Post Game Observations Oklahoma State

[Irish2155]

Understood but don’t agree. It’s fucking Okie ST for fuck sake, not Bama

And I think that BK would have figured it out

 

[Irishize]

Okay but you’ve posted multiple places that THIS staff is reaping what they sowed recruiting wise. That’s just not true. That’s the point.

Okay so you’re fine w/ the recruiting efforts of the current class or no? Who on the current staff (sans Freeman) has brought in the solution to today’s problem?
That’s MY point…the coaches knew what they had going into this game. They knew what they had in the Spring. They couldn’t develop anyone better nor could they get anyone in the transfer portal. And in Dec of 2020 they couldn’t sign anyone who could make an instant impact at CB. If they can’t attain better talent or develop them into better talent then that’s on them. OSU & Cincy could only wish to have better recruiting hauls than ND every year yet they seemed to develop better CBs than ND.

 

[Irish2155]

Alright so how would Kelly of made the difference? The offense put up more points and yards on the #2 defense in the country than anyone else. Would Kelly have helped them or helped the D or both? And what would he have done?

Kelly would have had the boys ready to come out at half. Did you not see? X’s and O’s Weren’t the issue. A dead team was

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Understood but don’t agree. It’s fucking Okie ST for fuck sake, not Bama

That defense is better than Bama's! Significantly so, actually. 1.23 v. .94. Fans are popping off without digging into the stats here.

OSU has an average offense and an elite defense. Scoring 35 points there was very impressive. Giving up 600 yards and 30 unanswered points is the embarrassment. This is not the sort of game that Kelly ever won as our HC.

 

[Irish2155]

Y’all are stroking MF too much. It’s the worst half time adjustment I’ve ever seen.

BK wins this game. I’m sticking to it.

 

[chicago51]

Nah if anything we'd of come out flat as a pancake with BK.

The practices and gameplan for this game was better than anything BK ever did for a bowl game.

I guess if BK was still head coach Freeman is more involved defensive, but I'm unsure how much that helps. Unless BK told Marcus Freeman you have to live tackle at least a little in practice during bowl prep. Because that was a mistake.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Just got back from the game. Paid thousands so I and 13 others could attend. These losses are a lot more painful in person.

Have to disagree vehemently with those blaming Rees and Coan for the loss. Okie State's defense is ranked #2 nationally this season, 2nd only to Georgia. It's no surprise that we couldn't run on them. 35 points should have been more than sufficient to beat the Pokes, especially with their pedestrian offense. This loss was 100% on our defense.

Coan was our entire offense. We asked him to throw the ball 68 times (a new Fiesta Bowl record), during which he delivered 5 TDs (which tied the existing record). And he did that without any semblance of a run game to lean on.

Coming into this game, our defense was a top-10 unit. How we gave up 600 yards and 30 unanswered points to the Pokes... I have no idea. I didn't expect their OL to beat our DL, but we were regularly losing those battles. Did we even sack Sanders once? We couldn't pressure him, despite the constant blitzing, and he threw no interceptions.

Gotta think we win this game if: (1) KHam or Kyren plays; or (2) Freeman calls the defense.

Forgot to add... the refs were dogshit. OSU was holding our DL and mugging our WRs on every play, and we got zero calls.

 

[Dale]

ND got almost no holding calls on the opposing OL all year. Borderline bizarre or just every ref is incompetent. Usually you get some flag happy refs that seem to balance it out over the year but we never did it felt like

 

[Irishize]

Forgot to add... the refs were dogshit. OSU was holding our DL and mugging our WRs on every play, and we got zero calls.

“The best teams overcome blown calls”

Rick Mirer

 

[Irish2155]

Nah if anything we'd of come out flat as a pancake with BK.

The practices and gameplan for this game was better than anything BK ever did for a bowl game.

I guess if BK was still head coach Freeman is more involved defensive, but I'm unsure how much that helps. Unless BK told Marcus Freeman you have to live tackle at least a little in practice during bowl prep. Because that was a mistake.

Bull shit. That second half was pancake flat…, when we had the game in hand.

lax and homeboy are lowering the bar.

 

[chicago51]

Is it bad half time adjustments or was it a great initial game plan that once OSU adjusted they were just a better team from an execution standpoint??

Probably a little of both if ask me.

MF, ME, TR could have adjusted better. But the first half was probably due in part to ND staff having a better plan going in.

Nothing is as bad or as good as it seems, typically truth is somewhere in between.

 

[Huntr]

I've seen some takes that this loss is somehow harder to take or to get over than other types.

Nah, this one is easier. They were closer to winning than any time they played Bama/Clemson/tOSU. They didn't get their doors blown off as soon as they stepped off the bus.

They need a few more players. They need to work on some things. Some of their players are pretty young. All of that can be fixed.

Much harder when ND is out-classed at like 18 of 22 positions and it's abundantly clear within 5 minutes that *everything* needs to improve drastically.

 

[ACamp1900]

Idk if Bk would have won but Freeman’s inexperience came into play no doubt,… and yes the halftime adjustments were Gundy pimp slapping Freeman on national television.

 

[Irish2155]

Is it bad half time adjustments or was it a great initial game plan that once OSU adjusted they were just a better team from an execution standpoint??

Probably a little of both if ask me.

MF, ME, TR could have adjusted better. But the first half was probably due in part to ND staff having a better plan going in.

Nothing is as bad or as good as it seems, typically truth is somewhere in between.

It was absolutely the worst In-game adjustments that’s ever been.

 

[AKRowdy]

Kelly would have had the boys ready to come out at half. Did you not see? X’s and O’s Weren’t the issue. A dead team was

Which is what ND was every big game under BK. He never hyped them up always wasting TOs in the opening drive. Go to LSU with BK man. We’re still better off. OSU still beat a talented OU team. Their defense is the real deal and Spencer balled out.

 

[Irish2155]

Idk if Bk would have won but Freeman’s inexperience came into play no doubt,… and yes the halftime adjustments were Gundy pimp slapping Freeman on national television.

You’re the one praying for a game outside the tournament. Just to get some W that no one cares about

 

[T-Boone]

Lorenzo Styles was great.

 

[dad4aa]

I have no clue how anyone can say Coan played a good game. He under threw the deep throws to open WR in the first half and over threw them in the second half. He would throw the ball away when he didn’t have to (although better than taking a sack but he had a little more time to wait and see if a WR broke open). He rarely checked off and stared a WR down like the INT he threw trying to force it in to Austin when he was double covered.

The other thing I have not seen mentioned (although I haven’t read every post) is the ridiculous amount of missed PI calls. Maybe it wasn’t as noticeable on TV but it was very noticeable in the stadium. OSU was hanging on our guys or grabbing and twisting them with their off hand while trying to deflect the ball and nothing gets called. Horrible refs.

 

[chicago51]

It was absolutely the worst In-game adjustments that’s ever been.

Adjustments are important but overrated from the casual fan standpoint.

Practice and your plan going in are much more important.

 

[ACamp1900]

You’re the one praying for a game outside the tournament. Just to get some W that no one cares about

Lol,… no, I didn’t. I said NUMEROUS times give me a playoff shot. You’re just making shit up there. Also, if you still believe the last part then there’s something wrong with you at this point.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Some "fun" facts courtesy of /r/cfb:

• This is the second 12 win season in school history for Oklahoma State. Mike Gundy has been the coach for both.
• Both of the 12th wins have come in the Fiesta Bowl
• This was the largest comeback victory in school history for Oklahoma State (21 points)
• Spencer Sanders rushed for a career-high 125 yards today. It was just his third 100-yard rushing game and the first since September 21, 2019.
• Oklahoma State will finish in the top 10 for the first time since 2011 and the second time since 1984.
• Notre Dame hasn't won a New Year's Six bowl since 1993.
• They're 0-10 in NY6 games in that span. The average margin of loss is 18.5 points.
• Notre Dame led 28-7 with less than a minute left before halftime. Oklahoma State outscored them 30-7 the rest of the game.
• This was the first time these teams have ever played.
• This was the most yardage allowed by Notre Dame since 2006.
• The State of Oklahoma is 3-0 in bowls this year.
• The last two times Notre Dame has allowed 600 yards of offense, it's been against O-State teams (Oklahoma State, Ohio State)

 

[Irish2155]

Adjustments are important but overrated from the casual fan standpoint.

Practice and your plan going in are much more important.

You drunk?

if BK was coaching tonight then we’d be victorious. Why is that so hard for some to concept?

 

[Irish2155]

I hear the blah, blah, blah. But BK wins tonight

 

[MacIrish75]

You drunk?

if BK was coaching tonight then we’d be victorious. Why is that so hard for some to concept?

Yes, just like all those other times in NY6 bowl games that BK willed the team to victory.

 

[NDFAN2008]

I thought the OL played really well in this game giving up 2 sacks with 2 Freshman OL starting against the best sack team in the nation isn't half bad.

 

[AvesEvo]

Has Freeman had a post game press conference yet?

 

[Irishize]

I thought the OL played really well in this game giving up 2 sacks with 2 Freshman OL starting against the best sack team in the nation isn't half bad.

Until Cain Madden allowed that pressure to Coan on 4th down before he bounced it off the receiver’s head.

 

[IrishLax]

Kelly would have had the boys ready to come out at half. Did you not see? X’s and O’s Weren’t the issue. A dead team was

We're not going to see eye to eye on this. I don't think the issue was having people "ready to play," per se. They were clearly ready to play to start the game, and one of the complaints about Kelly teams has always been slow starting.

Being "ready to play" coming out of half is about adjustments not emotion/energy. What adjustments was Kelly going to hypothetically make? The offense was crushing them, you're not going to change anything there. Defense was doing OK besides that drive before halftime.

Kelly wasn't going to magically make our three ILBs become athletic. He wasn't going to make Hamilton un-declare. He wasn't going to do something about Clarence Lewis. I think the biggest issue was that with Freeman not coaching the defense is that Elston was unprepared to do something to counteract their QB run game or bench Clarence Lewis. It's clear to me -- with the power of hindsight -- that ND's only chance to win that game was to get the ILBs off the field and get as much speed out there as possible. And maybe bench Lewis for Bracy at corner. I don't see how Kelly helps with any of that. The issue wasn't preparedness/mental errors/lack of discipline/etc. It was a handful of really bad, really slow defenders getting picked on.

 

[BoredIrish]

The good:
1) Oline improvements were real. Most of the mistakes made were by Madden and not the kids that will be coming back. Respect to Lugg for being an ND man, but Fisher did way better than Lugg would have.

The Bad:
1) The secondary just doesnt have enough talent. Not even close.
2) The linebackers just dont have enough talent. Thankfully, hopefully Kollie gets in the mix next year and the freshman will be studs.

The Ugly:
1) ND fans this off-season pretending like help is coming through the portal.

 

[IrishLax]

"Most yardage allowed by Notre Dame since 2006" and people are trying to blame Rees.