Post Game Thoughts: Boston College

[CurtisCandy]

For me, the concern isn't accuracy, though that needs work as well. The concern is Wimbush lacks any pocket presence, at all. He's scrambling into pressure. He's rushing progressions when he doesn't need to. He goes through his progressions so fast that it's unreasonable to expect some of those longer dveloping routes to be open. Which, at least to me, is a far greater concern than not being able to hit open WR's.

His mind is scrambling at the snap, regardless of pressure. Which is surprising because you'd think, though these are his first starts, after being in the system for 3 years, he'd at least understand the concepts of the passing game. There is virtually none.

I was gonna post my thoughts on BW, but this summed up exactly what I was thinking and explained it much better than I could have.

 

[GowerND11]

For me, the concern isn't accuracy, though that needs work as well. The concern is Wimbush lacks any pocket presence, at all. He's scrambling into pressure. He's rushing progressions when he doesn't need to. He goes through his progressions so fast that it's unreasonable to expect some of those longer dveloping routes to be open. Which, at least to me, is a far greater concern than not being able to hit open WR's.

His mind is scrambling at the snap, regardless of pressure. Which is surprising because you'd think, though these are his first starts, after being in the system for 3 years, he'd at least understand the concepts of the passing game. There is virtually none.

Well said. And there are glimpses of him making progress. The throw to Smythe had touch and he stood in the pocket scanning the field. He has done that in all 3 games, and good things have happened.

 

[ulukinatme]

It would have been nice if we could have gotten yards like that against Georgia, and I suspect we probably could have gotten more yards with a more explosive back like Dexter. That doesn't mean Adams is a bad back, he's our best complete back I think. He's just better suited to power through teams that aren't as stacked as Georgia.

As far as Wimbush, he looks like a Wildcat QB. Really need to figure out what's going on with our passing game. With the way the running game is going we should be able to hit play action for days.

 

[Luckylucci]

Well said. And there are glimpses of him making progress. The throw to Smythe had touch and he stood in the pocket scanning the field. He has done that in all 3 games, and good things have happened.

I want to mindful to not be too negative but hitting a couple doesn't mean progress. Even good QB's should hit a lot more than a couple. He was distressed, with his reads, at the jump of the game.

He's also not very natural running the zone read.

Positives, he still has a big arm (velocity, distance, etc.). We need to shorten the field and his reads. Move the pocket more and do less zone read to make the game easier/simple. Less decisions.

It isn't lost cause by any means. He's just not what we thought, at least yet.

Which is surprising considering he is one of the most accurate passers in HS football history, lol.

 

[dwshade]

It would have been nice if we could have gotten yards like that against Georgia, and I suspect we probably could have gotten more yards with a more explosive back like Dexter. That doesn't mean Adams is a bad back, he's our best complete back I think. He's just better suited to power through teams that aren't as stacked as Georgia.

As far as Wimbush, he looks like a Wildcat QB. Really need to figure out what's going on with our passing game. With the way the running game is going we should be able to hit play action for days.

"That doesn't mean Adams is a bad back." I can't believe those words were used no matter what the context.

 

[GowerND11]

I want to mindful to not be too negative but hitting a couple doesn't mean progress. Even good QB's should hit a lot more than a couple. He was distressed, with his reads, at the jump of the game.

He's also not very natural running the zone read.

Positives, he still has a big arm (velocity, distance, etc.). We need to shorten the field and his reads. Move the pocket more and do less zone read to make the game easier/simple. Less decisions.

It isn't lost cause by any means. He's just not what we thought, at least yet.

Which is surprising considering he is one of the most accurate passers in HS football history, lol.

Oh you're right. But, where I see the surprise, I guess, in his reading progressions is after he's already been rattled and hasn't been going through them. It's like, I could understand if a QB was trying early on to go through his progressions, only to be rattled by sacks, holding the ball too long, etc. he seems to panic, scramble early, then randomly settle in, only to panic again haha.

I think we saw, late in the game, the potential. He got comfortable thanks to his legs, went through some progressions, and even made the right calls on when to tuck and run. FAR from what he needs to become, but he is capable.

You are definitely right that the play calling now needs to suit him more.

 

[phgreek]

Didn't see one made yet...everyone too frustrated or hung over?

My thoughts...

Nice to win, but frustrating game.

Concerned about play calling, BW passing, and OLine lapses.

D was mediocre at first and then turned on...possibly wore BC down with rotation?

Intrigued to see how we look against MSU

Is there a reason we don't call a pass play where BW can set his feet? Always seems to throw on the run.

Wimbush can run it...can't pass it yet, nor see it develop, and the receivers can't catch it consistently anyway. O line was OK. Alize made an appearance or two...that was nice. Receivers were subpar.

Thought the defense was a bit flat today early on. Thought Watkins totally conceded the out, and some. He got abused multiple times, and multiple times for loooong 3rd downs. Dline got worked in the first half as well. They did better in the second half I thought. D did win takeaway battle. They are not the liability of years gone by...even though they may not have the same talent on paper...they are better.

Why can't we kick the ball through the end zone like the other kids? Otherwise special teams were ok I guess.

I've never been this underwhelmed with a score this lopsided...must be my attitude...sorry fellas.

 

[STLDomer]

Kelly Bryant is balling in an actual road environment at Louisville.

Wimbush struggled at BC.

Wimbush was the better player by all accounts out of high school.

Where is the disconnect? Wimbush overrated? Bryant underrated? Coaching? Development?

Just saying the first road game for a new starter excuse doesn't fly for winning teams.

 

[Luckylucci]

Wimbush can run it...can't pass it yet, nor see it develop, and the receivers can't catch it consistently anyway. O line was OK. Alize made an appearance or two...that was nice. Receivers were subpar.

Thought the defense was a bit flat today early on. Thought Watkins totally conceded the out, and some. He got abused multiple times, and multiple times for loooong 3rd downs. Dline got worked in the first half as well. They did better in the second half I thought. D did win takeaway battle. They are not the liability of years gone by...even though they may not have the same talent on paper...they are better.

Why can't we kick the ball through the end zone like the other kids? Otherwise special teams were ok I guess.

I've never been this underwhelmed with a score this lopsided...must be my attitude...sorry fellas.

This is what I'm concussed by. How were the WR's subpar. ESB couldn't have been more wide open on numerous occasions. He was either not seen or completely missed by a Wimbush throw. I haven't rewatched, but I do re-wind during the game. There are so many open WR's and TE's it's silly. So silly I'm shocked it's this bad. It has nothing to do with WR's.

FWIW, it's not the WR's fault when Wimbush forces a ball to a covered WR, and it's an incompletion. I don't like the scheme for his skill set, that seems clear now. But that doesn't negate the fact that there are wide open receivers downfield that Wimbush doesn't see or hit.

 

[pkt77242]

I thought that Hainsey seemed to be noticeably not as effective as Kraemer today. I still think that Hainsey will be very good but I think that Kraemer has looked better (without breaking down the tape).

 

[Riddickulous]

* Can't call it a terrible performance with those record breaking rushing numbers, but Wimbush can't hit the broad side of a barn. We're screwed if we're forced to rely on the pass. That throw to Smythe was a dime, though.

* Ian Book did not look good throwing it at the end there.

* Josh Adams is a beast.

* More touches for Dexter, please.

* WRs were nonexistent, again. ESB targeted 1,000 times without any production, again.

* Good to see the TEs get involved again. Would like to see them used more downfield. Baby steps.

* 515 yards rushing at 10 yards a pop. Love it.

* Tackling was terrible today, which is extremely disappointing after we had such a strong tackling game last week.

* Shaun Crawford had himself a game.

* Kick return coverage is not good.

* Field position has been consistently awful for two weeks now.

 

[Bluto]

Kelly Bryant is balling in an actual road environment at Louisville.

Wimbush struggled at BC.

Wimbush was the better player by all accounts out of high school.

Where is the disconnect? Wimbush overrated? Bryant underrated? Coaching? Development?

Just saying the first road game for a new starter excuse doesn't fly for winning teams.

Bryant is playing in a system that has been consistent from the time he got there in terms of what they are doing and what their offensive philosophy is. He was also mentored by one of the best of the recent college QB's the entire time he was there. Can't say the same for Wimbush.

 

[Luckylucci]

* Can't call it a terrible performance with those record breaking rushing numbers, but Wimbush can't hit the broad side of a barn. We're screwed if we're forced to rely on the pass. That throw to Smythe was a dime, though.

* Ian Book did not look good throwing it at the end there.

* Josh Adams is a beast.

* More touches for Dexter, please.

* WRs were nonexistent, again. ESB targeted 1,000 times without any production, again.

* Good to see the TEs get involved again. Would like to see them used more downfield. Baby steps.

* 515 yards rushing at 10 yards a pop. Love it.

* Tackling was terrible today, which is extremely disappointing after we had such a strong tackling game last week.

* Shaun Crawford had himself a game.

* Kick return coverage is not good.

* Field position has been consistently awful for two weeks now.

Not trying to discredit your post, but, again, when commenting on the WR's, are you watching the throws?

Genuinely, what about the WR's do you have contention with?

 

[Riddickulous]

Not trying to discredit your post, but, again, when commenting on the WR's, are you watching the throws?

Genuinely, what about the WR's do you have contention with?

I just want to see someone other than ESB get involved. Seems to be the only receiver we ever target.

 

[phgreek]

This is what I'm concussed by. How were the WR's subpar. ESB couldn't have been more wide open on numerous occasions. He was either not seen or completely missed by a Wimbush throw. I haven't rewatched, but I do re-wind during the game. There are so many open WR's and TE's it's silly. So silly I'm shocked it's this bad. It has nothing to do with WR's.

FWIW, it's not the WR's fault when Wimbush forces a ball to a covered WR, and it's an incompletion. I don't like the scheme for his skill set, that seems clear now. But that doesn't negate the fact that there are wide open receivers downfield that Wimbush doesn't see or hit.

I started my post with wimbush can't see it, can't throw it well...so yea, I saw open receivers he missed...like ya know...he can't see it. I saw some balls he threw poorly, like ya know...he can't throw it well. I also saw a couple balls that were catchable...that weren't caught, or fought back to. This group of receivers does not have "it" in my estimation. I'll rewatch...maybe my standards are too high.

 

[phgreek]

* Can't call it a terrible performance with those record breaking rushing numbers, but Wimbush can't hit the broad side of a barn. We're screwed if we're forced to rely on the pass. That throw to Smythe was a dime, though.

* Ian Book did not look good throwing it at the end there.

* Josh Adams is a beast.

* More touches for Dexter, please.

* WRs were nonexistent, again. ESB targeted 1,000 times without any production, again.

* Good to see the TEs get involved again. Would like to see them used more downfield. Baby steps.

* 515 yards rushing at 10 yards a pop. Love it.

* Tackling was terrible today, which is extremely disappointing after we had such a strong tackling game last week.

* Shaun Crawford had himself a game.

* Kick return coverage is not good.

* Field position has been consistently awful for two weeks now.

yes...I forgot to mention tackling...agreed...was not good.

 

[dwshade]

I just want to see someone other than ESB get involved. Seems to be the only receiver we ever target.

Mack had five catches today and Claypool had several targets.

 

[Section20Row27]

We beat a team we should have beat... that's progress (Texas, Duke, NC St, Navy, VT last year)

Chip Long needs to figure out how to call pass plays that fit Wimbush's experience. All routes take too long to develop. Need some quick slants...not wide receiver screens.

Elko did a great job of 2nd half adjustments. Defense has potential to be real good. Our D-line should have owned their O-line....play some of the young guys like Kareem.

Tony Jones playing before Dexter is just wrong.

If it was an ND receiver that caught a touchdown pass then had the ball stripped, the Ref's would have said no touchdown.

Coney had 13 tackles. Okwara is gonna be good. How about Crawford!

All that talk about utilizing TE's in the offseason...SMH

Still have a lot of work to do...but we are 2-1.

 

[Luckylucci]

I just want to see someone other than ESB get involved. Seems to be the only receiver we ever target.

Who's fault is that? Maybe, the QB who is rushing reads, discrediting some altogether, or just plain missing open receivers. I just think we need context here.

 

[dwshade]

* Can't call it a terrible performance with those record breaking rushing numbers, but Wimbush can't hit the broad side of a barn. We're screwed if we're forced to rely on the pass. That throw to Smythe was a dime, though.

* Ian Book did not look good throwing it at the end there.

* Josh Adams is a beast.

* More touches for Dexter, please.

* WRs were nonexistent, again. ESB targeted 1,000 times without any production, again.

* Good to see the TEs get involved again. Would like to see them used more downfield. Baby steps.

* 515 yards rushing at 10 yards a pop. Love it.

* Tackling was terrible today, which is extremely disappointing after we had such a strong tackling game last week.

* Shaun Crawford had himself a game.

* Kick return coverage is not good.

* Field position has been consistently awful for two weeks now.

Going to be hard to get many more touches for Dexter and it's not because of Adams. It's because Wimbush gets so many carries. He had 21 today. Josh had 18 and you want him to get 17-18 touches a game. 39 runs between those two doesn't leave a lot for anyone else. Plus Dexter has looked explosive in the 4th quarters against Temple and BC against tired defenses. Not sure if he would seem as explosive early in the game. And we may not find out if Adams keeps performing at such a high level.

 

[calvegas04]

HH is over rated

OL needs work

Wimbush isn't a QB

Defense is good

Adams is good

dexter more touches please

More Book

 

[dwshade]

We beat a team we should have beat... that's progress (Texas, Duke, NC St, Navy, VT last year)

Chip Long needs to figure out how to call pass plays that fit Wimbush's experience. All routes take too long to develop. Need some quick slants...not wide receiver screens.

Elko did a great job of 2nd half adjustments. Defense has potential to be real good. Our D-line should have owned their O-line....play some of the young guys like Kareem.

Tony Jones playing before Dexter is just wrong.

If it was an ND receiver that caught a touchdown pass then had the ball stripped, the Ref's would have said no touchdown.

Coney had 13 tackles. Okwara is gonna be good. How about Crawford!

All that talk about utilizing TE's in the offseason...SMH

Still have a lot of work to do...but we are 2-1.

They are playing young guys on the DL. Saw plenty of Hinish and Myron T. inside. Rotated Hayes, Hayes, Trumbetti and Okwara at DE.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Did we win or lose? I can't tell

 

[dwshade]

HH is over rated

OL needs work

Wimbush isn't a QB

Defense is good

Adams is good

dexter more touches please

More Book

Less posts from you would be good.

 

[phgreek]

Did we win or lose? I can't tell

Hey...it takes us a few games to see the glass as half full...

I know what you mean...and I for one, feel bad about dirting on them after such a big win...but look at today...what you saw...and extrapolate to future teams. To me what was out there today showed signs of being vulnerable against better talent...

 

[Riddickulous]

Who's fault is that? Maybe, the QB who is rushing reads, discrediting some altogether, or just plain missing open receivers. I just think we need context here.

We haven't had a truly terrible passer in a while. Takes some getting used to.

 

[dwshade]

Hey...it takes us a few games to see the glass as half full...

I know what you mean...and I for one, feel bad about dirting on them after such a big win...but look at today...what you saw...and extrapolate to future teams. To me what was out there today showed signs of being vulnerable against better talent...

Teams don't stay the same throughout the season. This team can get much better as season progresses.

 

[texbender]

Didn't see much that excites me going forward:
- OL not as advertised
- no passing offense; defenses will stack it
- DL should have dominated that BC OL
- don't get the play calling
- take the win and get ready for better competition
- Kelly looked beaten down

 

[Luckylucci]

I started my post with wimbush can't see it, can't throw it well...so yea, I saw open receivers he missed...like ya know...he can't see it. I saw some balls he threw poorly, like ya know...he can't throw it well. I also saw a couple balls that were catchable...that weren't caught, or fought back to. This group of receivers does not have "it" in my estimation. I'll rewatch...maybe my standards are too high.

How many dropped passes did we have today?

 

[phgreek]

Teams don't stay the same throughout the season. This team can get much better as season progresses.

I've said as much...just didn't happen today...so I point to things that need to improve based on what I saw today.