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Hendrix looked terrible and I hope like hell that TR is back this week to pay or the irish are probably screwed. Never thought I would say "Please let Tommy Reese be healthy and play!"

My question to the you guys is why does BK totally change the offense when hendrix comes in. I mean they went from typical pro style with TR and then all of sudden went to read option with tight splits and tried to run it like he was cam newton. How many reps in practice does hendrix get running the read option? Seriously, im confused on how you just completely change your offense when a backup comes in.
 

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Sorry guys, no time to read everyone's thoughts.

1. Hendrix looked like a deer in the headlights. I think this was due to the fact this was the first time he played where the game was on his shoulders. Let's hope TR is well enough to play Saturday.

Don't you remember he almost lead ND to victory over Stanford one time?
 
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Hendrix looked terrible and I hope like hell that TR is back this week to pay or the irish are probably screwed. Never thought I would say "Please let Tommy Reese be healthy and play!"

My question to the you guys is why does BK totally change the offense when hendrix comes in. I mean they went from typical pro style with TR and then all of sudden went to read option with tight splits and tried to run it like he was cam newton. How many reps in practice does hendrix get running the read option? Seriously, im confused on how you just completely change your offense when a backup comes in.

Its pretty well understood that there were game-plan determined special packages for Hendrix. They may have been just trying to counter the 10 people in the box since he could not throw accurately at all (game mangement + the Defense was on fire).

Other than that he looked scared and by the deep breathing I was seeing on TV after just handing the ball off, he looked to be suffering from anxiety.

I hope that TR is ok and comes back this week and that MZ does not burn his redshirt.
 

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Score if TR hadn't gotten injured? 21-10? 27-10?
That is the question I wanted to ask. I am sure we would have gotten at least a couple field goals and maybe a TD, but do you think it could have been a blowout, would the D have felt the urgency to turn up the effort? Maybe like OK last year? I feel like we could have finally stomped them in the 2nd half. I think the passing game was in tune and it seemed like the running game was right behind them.

Either way, it was great to see the Defense perform like that and I bet we will see more of this effort going forward. A second confidence boost in back to back games.

Go Irish
 

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Its pretty well understood that there were game-plan determined special packages for Hendrix. They may have been just trying to counter the 10 people in the box since he could not throw accurately at all (game mangement + the Defense was on fire).

Other than that he looked scared and by the deep breathing I was seeing on TV after just handing the ball off, he looked to be suffering from anxiety.

I hope that TR is ok and comes back this week and that MZ does not burn his redshirt.

Yeah 'm sure you have packages for different skill sets, but there was no creativity what so ever. 6 carries for 5 yards, just don't let him run. Give it to the guys who have been running all year. Andrew Hendrix might be slowest option QB in the country, he's not fast, he's big, but doesn't run like it, just not a fan of the packages with Andrew Hendrix as a QB. Obviously, he can't throw the football so he scares the living **** out of me. Please TR suck it up and come back!
 

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36 hours later and I still feel great. I also am starting to think that this may be the kind of win that solidifies a team and is the signature win that carries you through. I base that on

1. Kelly's fire

2. the defense in general, which was spectacular, but also isolated threads of the defense, including: a) Tuitt's inspired play; b) back against the wall spirit; c) Ishaq's play (?) -- don't recall anything in particular, except they held him on two or three key plays, so he must have been hard to handle, and that may be a sign of things to come; d) Joe Schmidt, the sort of small ball story that you build a myth around.

3. Tommy's leadership at halftime, per anecdotes.

Overall, this team had been sleepwalking, maybe having hangover expectations after last year's surprising success. I feel like this was the game where they said, "The past is past; that was then. We need to be our own team, THIS team, not an extension of last year's team. We're pretty good, too, and we can win."

We'll see if I'm just having my own love hangover.
 

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There are so many positives between our D finally looking like 2012, our frosh playing well in the secondary, the WRs winning a ton of 1-on-1 matchups, and the O-line opening up some good holes when Rees was in there and we could run a real offense.

The only negatives I had were:

--We've got to get under center on 4th and goal from the 1. We can't block down on a slow developing run from the Pistol or the Shotgun cause teams are just going to blitz off the edge and blow the play up.

--The playcalling with Hendrix was horrendous. Don't get me wrong, he was terrible, but we didn't give him any easy throws (minus the drop by Niklas) and the run plays (how many times did we motion GA to the backfield and have him run a slow-developing sweep?) we're telegraphed.

Too many positives to even list, so there is no point in dwelling on the negatives. In theory, we should be able to cruise to 9-2, be ranked ~15, and be playing for a BCS game at Stanford. Not too shabby all things considered.
 
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1. Hendrix looked like a deer in the headlights. I think this was due to the fact this was the first time he played where the game was on his shoulders. Let's hope TR is well enough to play Saturday.

I think he was specifically told not to lose the game. Emphatically. That, 3rd and 18, 1st and 20, from the four and from the eleven, in the drizzle on his first four series worked the magic that we saw!

2. I don't know what the changes were at the half, but the defense looked like the D of last year in the second half. Tuitt, Shembo and Nix were great at getting pressure.

Did you notice how much better the defense looked when Nix really got in the ref's ear about the holding, and the refs finally started calling some of it. I can say that there were a number people in our area who were looking and calling it out. Someone (or more than one) legitimately saw a flagrant hold on every play. We laughed because every time they
put Ishaq in because he was so badly held. It got to the point that the tackle would grab him by the outside of the shoulder pads and swing him around! The refs only flagged the last one! Louis one would grab him and the shielded double team blocker would come up under his pads with a head, forearm or fist. I think that is what happened on that play where Lou went down. He broke free and took off, so the timing was off, and instead of a cheap shot to the ribs it became a clip in the tackle box.


3. I still don't know why we don't go under center when running the ball inside the 10 yard line. The pistol takes too long for the RB to get to the hole and the run blitz got us.

First of all we bring motion back to the middle, so we are inviting the cornerbacks in to load the box too, and second, our end cannot block the safety, and that is why Cravens dropped Cam for a loss on that fourth down. Koyack needs to be clear on who he blocks. Period.

4. This team has fight and character.

Amen! And it is adding to that on a weekly basis! Téigh Gaeilge!
 

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Wrong IMO. He's Irish so we should be more respectful to him. At this point he should be better developed and more prepared, so I say coaches need to be held accountable for that. It's not a secret that if Tommy went down, Hendrix was number two. It doesn't appear they've been preparing a plan b and if they have, they suck at preparing plan b's.

Agreed...kid had some ugly throws, but everyone needs to back off a little. Not everyone plays the pinch hit role like Rees....I would argue that is a clear strength of Rees'.

Hendrix can throw it...and before the year is up, he will have some success there...

Kid let the moment be bigger than he...then the coaches reinforced that by shutting him down in the face of 8-9 in the box...he needs to praise the defense, clear his head, forget about this game, and just play....we'll likely need him again, so I'd be less celebratory about being "right" about Rees...and more worried about Hendrix de-funking in a hurry...
 

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Yeah 'm sure you have packages for different skill sets, but there was no creativity what so ever. 6 carries for 5 yards, just don't let him run. Give it to the guys who have been running all year. Andrew Hendrix might be slowest option QB in the country, he's not fast, he's big, but doesn't run like it, just not a fan of the packages with Andrew Hendrix as a QB. Obviously, he can't throw the football so he scares the living **** out of me. Please TR suck it up and come back!

Not to sound like a smart ***, but I think it's obvious why BK changed the package. Hendrix limitations are in the passing game. He throws one five yards short and another three yards short (fairly easy pass play). Kelly didn't want to chance an INT, so he stuck with the run game. The way the D was playing made it an easy decision. I also think if he were a better passer, he would have been seeing the field a lot more this year since he can run and TR can't.
 

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Not to sound like a smart ***, but I think it's obvious why BK changed the package. Hendrix limitations are in the passing game. He throws one five yards short and another three yards short (fairly easy pass play). Kelly didn't want to chance an INT, so he stuck with the run game. The way the D was playing made it an easy decision. I also think if he were a better passer, he would have been seeing the field a lot more this year since he can run and TR can't.

Comparing Hendrix and Rees, in terms of running the football, is akin to comparing William The Refrigerator Perry's 40 time to mine. Hendrix is not "a runner". I don't know whether it was because USC had 9 in the box or not, but Hendrix couldn't run for shyte against USC. But even if he is a decent runner, teams will always be able to put 8 in the box, until he gets over whatever mental block it is, that has him rifling footballs into the dirt in front of receivers.
 

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3 days later and that was still the single greatest half of defense i have ever watched. It doesn't get any better
 

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3 days later and that was still the single greatest half of defense i have ever watched. It doesn't get any better

Yeah those Notre Dame officals sure played excellent defense...

Basic So Cal talking point since the game, I've encountered that numerous times already... there is so much wrong with it that i honestly don't even bother...
 

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Yeah those Notre Dame officals sure played excellent defense...

Basic So Cal talking point since the game, I've encountered that numerous times already... there is so much wrong with it that i honestly don't even bother...

Those were Pac-12 officials, no?
 

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Those were Pac-12 officials, no?

That would be a big part of the "there's so much wrong with it..." comment, the fact that none of the calls were in any kind of dispute would be another...

honestly, I don't even think most SC peps understand/are aware of the concept of conference officials...
 
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That would be a big part of the "there's so much wrong with it..." comment, the fact that none of the calls were in any kind of dispute would be another...

honestly, I don't even think most SC peps understand/are aware of the concept of conference officials...

Actually I ran into a couple that are... but they insist the pac-12 officials/higher-ups have some sort of conspiracy against them...yeah okay.
 

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Full Game Replay via Youtube:

1st Half:

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2nd Half:

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OFD's pburns2010 just published a film breakdown of our hurry-up offense against the Trojans:

Notre Dame came out in an uptempo spread offense to start the game against USC. Among other things, this is something many of us here at OFD have been clamoring for, well, since Brian Kelly has taken over as head coach. It seemed especially useful when used by an offense that needs to be simpler than usual (given physical limitations). Also for some of us at OFD (mostly yours truly), we believe it is the direction that all college football offenses are going to tend towards, since it provides so many advantages over traditionally-paced (slow) offenses.

The usual types of teams that are running hurry-up-no-huddle (HUNH) offenses have mobile quarterbacks, and are almost exclusively spread teams. There's plenty of positives to running the HUNH: preventing the defense from substituting (taking advantage of matchups), wearing the defense out, catching defenses in bad formations. However, these all pale in comparison to the biggest advantage (in my opinion) of the HUNH offense -- taking away a defense's ability to call complicated coverages/blitzes or make checks at the line of scrimmage.

There are plenty of reasons why the Irish had yet to use the hurry up, but Brian Kelly put them most succinctly in his post game press conference:

"...I thought we got some really good things out of [the tempo]. We had been trying to settle on a few plays that we really felt like Tommy could handle well without putting us in a position where we had to check anything. I didn't want to check anything with him, and I didn't want to be in a position where he had to pull it. And that's not easy."
Ideally, if you are going to run a HUNH offense, you are going to rely on plays that have multiple options: pass plays that have man beating and zone beating concepts to opposite sides of the field, packaged plays that give a run/pass option based on a pre-snap read, and the now ubiquitous spread option packages. If you have a QB who can do all 3, and any combination of the above (see: Marcus Mariota), you'll have a much easier time selecting 4 or 5 packaged plays to run over and over and over until you've broken the game open."

When you are trying to do the same with a QB who can't "pull it" as Coach Kelly puts it, you have to be more selective in your playcalling. The best thing about the spread option (in most cases, specifically the zone read) is that if it's run correctly, the playcall is never wrong. This is essential to the HUNH offense, because it allows the QB to call it and haul it, and simply make the read the defense gives him, with no need to make a check or look back to the sideline for a playcall after lining up (the "meerkat" offense).

If the QB can't be a run threat, but there is a running play called, and the defense stacks the playside of the line - the QB needs to make a check, wasting time and letting the defense potentially get a new call.

Now that you know why the HUNH without a mobile QB is a little more difficult to run, let's take a look at how Brian Kelly and Tom Rees (are we in agreement that he became Tom on Saturday?) did it out of the gate against the Trojans anyway. Let's look at only the "call it and haul it" plays that were called (the first 4 plays of the game), and how each one fits into the modified HUNH approach.

Definitely worth a read.
 

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I was so happy we ran uptempo with Rees, I've always thought that was the best way to use him. But regarding the refs: I watched the game with some SC friends and after every holding call one of them would start b*tching, but then it'd show the replay and show the obvious hold haha. So he'd shut up at first, but then kept whining about them and talking about how the refs were helping us. Then I told him, "you know those are pac-12 refs, right?" He shut up after that.
 

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OFD's pburns2010 just published a film breakdown of our hurry-up offense against the Trojans:
Definitely worth a read.

I can imagine it's quite difficult to build a gameplan for an uptempo offense with Tommy since he can't run. There has to be at least one route that should for sure be open right away or a handoff. But USC's defense, especially their starters, have talent and we sliced through them - until we got to the red zone of course. I truly believe that the uptempo offense is the only way we beat Stanford. We're not going to beat them with a chess match between Rees and the Stanford DC - they have a lot of complex blitzes. We have good receivers and good RBs so if we keep using the uptempo offense and the players get comfortable with it during the weeks leading up to Stanford, we could win out.
 

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<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/tiJhjopSwsM?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Just found this on Watch ND. You can see Fox point to Agholor as he makes his crossing route, and Jaylon just picks it up perfectly. God damn he is good.

Has anyone found a link to the Strong and True from Saturday?
 

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Loved that he played man-to-man within his zone. So many times players feel the need to cover grass when they are playing zone!
 

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I can imagine it's quite difficult to build a gameplan for an uptempo offense with Tommy since he can't run. There has to be at least one route that should for sure be open right away or a handoff. But USC's defense, especially their starters, have talent and we sliced through them - until we got to the red zone of course. I truly believe that the uptempo offense is the only way we beat Stanford. We're not going to beat them with a chess match between Rees and the Stanford DC - they have a lot of complex blitzes. We have good receivers and good RBs so if we keep using the uptempo offense and the players get comfortable with it during the weeks leading up to Stanford, we could win out.

Our only problem on that first drive was we ran out of the pistol. We had similar problems last year and they finally went under the center when we were inside the ten and things clicked.
 

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<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/tiJhjopSwsM?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Just found this on Watch ND. You can see Fox point to Agholor as he makes his crossing route, and Jaylon just picks it up perfectly. God damn he is good.

Has anyone found a link to the Strong and True from Saturday?



Is that the best defensive athleticism I've seen ND with in... I don't even know how long?

I don't think I've ever seen someone break like that, and get in the perfect position, and make the play, for ND.

That was insane. Perhaps it's just just too soon after beating USC, and I think everything is the greatest thing in the world.... but damn.
 

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Is that the best defensive athleticism I've seen ND with in... I don't even know how long?

I don't think I've ever seen someone break like that, and get in the perfect position, and make the play, for ND.

That was insane. Perhaps it's just just too soon after beating USC, and I think everything is the greatest thing in the world.... but damn.

I don't even know how you do that. Hang on the line for, what, 3 seconds to ascertain run or pass and then drop into coverage like a corner on an outside receiver and intercept a ball 18 yards downfield. That's insane.
 

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I don't even know how you do that. Hang on the line for, what, 3 seconds to ascertain run or pass and then drop into coverage like a corner on an outside receiver and intercept a ball 18 yards downfield. That's insane.

It looked to me as if he turned, saw the crossing route, and then ran to a spot on the field. I think that's probably what Diaco is teaching; get to a spot, and then get your head around and find the ball.
 

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That play is incredible for a true freshman to make. To drop back into coverage and find the ball is hard enough to add that he picked it off makes it that much more beautiful
 
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