Alabama Freshman Dee Liner posts picture with Wads of Cash

[Legacy]

I agree with you. You make some good points. Just signing kids because they're highly rated and thinking you can just jam them into the system absolutely doesn't work. That happened to Bobby Bowden near the end... he started letting Scout and Rivals do his recruiting analysis for him and ended up with some teams high on talent and low on character and desire. Saban needs to get back to finding more of those 3- and 4-star kids who feel they have something to prove and will out-hit, outwork, and out-desire anybody else.

Kelly is doing a good job and building something at ND. His approach may take longer and frustrate you guys sometimes, but you're getting there for sure.

Let's look at some facts. In the business/competition model of roster management that Saban has, this is how the roster looks in the last two years broken down by class size:
2014 - 10 (2010 class)-9 (2011 class)-15-21-24(incoming enrolled freshmen)
2015- 5 (2011 class-includes Coker) - 15-18-25(includes Scarborough)-22

Again,
2014- 10-9-15-21-24
2015- 5-15-18-25-22
(Fall roster, does not include walkons given scholarships)

Of the twelve seniors in 2015 (RS Seniors and Senior in their last year of eligibility), three are three stars - Coker (a transfer), Lake (DT) and Washington (S)

Of the fourteen seniors in 2014, three are three stars - Shepherd (OT), Ivory (DT), and Perry (S).

Looking at Saban's recruiting classes for 2014&2015,
- in 2015, three are three stars
- 2014, four are three stars

(Rivals rankings. Kicker eliminated.)

Three stars recruited to Alabama have a small chance of completing their education at Alabama. Of course, the early entrants to the NFL draft are eliminated because they do not become seniors either year. But most are four or five stars.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Let's look at some facts. In the business/competition model of roster management that Saban has, this is how the roster looks in the last two years broken down by class size:
2014 - 10 (2010 class)-9 (2011 class)-15-21-24(incoming enrolled freshmen)
2015- 5 (2011 class-includes Coker) - 15-18-25(includes Scarborough)-22

Again,
2014- 10-9-15-21-24
2015- 5-15-18-25-22
(Fall roster, does not include walkons given scholarships)

Of the twelve seniors in 2015 (RS Seniors and Senior in their last year of eligibility), three are three stars - Coker (a transfer), Lake (DT) and Washington (S)

Of the fourteen seniors in 2014, three are three stars - Shepherd (OT), Ivory (DT), and Perry (S).

Looking at Saban's recruiting classes for 2014&2015,
- in 2015, three are three stars
- 2014, four are three stars

(Rivals rankings. Kicker eliminated.)

Three stars recruited to Alabama have a small chance of completing their education at Alabama. Of course, the early entrants to the NFL draft are eliminated because they do not become seniors either year. But most are four or five stars.

I'm not clear how you draw that conclusion based on the stats you gave. The number of former 3-star recruits still around for their senior year tells us virtually nothing about how likely it is a 3-star will graduate unless we know how many there were to start with. Are those three 3-star guys in each of the last two classes three of an original fifteen 3-stars in their class or three of three? Bama doesn't generally sign many 3-stars... probably 3-6 each class. Need to know how many of them there were to start with to know whether three still there to graduate four or five years later is a high or low percentage.

 

[scUM Hater]

White per say the n word, racist. African Americans say it, thug life. Am I right my Honkeys?

 

[Legacy]

I'm not clear how you draw that conclusion based on the stats you gave. The number of former 3-star recruits still around for their senior year tells us virtually nothing about how likely it is a 3-star will graduate unless we know how many there were to start with. Are those three 3-star guys in each of the last two classes three of an original fifteen 3-stars in their class or three of three? Bama doesn't generally sign many 3-stars... probably 3-6 each class. Need to know how many of them there were to start with to know whether three still there to graduate four or five years later is a high or low percentage.

Of the twenty-six NSD signees in the Class of 2010 (ranked fifth by Rivals), three were grayshirted, two more did not qualify and did not enroll, and one chose baseball. Of the twenty enrollees, eight were three stars (38%). Of those eight, five graduated (23% of the original class size).

In the twenty-four from the 2011 class, all enrolled, no grayshirts. The class was ranked second, representing a lower number of three stars - six (25%). Of those six three stars, two graduated (8.5% of the original class size).

Three stars in the next classes were:
2012-8
2013-8
2014-7
2015-4

All these classes were ranked #1 for what that is worth. The mistake of looking at these classes individually is the oversigning factor. Oversigning pressures the classes before them and always results in reducing players graduation rates.

The federal graduation rate, which would be reflective of football players graduating from Alabama in six years, is in the 60% area.