Alabama Freshman Dee Liner posts picture with Wads of Cash

[irishpat183]

Also, to be honest, I wasn't 100% ecstatic when Bama got a commitment from him. From all accounts, he's a quality kid who values his education, but some of the kids he associated himself with in High School weren't exactly the greatest kids. No clue who those two other guys are, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were two of his buddies from Muscle Shoals.

Looks like he values his education in this picture. Nothing screams "I want a quality education" like signing with Bama and flashing wads of cash with #strugglesareoverwit


He obviously isn't that great of kid himself if he hangs with morons or shady kids.


You're only as good as the company you keep...And that is as true as it gets in sports. I'm betting that Aaron Hernandez was also a "good kid" that just "hung out with the wrong crowd".

With that being said...he's young and has time to clean up, but this is NOT what I want to see from a top recruit at my school.

 

[irishpat183]

How is it solely his fault if boosters from Alabama were offering him cash? Or are you mad because he was not more discreet about his cash taking? Takes two to tango!

Because he took the money and knew it was wrong.

If he doesn't take the money, none of this matters.


lots of people are going to be offering him lots of "favors"..he needs to say "no".

 

[ulukinatme]

Because he took the money and knew it was wrong.

If he doesn't take the money, none of this matters.


lots of people are going to be offering him lots of "favors"..he needs to say "no".

I gotta agree with Pat here, thats kind of what I was getting at. Our players surely receive offers on a daily basis that would be constituted as illegal. You hope that the players turn these down, but I'm sure theres circumstances where their judgement is bad and we don't find out about it. A program can only do so much to educate these kids, it's up to the player to make the right call. These days every school has a program in place to educate the players on impermissible benefits (Some schools are better or more efficient than others), can't fault the school if the players fail to do the right thing.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I gotta agree with Pat here, thats kind of what I was getting at. Our players surely receive offers on a daily basis that would be constituted as illegal. You hope that the players turn these down, but I'm sure theres circumstances where their judgement is bad and we don't find out about it. A program can only do so much to educate these kids, it's up to the player to make the right call. These days every school has a program in place to educate the players on impermissible benefits (Some schools are better or more efficient than others), can't fault the school if the players fail to do the right thing.

Part of eliminating this sort of problem is educating the boosters also. You have to make it clear to them that they CAN NOT be doing this sort of stuff. When you catch one doing it, you have to disassociate your program from him immediately. When they realize that getting caught giving a player impermissible benefits will result in permanent loss of their season tickets and association with the program, most of that crap stops.

 

[mgriff]

Part of eliminating this sort of problem is educating the boosters also. You have to make it clear to them that they CAN NOT be doing this sort of stuff. When you catch one doing it, you have to disassociate your program from him immediately. When they realize that getting caught giving a player impermissible benefits will result in permanent loss of their season tickets and association with the program, most of that crap stops.

Completely agree and while it's nice to think these kids are models of integrity, many come from disadvantaged communities, where they've struggled their whole lives. Some money to make their lives or the lives of their families better, isn't really such a terrible thing in the grand scheme of all that is wrong in college football. Their schools are making bank off of them, so it is far too easy to rationalize. This will not go away, ever, until the cause is dealt with.

The root cause, in my opinion, is a for profit system masquerading as an amateur sport for tax benefits. I love the idea that if you're athletically gifted you are educated and in the end our society turns out more well rounded citizens. I don't think that is the cultural norm any longer. It seems like this system really needs to evolve in order to repair itself and its image in the ever evolving 21st century.

 

[NDhoosier]

Because he took the money and knew it was wrong.

If he doesn't take the money, none of this matters.


lots of people are going to be offering him lots of "favors"..he needs to say "no".

so, by your logic, next time I pull up on a drug deal, only one of them is doing something illegal? Which one should I arrest?

 

[ulukinatme]

so, by your logic, next time I pull up on a drug deal, only one of them is doing something illegal? Which one should I arrest?

I don't think thats a fair comparison. Anybody can offer these kids benefits whether they're associated with the school or not. They can be a car dealership offering "jobs" to players of their favorite local university. It's ultimately up to the kids to do the right thing.

 

[dublinirish]

Completely agree and while it's nice to think these kids are models of integrity, many come from disadvantaged communities, where they've struggled their whole lives. Some money to make their lives or the lives of their families better, isn't really such a terrible thing in the grand scheme of all that is wrong in college football. Their schools are making bank off of them, so it is far too easy to rationalize. This will not go away, ever, until the cause is dealt with.

The root cause, in my opinion, is a for profit system masquerading as an amateur sport for tax benefits. I love the idea that if you're athletically gifted you are educated and in the end our society turns out more well rounded citizens. I don't think that is the cultural norm any longer. It seems like this system really needs to evolve in order to repair itself and its image in the ever evolving 21st century.

exactly, its exploitation of the highest degree. Even having ND super douche fans contacting recruits on twitter riles me up, never mind them actually offering recruits cash to commit to the University. Its up to the "decent" and true Alabama fans/alumni/administrators to weed out these clowns and cut them out of the picture/ban them from games etc. The colleges turn a blind eye to the whole practice and its truly sickening

 

[RammerJammer91]

Looks like he values his education in this picture. Nothing screams "I want a quality education" like signing with Bama and flashing wads of cash with #strugglesareoverwit


He obviously isn't that great of kid himself if he hangs with morons or shady kids.


You're only as good as the company you keep...And that is as true as it gets in sports. I'm betting that Aaron Hernandez was also a "good kid" that just "hung out with the wrong crowd".

With that being said...he's young and has time to clean up, but this is NOT what I want to see from a top recruit at my school.

I agree as far as this picture is concerned, but there have been multiple people that cover football recruiting that have gone on record saying that Liner, and his family, really value education, in addition to going to a school that can help him reach his potential athletically. Jox 94.5, a station down in Birmingham, has recruiting analysts come on 3-4 times every week, and when things were heating up heading towards NSD, there were quite a few who said Liner wanted to go to a school that would help him reach his full potential academically, as well as athletically. And they were very adamant about that.

 

[woolybug25]

there were quite a few who said Liner wanted to go to a school that would help him reach his full potential academically, as well as athletically. And they were very adamant about that.

Then why in the hell did he go to Bama?... lol

Give us a break, Rammer. Your niavete is getting old.

 

[RammerJammer91]

Then why in the hell did he go to Bama?... lol

Give us a break, Rammer. Your niavete is getting old.

What have I done? What I posted was a fact. Take off the ND goggles and be objective as opposed to making false claims just because I'm a fan of another team. I suspect you're just upset that 1.) I'm a fan of another team 2.) The team I am a fan of was fortunate enough to beat your favorite team in the Title game.

 

[ACamp1900]

mgriff's sig makes me giggle... off topic- but why do images of people busting themselves tend to be so damn funny???

 

[irishpat183]

so, by your logic, next time I pull up on a drug deal, only one of them is doing something illegal? Which one should I arrest?

Different situation.

 

[Booslum31]

Just thinking when you see someone do something wrong/stupid...there are probably (10)wrong/stupid things that you don't see. Maybe the kid will learn from the back-lash...I'd like to think so anyways.

 

[RammerJammer91]

I can't stand kids who make the foolish decision to take pictures of stuff like this. Obviously, I hope it wasn't a booster that gave him the money, or anything that could hurt the team, when other players have done things the right way (if in fact the money was received in a way that violates NCAA rules). If it was, I HOPE Bama gets punished. Don't care that it's my favorite team. I'm absolutely sick of this crap going on not just in CFB, but all of college athletics. Could be anything, though. As said early, anyone who says they know for certain how he got the money he is holding in his hands in this picture is a liar. I hope we get an answer for this, although there's a chance that we won't.

 

[ulukinatme]

What have I done? What I posted was a fact. Take off the ND goggles and be objective as opposed to making false claims just because I'm a fan of another team. I suspect you're just upset that 1.) I'm a fan of another team 2.) The team I am a fan of was fortunate enough to beat your favorite team in the Title game.

I'm going to play devil's advocate and refute your points #1 and #2. Up to this point T-Town has been pretty awesome since he joined. Generally nobody gets upset when he posts just because he's a Bama fan.

 

[dublinirish]

I hope it wasn't a booster that gave him the money.

maybe it was the tooth fairy

 

[woolybug25]

What have I done? What I posted was a fact. Take off the ND goggles and be objective as opposed to making false claims just because I'm a fan of another team. I suspect you're just upset that 1.) I'm a fan of another team 2.) The team I am a fan of was fortunate enough to beat your favorite team in the Title game.

Bite me, mouthbreather.

I didn't say anything about you being a fan of another team or anything about the title game. I pointed out that you must be completely delusional if you think kids pick Bama because it "challenges them academically". Give us a break and take that garbage back to one of your crappy SEC forums. No one is buying that garbage here.

You may have beat us on the field, but your program is the epitome of whats wrong with college football, and you are whats wrong with SEC fans. Completely oblivious of what is really going on in college footbaw.

 

[RammerJammer91]

Bite me, mouthbreather.

I didn't say anything about you being a fan of another team or anything about the title game. I pointed out that you must be completely delusional if you think kids pick Bama because it "challenges them academically". Give us a break and take that garbage back to one of your crappy SEC forums. No one is buying that garbage here.

You may have beat us on the field, but your program is the epitome of whats wrong with college football, and you are whats wrong with SEC fans. Completely oblivious of what is really going on in college footbaw.

What I posted was said on radio by not 1, not 2, not 3, but 4 different people who cover football recruiting to some degree. As said earlier, that radio station has at least 3-4 recruiting analysts on each week. These folks generally know what they're talking about and have contact (sit-down interviews, phone, etc.) with a lot of recruits. Why would these people feel the need to lie on the radio?

Really mature with the "bite me" comment. I take it that's code for "I have nothing better to say, so screw you!"

I'll bold and underline key parts of my response, since you apparently have difficulty comprehending what I write.

"and you are whats wrong with SEC fans"

What have I done that makes me "so wrong", or such an abomination to SEC fans? Have I made fun of ND fans? No. Have I made fun of the program, by using inappropriate language or belittling them? No. Have I spewed garbage about how "the SEC is the greatest thing ever"? No. I made a post with facts, that people went on the record with on the radio, while you, on the other hand, LIE and/or unknowingly make false claims about stuff that I said. Try being objective, man. I'm not here to gloat or make fun of ND or any of that. I posted a fact. And, actually, I agreed with the poster I replied to, regarding the context of the picture. I was just giving some FACTUAL information.

As for Bama, the school, obviously it's not an elite academic institution. But, it is a quality school with some really, really good programs and professors with some great ties with companies that have the ability to get students foots in doors to be successful upon graduation.

 

[Rack Em]

Bite me, mouthbreather.

I didn't say anything about you being a fan of another team or anything about the title game. I pointed out that you must be completely delusional if you think kids pick Bama because it "challenges them academically". Give us a break and take that garbage back to one of your crappy SEC forums. No one is buying that garbage here.

You may have beat us on the field, but your program is the epitome of whats wrong with college football, and you are whats wrong with SEC fans. Completely oblivious of what is really going on in college footbaw.

Footbawwwwww

 

[woolybug25]

What I posted was said on radio by not 1, not 2, not 3, but 4 different people who cover football recruiting to some degree. As said earlier, that radio station has at least 3-4 recruiting analysts on each week. These folks generally know what they're talking about and have contact (sit-down interviews, phone, etc.) with a lot of recruits. Why would these people feel the need to lie on the radio?

Really mature with the "bite me" comment. I take it that's code for "I have nothing better to say, so screw you!"

"and you are whats wrong with SEC fans"

What have I done that makes me "so wrong", or such an abomination to SEC fans? I made a post with facts, that people went on the record with on the radio, while you, on the other hand, LIE and/or unknowingly make false claims about stuff that I said. Try being objective, man. I'm not here to gloat or make fun of ND or any of that. I posted a fact. And, actually, I agreed with the poster I replied to, regarding the context of the picture. I was just giving some FACTUAL information.

As for Bama, the school, obviously it's not an elite academic institution. But, it is a quality school with some really, really good programs and professors with some great ties with companies that have the ability to get students foots in doors to be successful upon graduation.

If I didn't have anything to say after, "bite me", then I wouldn't have said anything further. But alas... I did.

I don't care what some radio show host in the south try feeding niave SEC fans like you and never questioned whether these shock jocks claimed that education was key. What I did say is that you are niave for believing it. Bama is not a destination that kids end up at if they take academics seriously. Even if they want to mix academics with great football, there are a ton of schools that offer both. Alabama isn't one of them. If you believe that to be different, then you are a fool.

 

[RammerJammer91]

Ah, forgot this gem: "(you are) Completely oblivious of what is really going on in college footbaw."

I said if Bama did anything wrong, they should be punished. But, you, sir, are a LIAR if you think you know with 100% certainty what is going on at Bama, or any other college football program. You don't know how Liner got that money he was holding in his hands. Neither do I. Therefore, it would be a bit foolish to declare, or make a judgement of how he got that money or anything like that, if, in fact, the part of your post that I put in bold above partially refers to this thread.

So, am I "oblivious" if I say Bama SHOULD be punished? Or am I "oblivious" if I hope that they will be punished, if in fact the money he received violated NCAA rules? As I said, I'm sick of stuff like this going on in college athletics. Even if players who have taken pictures with money either: A.) received it in a way that doesn't violate NCAA rules. Or B.) Is just being an idiot and taking a picture with money that they don't even possess. For what reason? Who the heck knows.

Be objective, read through my posts.

 

[irishog77]

I can't stand kids who make the foolish decision to take pictures of stuff like this. Obviously, I hope it wasn't a booster that gave him the money, or anything that could hurt the team, when other players have done things the right way (if in fact the money was received in a way that violates NCAA rules). If it was, I HOPE Bama gets punished. Don't care that it's my favorite team. I'm absolutely sick of this crap going on not just in CFB, but all of college athletics. Could be anything, though. As said early, anyone who says they know for certain how he got the money he is holding in his hands in this picture is a liar. I hope we get an answer for this, although there's a chance that we won't.

I know. All those college water polo players, bowlers, and now chainsaw/axemen athletes are getting WAY too much cash under the table.

 

[woolybug25]

Ah, forgot this gem: "(you are) Completely oblivious of what is really going on in college footbaw."

I said if Bama did anything wrong, they should be punished. But, you, sir, are a LIAR if you think you know with 100% certainty what is going on at Bama, or any other college football program. You don't know how Liner got that money he was holding in his hands. Neither do I. Therefore, it would be a bit foolish to declare, or make a judgement of how he got that money or anything like that, if, in fact, the part of your post that I put in bold above partially refers to this thread.

So, am I "oblivious" if I say Bama SHOULD be punished? Or am I "oblivious" if I hope that they will be punished, if in fact the money he received violated NCAA rules? As I said, I'm sick of stuff like this going on in college athletics. Even if players who have taken pictures with money either: A.) received it in a way that doesn't violate NCAA rules. Or B.) Is just being an idiot and taking a picture with money that they don't even possess. For what reason? Who the heck knows.

Be objective, read through my posts.

What in the hell are you talking about? I never brought up anything about the money. You just brought that up because you know you sound ridiculous with your "challenged academically" BS. Quit putting words in my mouth. But that is what typical SEC fans do when they are challenged about the discraceful way they run their program. They ignore it and quickly change the subject.

 

[ulukinatme]

As for Bama, the school, obviously it's not an elite academic institution. But, it is a quality school with some really, really good programs and professors with some great ties with companies that have the ability to get students foots in doors to be successful upon graduation.

I've got nothing against Bama as an academic institution. Plenty of students can attend the university and achieve a quality education. That doesn't necessarily apply to football however. Lets be honest here...Liner is most likely going to Alabama because it's a football factory. Until recent years Alabama was graduating below 50% of their football players, and right now they're averaging mid 60s. Thats not a place where you necessarily go to reach full academic potential. Not saying it can't be done, but theres not a great track record there. You occasionally have your Barrett Jones's, but I don't think Liner is in the same company there.

 

[RammerJammer91]

If I didn't have anything to say after, "bite me", then I wouldn't have said anything further. But alas... I did.

I don't care what some radio show host in the south try feeding niave SEC fans like you and never questioned whether these shock jocks claimed that education was key. What I did say is that you are niave for believing it. Bama is not a destination that kids end up at if they take academics seriously. Even if they want to mix academics with great football, there are a ton of schools that offer both. Alabama isn't one of them. If you believe that to be different, then you are a fool.

Ahh, how is this for "ignoring it"?

Believe it or not, there are kids at virtually every school that go to that school because they believe it can help them go to the next level for football. Numerous recruiting analysts have gone on the record saying so several times. ND is not an exception to that. Nd has had recruits that chose the school, both past and present, because they believed that it was their best opportunity to succeed and go to the next level (NFL), although it happens less frequently at ND than at other places (SEC schools, Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Florida State, Virginia Tech, etc.). It's unfortunate, especially since such a small percentage of scholarship players actually pan out in college, much less make it to the NFL. But I can tell you, that not every Bama player feels that way. There are some that choose Bama because the school will help them succeed not only athletically, but academically as well. I've had classes with numerous Alabama football players, past and present, and have met/become friends with quite a few through those classes, or from mutual friends. I've also worked with a few of them in group projects/in-class/homework assignments. I'll try not to be boring, but I'll give examples, from both my personal experience, through friends of mine, and praise received from members of the coaching staffs regarding academics. And not with walk-ons, but with quality players that are on scholarship.

Cyrus Jones (Freshman in '12-'13)-He is very good friends with my girlfriend's younger sister and I had the good fortune to get to know him a little bit. He's a good student and he wants to play in the NFL, but getting a degree is VERY important to him and his family. He went to a High School that had a very good academic pedigree, and he takes classes very seriously. He went on record a few times saying he wants to go to a school where he will get a quality education. He's a great kid, too.

Anthony Steen (Junior in '12-'13)-He's done well academically, and I worked with him, in addition to others, in a group project for a class that we had together. He would go from mornings working out, to class, to practice, to tutoring, and then to meeting up with our group several times to ensure that our project would receive the highest mark possible. He went above and beyond putting his fair share of work into the group project.

Dont'A Hightower (Bama player 2008-2011)-A big reason why he chose to come back for the 2011 season was so he could get his degree.

Dre Kirkpatrick (Bama player 2009-2011)-Although he left for the NFL a year early, and really wanted to play in the NFL for a long time, he was a very good student, and Saban, and his teammates praised him for that numerous times. Now, he's made some not-so-smart off-the-field decisions since he left Bama, but he did well in the classroom at Bama and took advantage of the academic opportunities that were available to him.

Barrett Jones-Not much needs to be said. He polished off a 4.0 in Accounting in just 3 years. His two brothers are also excellent students, and they put a big emphasis on academics. He would not have gone to Bama if he believed that he wouldn't get a good education that would set him up for a great future in case football didn't work out. Nor would his brothers have elected to come to Bama if they didn't believe that they wouldn't receive an education that would allow them to succeed after graduation.

Vinnie Sunseri (Sophomore in '12-'13)-He's done some work with some friends of mine in their classes for homework/projects. He does well academically and his family values education.

C.J. Mosley (Junior in '12-'13)-He didn't even consider the NFL, despite likely going in the first or second round. He tweeted that he wanted to stay and get a degree, and that he couldn't wait to cross the stage with his diploma in hand. He also went on Jox 94.5 in Birmingham and said that "I wasn't leaving until I got my degree."

Some others: Kellen Williams, Arie & Cyrus Kouandjio (family puts a strong emphasis on education), Ryan Kelly, Austin Shepherd, John Fulton, A.J. McCarron, Geno Smith.

 

[tussin]

Ahh, how is this for "ignoring it"?

Believe it or not, there are kids at virtually every school that go to that school because they believe it can help them go to the next level for football. Numerous recruiting analysts have gone on the record saying so several times. ND is not an exception to that. Nd has had recruits that chose the school, both past and present, because they believed that it was their best opportunity to succeed and go to the next level (NFL), although it happens less frequently at ND than at other places (SEC schools, Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Florida State, Virginia Tech, etc.). It's unfortunate, especially since such a small percentage of scholarship players actually pan out in college, much less make it to the NFL. But I can tell you, that not every Bama player feels that way. There are some that choose Bama because the school will help them succeed not only athletically, but academically as well. I've had classes with numerous Alabama football players, past and present, and have met/become friends with quite a few through those classes, or from mutual friends. I've also worked with a few of them in group projects/in-class/homework assignments. I'll try not to be boring, but I'll give examples, from both my personal experience, through friends of mine, and praise received from members of the coaching staffs regarding academics. And not with walk-ons, but with quality players that are on scholarship.

Cyrus Jones (Freshman in '12-'13)-He is very good friends with my girlfriend's younger sister and I had the good fortune to get to know him a little bit. He's a good student and he wants to play in the NFL, but getting a degree is VERY important to him and his family. He went to a High School that had a very good academic pedigree, and he takes classes very seriously. He went on record a few times saying he wants to go to a school where he will get a quality education. He's a great kid, too.

Anthony Steen (Junior in '12-'13)-He's done well academically, and I worked with him, in addition to others, in a group project for a class that we had together. He would go from mornings working out, to class, to practice, to tutoring, and then to meeting up with our group several times to ensure that our project would receive the highest mark possible. He went above and beyond putting his fair share of work into the group project.

Dont'A Hightower (Bama player 2008-2011)-A big reason why he chose to come back for the 2011 season was so he could get his degree.

Dre Kirkpatrick (Bama player 2009-2011)-Although he left for the NFL a year early, and really wanted to play in the NFL for a long time, he was a very good student, and Saban, and his teammates praised him for that numerous times. Now, he's made some not-so-smart off-the-field decisions since he left Bama, but he did well in the classroom at Bama and took advantage of the academic opportunities that were available to him.

Barrett Jones-Not much needs to be said. He polished off a 4.0 in Accounting in just 3 years. His two brothers are also excellent students, and they put a big emphasis on academics. He would not have gone to Bama if he believed that he wouldn't get a good education that would set him up for a great future in case football didn't work out. Nor would his brothers have elected to come to Bama if they didn't believe that they wouldn't receive an education that would allow them to succeed after graduation.

Vinnie Sunseri (Sophomore in '12-'13)-He's done some work with some friends of mine in their classes for homework/projects. He does well academically and his family values education.

C.J. Mosley (Junior in '12-'13)-He didn't even consider the NFL, despite likely going in the first or second round. He tweeted that he wanted to stay and get a degree, and that he couldn't wait to cross the stage with his diploma in hand. He also went on Jox 94.5 in Birmingham and said that "I wasn't leaving until I got my degree."

Some others: Kellen Williams, Arie & Cyrus Kouandjio (family puts a strong emphasis on education), Ryan Kelly, Austin Shepherd, John Fulton, A.J. McCarron, Geno Smith.

That's 7 players in ~5 years. You sir, are a moron.

 

[tussin]

You can't actually think that academics are a factor in recruits going to Bama. You really can't be that stupid.

 

[irishog77]

It's comical how you lie about something that I said.

I suggest you read this again.

But I can tell you, that not every Bama player feels that way. There are some that choose Bama because the school will help them succeed not only athletically, but academically as well.

"There are some." Didn't say all of them valued education or chose Bama because of the academic opportunities that the institution presents. So your "academic prowess" comment doesn't match with what I said.

Some people honeymoon in Siberia because of the weather and scenery. Doesn't mean it still isn't a cold, frigid, wasteland.

 

[RammerJammer91]

You can't actually think that academics are a factor in recruits going to Bama. You really can't be that stupid.

So are Barrett Jones and Cyrus Jones stupid?