season in the Top 15 (MSU in '13); their overall record in these kind of games has been atrocious. Only wins I can think of (off top of my head) for Kelly are:

MSU in 2011 and 2013 (they were in top 3)
Stanford in 2012 (they were a top 10 team, and ranked higher than OU)
Sooners in 2012

Losses in these games? I don't know that I have enough fingers and toes to count those

 

[NDTH91]

I don't have any insights or analysis from the game that hasn't already been shared here, but I.E. makes me shake my head sometimes...

Before the season:
"It would be a good season if we went 10-2 with only losses to Georgia and USC"

*one point loss to georgia*

"Who will the new coach be?"

I love you guys. Go Irish.

 

[AgentJ]

The biggest issue with the gameplan on Sat was the passing plays that were put in for the week. It seemed we were counting on establishing the run after running all over Temple and almost every pass play was a play action. This hurt because UGA was bringing so much pressure that by the time Wimbush finished the play action, there was already a defender in his face. Watch how often this happened throughout the game. It started on the second drive of the game, and the coaching staff just kept calling PA passes. Rather than use more traditional dropback passes to set up the run, we kept running play action (even on obvious passing downs) and Wimbush was throwing off his back foot, unable to even look down field. Brutal to watch.

 

[ThePiombino]

It's been longer than 4 years really. There's some exceptions, but we seem to fall apart in the big games more often than not. For every 2012 Oklahoma there's 4 or 5 losses.

We could only be lucky to have a ratio of 4/5-1 :/

 

[ThePiombino]

The biggest issue with the gameplan on Sat was the passing plays that were put in for the week. It seemed we were counting on establishing the run after running all over Temple and almost every pass play was a play action. This hurt because UGA was bringing so much pressure that by the time Wimbush finished the play action, there was already a defender in his face. Watch how often this happened throughout the game. It started on the second drive of the game, and the coaching staff just kept calling PA passes. Rather than use more traditional dropback passes to set up the run, we kept running play action (even on obvious passing downs) and Wimbush was throwing off his back foot, unable to even look down field. Brutal to watch.

The running plays called were fairly putrid as well.

 

[CIrishWin]

I am sure it has been said but Adams is slow to the hole. We need more quick hitters instead of counters.

 

[NDRock]

I am sure it has been said but Adams is slow to the hole. We need more quick hitters instead of counters.

Adams is schizophrenic. One week he looks super fast/athletic the next week he looks like a plodder. It's not always about who we play, Temple to Georgia. He looked great last year against USC and they always have athletes on D. Weird.

 

[ThePiombino]

Adams is schizophrenic. One week he looks super fast/athletic the next week he looks like a plodder. It's not always about who we play, Temple to Georgia. He looked great last year against USC and they always have athletes on D. Weird.

This prolly has more to do with the defenses he faces than anything else. I'm pretty sure he's 100% healthy, so I really don't see any other logical explanation why he "fluctuates".

 

[MJ12666]

This prolly has more to do with the defenses he faces than anything else. I'm pretty sure he's 100% healthy, so I really don't see any other logical explanation why he "fluctuates".

This is spot on. It is one thing to run against Temple and another against GA. Plus if you really thinks that Williams would have more success that is wishful thinking. There was no place to run.

 

[stlnd01]

This is spot on. It is one thing to run against Temple and another against GA. Plus if you really thinks that Williams would have more success that is wishful thinking. There was no place to run.

Adams is patient. He waits for holes to open up. With our line that works against most teams, but Georgia's so fast, those holes closed too quick for him to get far. Williams is more north-south and quick to the hole. It may not have made a difference, but seems like the change of pace might have been worth a try.

 

[NDRock]

This prolly has more to do with the defenses he faces than anything else. I'm pretty sure he's 100% healthy, so I really don't see any other logical explanation why he "fluctuates".

I think it's a couple of things. Sometimes he just looks hesitant when hitting the hole (yeah, not many holes Saturday). I'm also not sure our running game suits his skills the best. I think he would do better with plays that allow him to run"downhill". He's not a guy that's going to make a jump cut in a hole and make people miss. Seems more of a one cut and go type of guy. Another reason why Dex should have gotten a few carries.

 

[irishff1014]

Just got done watching the first half.
- A few notes Wimbush struggles to throw the ball with any accuracy on the run.
-Any OC that calls a screen with under a minute to go when you can attempt to drive the ball down the field had a complete brain fart.
-The Defense is huge Props to Elko.
-Special teams to me isn't a lot better bad returns on kickoffs and we can't return a punt.
-Wimbush had probably 6 misreads on the option.
-Crawford got luck on the WR dropped TD
-On the Carter Sack/Fumble Chip him with Mack don't expect back to be able to block him. Stupid
-Glad to see Finke get more time in the second half and give us an option to pass too.
-4th and 1 inside your own 25 in the fourth you have to go for it.
-The O-line in not good against a good d-line. They pushed Temple around some different story this week..

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Talked to Allen Pinkett today and he said not playing Williams was a bad/horrible move by the coaches. Nothing drives a defense more crazier then trying to stop a speedy back.

 

[ThePiombino]

Talked to Allen Pinkett today and he said not playing Williams was a bad/horrible move by the coaches. Nothing drives a defense more crazier then trying to stop a speedy back.

This just in.