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God bless Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Who would have thought 20+ years since it's launch that South Park is on point more than a woke athlete. As controversial as they are, they've been fairly good about calling it down the middle regardless of political affiliation or otherwise. Now South Park episodes have been banned in China. What a bunch of babies!

It may not be the most fashionable opinion, but to an extent, I respect China's willingness to censor certain forms of media or entertainment. I think an argument can be made that they take it too far. Then again, so called adult cartoons strike me as inherently subversive b/c the content is obviously going to be consumed by non-adults.

Take this show for instance:

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Americans place a high value on "free speech" and perhaps we mistakenly believe everyone else does the same, and that's simply not true. It's easy to criticize the Chinese for not valuing free speech or suppressing media content. However, it's a bit more difficult to balance the value of free speech as it applies to media content like the quasi pedo filth above. Is this the type of thing we should be compelled to protect?

I'm not a proponent of a total and complete shut down of media and the concept of free speech. I'm just not so quick to reflexively defend and protect all forms of speech without considering other factors, and I understand that's a delicate and difficult balancing act. Perhaps its best to let the Chinese worry about China and instead consider the extent to which American media contributes to the obvious moral decay in our own country, and whether or not it's in our best interest to defend Hollywood's so called right to peddle filth to our children.
 

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Our accepting and tolerant left...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The left blames incivility on <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@realDonaldTrump</a>. Watch this video and decide who the rude ones are... <a href="https://t.co/qtEx0wLH2A">https://t.co/qtEx0wLH2A</a></p>— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1185343347117834240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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It may not be the most fashionable opinion, but to an extent, I respect China's willingness to censor certain forms of media or entertainment. I think an argument can be made that they take it too far. Then again, so called adult cartoons strike me as inherently subversive b/c the content is obviously going to be consumed by non-adults.

Take this show for instance:

Americans place a high value on "free speech" and perhaps we mistakenly believe everyone else does the same, and that's simply not true. It's easy to criticize the Chinese for not valuing free speech or suppressing media content. However, it's a bit more difficult to balance the value of free speech as it applies to media content like the quasi pedo filth above. Is this the type of thing we should be compelled to protect?

I'm not a proponent of a total and complete shut down of media and the concept of free speech. I'm just not so quick to reflexively defend and protect all forms of speech without considering other factors, and I understand that's a delicate and difficult balancing act. Perhaps its best to let the Chinese worry about China and instead consider the extent to which American media contributes to the obvious moral decay in our own country, and whether or not it's in our best interest to defend Hollywood's so called right to peddle filth to our children.

I agree with some of what you're saying to an extent, but China obviously takes it too far as you alluded to. Would I want my children to watch that show? Of course not, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed to air....in limited consumption. Shows like this often come around and end up with a limited life cycle because they only appeal to niche crowds, so it'll run it's course and get cancelled once the appeal is lost. On another note, if it's on Netflix at least I can control that. I don't have Netflix anymore, but I assume I could always lock said show from my kid's eyes or cancel Netflix all together. It's not on network TV or even cable, so it's up to the parents to monitor what their children are viewing.

That said, China obviously isn't just squelching risque programming, they're squashing anything that questions their motives or absolute rule. There's a total absence of free speech, and that's certainly not the way to go. I would rather have the freedom to watch whatever I want, along with the power to limit what my children have access to, as oppose to being limited to only what my government says is cool. I mean, if we were only allowed to watch what Trump thought is cool, we'd only get reruns of the Apprentice to watch!
 

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You guys seen the latest demonstration of ethics from California?

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That's Rep. Katie Hill (D-CA) and her staffer that she is denying having a sexual relationship with. She is the woman who now has her private life of illegal drugs, a 'throuple' affair, inappropriate relationships with staffers, questionable perks for her ex-husband, and disturbing text messages all surfacing online. She's also Vice-Chair of the House Oversight Committee. I hope she enjoys her inquiry.

Apparently, she forgot to pull her nudes off the internet before running for office. Whoops.

I feel like this would be a way bigger deal if it were a guy and a republican.

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Typical Dem hypocrisy, typical left coast. Not even on MSNBC or CNN's front page. They've got it on lock just like VA politicians lol.

You guys seen the latest demonstration of ethics from California?

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That's Rep. Katie Hill (D-CA) and her staffer that she is denying having a sexual relationship with. She is the woman who now has her private life of illegal drugs, a 'throuple' affair, inappropriate relationships with staffers, questionable perks for her ex-husband, and disturbing text messages all surfacing online. She's also Vice-Chair of the House Oversight Committee. I hope she enjoys her inquiry.

Apparently, she forgot to pull her nudes off the internet before running for office. Whoops.

I feel like this would be a way bigger deal if it were a guy and a republican.

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And AOC Wants To Shut ICE Down. Here's how her city handles homeless.

And AOC Wants To Shut ICE Down. Here's how her city handles homeless.

Ship 'em to another state (but don't tell the other states).


NYC secretly exports homeless to Hawaii and other states without telling receiving pols
By Sara DornOctober 26, 2019 | 5:55pm | Updated

NYC homeless initiative sends people across the US — without telling receiving cities
Families, who once lived in NYC shelters, were sent to 32 states and Puerto


New York City generously shares its homeless crisis with every corner of America.

From the tropical shores of Honolulu and Puerto Rico, to the badlands of Utah and backwaters of Louisiana, the Big Apple has sent local homeless families to 373 cities across the country with a full year of rent in their pockets as part of Mayor Bill de Blasio’s “Special One-Time Assistance Program.” Usually, the receiving city knows nothing about it.

City taxpayers have spent $89 million on rent alone since the program’s August 2017 inception to export 5,074 homeless families — 12,482 individuals — to places as close as Newark and as far as the South Pacific, according to Department of Homeless Services data obtained by The Post. Families, who once lived in city shelters, decamped to 32 states and Puerto Rico.

The city also paid travel expenses, through a separate taxpayer-funded program called Project Reconnect, but would not divulge how much it spent. A Friday flight to Honolulu for four people would cost about $1,400. A bus ticket to Salt Lake City, Utah, for the same family would cost $800.

Add to the tab the cost of furnishings, which the city also did not disclose. One SOTA recipient said she received $1,000 for them.

DHS defends the stratospheric costs, saying it actually saves the city on shelter funding — which amounts to about $41,000 annually per family, as compared to the average yearly rent of $17,563 to house families elsewhere.

But critics says the “stop-gap solution” has been wrought with problems, and ultimately has failed to help curb the city’s homelessness.

Not only are officials in towns where the city’s homeless land up in arms, but hundreds of the homeless families are returning to the five boroughs — and some are even suing NYC over being abandoned in barely livable conditions. Multiple outside agencies and organizations have opened investigations into SOTA.

“We were initially seeing a lot of complaints about conditions. Now that the program has been in operation long enough that the SOTA subsidy is expiring, one of our main concerns is it might not be realistic for people to be entirely self-sufficient after that first year,” said Jacquelyn Simone, policy analyst at Coalition for the Homeless.

DHS said 224 SOTA families have ended up back in New York City shelters. The agency did not answer The Post’s repeated requests for the number of families who wind up in out-of-town shelters.

We suggested that DHS reach out to people as their subsidy runs out to confirm they will be secure and not have to re-enter shelter, but the agency told us they have no plans to do that,” said Legal Aid lawyer Joshua Goldfein, whose firm represents SOTA families who say the city pressured them to move into New Jersey slums, then ignored calls for help.

About 56% of the families move out-of-state, costing the city an average of $15,600 in annual rent. Thirty-five percent move within city limits with an average rent of $20,500, and 9% move elsewhere in New York state, costing approximately $17,900.

Homeless individuals and families are eligible for SOTA if they can prove that they have been in a New York City shelter for at least 90 days and that their household income is no more than twice what it owes in rent. DHS would not expand on eligibility rules.

The agency’s website provides vague descriptions of the income and shelter-stay requirements.

DHS said its reps work with landlords in cities where families want to move to find housing. At least two SOTA families told The Post DHS pre-selected New Jersey apartments for them to view during a “van run,” then insisted they quickly sign leases.

Some pols in towns taking in NYC refugees were shocked by the news.

“So in other words if someone is in a shelter y’all will give them money to go somewhere else if they have been there for 90 days? And some of those people have been sent to Metairie?” said Michael Yenni, president of Jefferson Parish, Louisiana, when The Post told him the community is among the SOTA destinations.

“I’m not in Mayor Bill de Blasio’s shoes. I don’t sit behind his desk, and I never will, but it’s certainly interesting. You have shocked me down here in beautiful Southeast Louisiana.”

The mayor of Willacoochee, Georgia, was similarly stunned. “I’m not familiar with none of that,” Samuel Newson said.

The mayor of Harrisville, Utah — who was so baffled to receive a call from The Post that she questioned if the reporter had the wrong number — asked if SOTA recipients are connected to social services in the towns where they move.

“Are they just cutting them loose and saying, ‘Here you go?’ Or are they making sure they don’t find themselves in the same situation a year later?” Michelle Tait asked.

Pols in New Jersey, where 2,226 SOTA families have moved, say the answer to Tait’s latter question is “No.”


Mayor Tony Vauss of Irvington, the destination for 278 SOTA families, said he is “highly disturbed by the lack of communication from New York City and the lack of oversight of this program by the city.

“SOTA recipients are the population of citizens who require ongoing social services and resources … Therefore, once SOTA ceases funding, program recipients end up using our state and local resources to maintain themselves.”

Some SOTA recipients have also attacked the program.

Sade Collington, her husband and two children, moved back into a Bronx shelter after relocating to an East Orange, New Jersey, apartment that had no water, heat or electricity.

“It was completely unlivable. We could not stay there any longer. We went to a shelter for another six months,” she said.

Collington has filed a notice of claim against the city indicating she plans to sue over the ordeal.

Her story was featured among several other SOTA families’ in a CBS 2 special highlighting the decrepit conditions they were housed in — and how their concerns fell on deaf ears at DHS.

In Newark, home to 1,198 SOTA families, the city is “in the process of passing an ordinance to ban New York from sending us SOTA clients,” said city spokesman Mark Di Ionno.

New York City’s Department of Investigation also opened a probe and found “several vulnerabilities in the program,” including “an inability to hold participating landlords and real estate brokers accountable,” DOI spokeswoman Diane Struzzi said.

The State Senate has an ongoing, separate SOTA investigation.

DHS spokesman Isaac McGinn said the city “remains committed to using every tool at our disposal to help these families and individuals find stability in the ways that work for them.

“Any American, including any New Yorker experiencing homelessness, has the right to seek housing where they can afford it and employment where they can find it.”


There's a map at the link so you can see how many de Blasio sent to your state.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/26/nyc-homeless-initiative-sends-people-across-us-without-telling-receiving-cities/
 

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U.S. Rep. Katie Hill Resigns From Congress Amid Ethics Probe
POSTED 4:12 PM, OCTOBER 27, 2019, BY CNN WIRE, UPDATED AT 04:42PM, OCTOBER 27, 2019


Democratic Rep. Katie Hill of California on Sunday announced her resignation from Congress days after she admitted to having an inappropriate relationship with a campaign staffer before coming into office.

“It is with a broken heart that today I announce my resignation from Congress,” Hill said in a statement Sunday. “This is the hardest thing I have ever had to do, but I believe it is the best thing for my constituents, my community, and our country.”

News of Hill’s resignation comes after the House Committee on Ethics announced Wednesday it was opening an investigation into allegations Hill engaged in an improper relationship with a congressional staffer in possible violation of House rules.

In a statement to constituents released on Wednesday, Hill admitted to having an inappropriate relationship with a campaign staffer before entering Congress, for which she apologized. The statement came one day after Hill denied having a relationship with Graham Kelly, who currently works as her legislative director, according to Legistorm, a private research organization dedicated to tracking Congress. There is no evidence of that alleged relationship. CNN has reached out to Kelly for comment, but has not heard back.

Earlier this month a conservative blog released intimate photos of Hill, alleging she and her husband had a separate relationship with an unnamed female campaign staffer. That report included three photos of the congresswoman, including an explicit photo. CNN has reached out to Hill’s husband for comment but has not heard back. Hill offered no evidence linking her husband to the distribution of the photos.

Hill said Sunday her resignation “needs to happen so that the good people who supported me will no longer be subjected to the pain inflicted by my abusive husband and the brutality of hateful political operatives who seem to happily provide a platform to a monster who is driving a smear campaign built around cyber exploitation.”

Hill was elected to Congress in the 2018 midterm elections, defeating a Republican incumbent to represent a swing district. She’s the vice chairwoman of the powerful House Oversight Committee.


Rep. Katie Hill

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It is with a broken heart that today I announce my resignation from Congress. This is the hardest thing I have ever had to do, but I believe it is the best thing for my constituents, my community, and our country.

See my official statement below. (N.B. The Statement is at the Link Above)

6:01 PM - Oct 27, 2019
 

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John Conyers, longtime congressman, has died at age 90
BY CAROLINE LINTON UPDATED ON: OCTOBER 27, 2019 / 7:53 PM / CBS NEWS

Long-serving former Democratic Congressman John Conyers Jr., who was a founding member of the Congressional Black Caucus and first introduced Martin Luther King Jr. Day as a holiday, but had to step down in 2017 amid allegations of sexual misconduct, has died. He was 90.

A family spokeswoman confirmed Conyers's death to CBS News, while two other people in touch with his family Sunday said that Conyers died in his sleep at his Detroit home of natural causes.

Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, who was elected to his seat in 2018, called him "our Congressman forever."

"He never once wavered in fighting for jobs, justice and peace," Tlaib tweeted. "We always knew where he stood on issues of equality and civil rights in the fight for the people. Thank you Congressman Conyers for fighting for us for over 50 years."

Born in 1929 in Detroit, Conyers' father served as an international representative for United Auto Workers. Conyers served in the Korean War and returned to receive degrees from Wayne State University. Conyers served as an attorney for Detroit-area labor union chapters and went to work as an aide for longtime Democratic Congressman John Dingell in 1961 before winning his own seat in 1964.

Conyers arrived as a congressman in 1965, at the time one of only six black House member and while Lyndon Johnson was still president. He was a cosponsor of Voting Rights Act of 1965, according to Michigan Live. Upon the Supreme Court's vacating of the Voting Rights Act in 2015, Conyers called it "the first vote of consequence that I took."

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Conyers traveled to Selma and worked with Martin Luther King Jr., who later wrote him a letter thanking him for his work there, according to Michigan Live. "Your very presence there has had an electric effect upon the voteless and beleaguered Negro citizens of this city, county, state and nation," said the letter.

"As a disciple of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., I have always believed that non-violence is the best means to achieving equality," Conyers wrote in a Detroit Free Press op-ed in 2017.

After King was assassinated in 1968, Conyers introduced legislation to make Martin Luther King Jr. Day a federal holiday. He fought that fight for 15 years, reintroducing the bill every session until 1983, when it was signed into law by President Reagan.

Upon taking office, Conyers hired civil rights icon Rosa Parks, who had moved to Detroit several years earlier, to work in his office. She worked for him until she retired in 1988.

Conyers took a public role trying to quell the 1967 Detroit riots, taking a bullhorn to tell residents to go home. But the riots continued, and more than 43 people died and more than 1,000 were wounded. "The city was a powder keg — and at 3 o'clock in the morning on July 23rd, when police broke up a gathering at an after-hours bar on 12th Street with excessive force — they lit the fuse," Conyers wrote on the 50th anniversary of the riots.

Conyers was one of 13 black Representatives to found the Congressional Black Caucus in 1971. President Nixon refused to recognize the group, leading them to boycott the 1971 State of the Union address. Conyers was later discovered to be on Nixon's infamous "Enemies List."

Conyers served on the House Oversight Committee in the 1980s until 1995, when he served on the powerful House Judiciary Committee, becoming a ranking member and then chairman during the Democratic leadership from 2007 to 2011, until his retirement in 2017.

Conyers was caught up in ethical controversies, especially toward the end of his career. There was a problem with his petition signatures that almost kept him off the ballot in 2014, according to the Detroit News. The Ethics Committee investigated him for potential misconduct for a salary paid to former chief of staff, Cynthia Martin, for four months after she left his office.

And then sexual harassment allegations in 2017 shaped his last days in Congress. Conyers maintained his innocence, but later admitted that he paid a settlement to a staffer who accused him of sexual misconduct.

Another former staff member accused Conyers of sexual misconduct and filed a lawsuit, but dropped the suit when the court refused to seal the case. One accuser, Marion Brown, appeared on NBC's "Today" show to claim that Conyers "asked me to sexually satisfy him" in 2015.

Republican former House Speaker Paul Ryan and Democratic leader Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi called the allegations "very credible."

Conyers "shaped some of the most consequential legislation of the last half century," Pelosi said at the time.

"No matter how great the legacy, it is no license to harass or discriminate. In fact, it makes it even more disappointing," Pelosi said.

As the pressure mounted for him to resign, Conyers was hospitalized for a stress-related illness.

"My legacy can't be compromised or diminished in any way by what we're going through now. This too shall pass," said Conyers on a local Michigan radio station when he announced his retirement.
 

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CNN trying to make this a double double standard. Repubs vs. Dems and Men vs. Women. Maybe if the dems weren't so outraged and demand swift justice all the time she would have survived this. The examples they used as unfair are because the voters voted for those people again. I have no problem with her running again, but it all comes back to posting pics on the web. No ones fault but hers.


Washington (CNN)On Sunday, Democratic Rep. Katie Hill of California announced her resignation from Congress -- following recent allegations that she had an improper relationship with a campaign staffer before taking office. (She has denied separate allegations that she had an inappropriate relationship with a congressional staffer.)

"This is the hardest thing I have ever had to do, but I believe it is the best thing for my constituents, my community, and our country," Hill said in a statement. "For the mistakes made along the way and the people who have been hurt, I am so sorry, and I am learning."

There's plenty to parse regarding the news about Hill. But one of the most important elements is this: Forgiveness, when it comes to the messiness of politics, is a privilege not evenly distributed. More specifically, it's disproportionately withheld from women and Democrats.

Former Republican Sen. David Vitter of Louisiana? In 2007, he admitted to having been previously involved in a Washington prostitution ring while in office. In 2010, he was reelected to the Senate.

Republican 2020 presidential candidate Mark Sanford? He completed his second term as the governor of South Carolina after he admitted in 2009 that he'd had a taxpayer-funded affair. In 2013, he once again ran for and won a seat in Congress.

Physician and Republican Rep. Scott DesJarlais of Tennessee? A divorce trial transcript released in 2012 documented that he'd previously had multiple affairs with patients and had pressed one of them to have an abortion. (DesJarlais initially said that the incriminating phone conversation was recorded without his knowledge, though this contradicted the transcript.) He remains in Congress.

Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter of California? In June of this year, a court filing alleged that, over years, he'd used campaign funds for extramarital affairs with lobbyists and congressional staffers. (In court, Duncan has pleaded not guilty to these charges.) He, too, is still in office.

And this is to say nothing of President Donald Trump, who has remained unscathed by the allegations that more than a dozen women have publicly leveled against him, ranging from unwelcome advances to sexual harassment and assault. (The President has repeatedly denied all such allegations.)


Even Democrat Al Franken, who resigned from his Senate seat in 2018 following allegations that he had touched women inappropriately, is attempting a bit of a comeback, having headlined Politicon last weekend.

Put another way, men, particularly those of certain political persuasions, are given redemption arcs, while women who dare to challenge norms -- such as Sandra Fluke, who in 2012 was slut-shamed after she testified before Congress in an effort to persuade Georgetown University to include birth control in its health care coverage -- are expected to buckle to biases and, ultimately, bow out. In addition to double standards -- and the fact that Democrats, at least in the post-Bill Clinton era, seem willing to hold their own accountable to a degree Republicans aren't -- there's something else that shouldn't be overlooked in the Katie Hill debacle: that she also appears to be the victim of revenge porn (which is illegal in both the District of Columbia and California).

Over the past week, a conservative blog and a British tabloid magazine have disseminated intimate photos of Hill, claiming that she and her husband of nine years, Kenny Heslep, had a separate relationship with a female campaign staffer.

In this light, this isn't merely a story of dueling responses to sexual misbehavior -- it's also a story of a foul assault on a woman's privacy. In a video statement on Monday, Hill alleges that her "abusive husband," whom she's in the midst of divorce proceedings with, and "hateful political operatives" are attempting to humiliate her via the photos. (CNN has reached out to Heslep for comment but has not heard back.)

But there's a twist: Hill is fighting back. In the aftermath of the publication of the photos, she's pursuing legal action against outlets that have shared the photos. "I'm hurt. I'm angry. The path that I saw so clearly for myself is no longer there," Hill says in the Monday video. "I never claimed to be perfect. But I never thought my imperfections would be weaponized and used to try to destroy me and the community I've loved for my entire life."

As visible as the theme of impunity for male misbehavior has become in the past couple years, so, too, has the power of women's anger at the world's many gendered injustices. This rage is no longer a cause for shame but rather a cause for its own weaponization.

"To every girl and woman -- to everyone who believes in this fight -- this isn't over," Hill tweeted on Sunday. There's every reason to believe that she's right.
 
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SIAP but... Who the hell was just sitting around taking these pictures?? lol
 

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Yep...next thing you know we’ll be electing a failed business man/reality show host with a spray tan and a bad comb over president...

Then he'll take a stagnant economy, pass business friendly policies, stock market will show record breaking results, unemployment will be the lowest it's been in decades, US manufacturing will be on the rise, and we'll have more jobs open than we do people to fill them. All that without needing an $800 billion dollar "stimulus plan."

Sounds pretty shitty.
 

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Then he'll take a stagnant economy, pass business friendly policies, stock market will show record breaking results, unemployment will be the lowest it's been in decades, US manufacturing will be on the rise, and we'll have more jobs open than we do people to fill them. All that without needing an $800 billion dollar "stimulus plan."

Sounds pretty shitty.

I'd much rather have a career politician who promises everything, delivers nothing, pads the pockets of the lobby, and continues the status quo. The economy and employment rate aren't really that important.
 

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Yep...next thing you know we’ll be electing a failed business man/reality show host with a spray tan and a bad comb over president...

Well he couldn't be any worse than electing a community organizer from the worst big league city in the United States...just sayin.
 

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Well he couldn't be any worse than electing a community organizer from the worst big league city in the United States...just sayin.

Right.

Which just proves that there is no “progressive/liberal” movement of any significance in the US that you’re always squaking about. It’s either milk toast, mainstream, neoliberal, Republican crap like Obama was serving up or completely off the rails White National Trumptardism.

Ain’t we luck we got em...good times! Lol.
 
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Then he'll take a stagnant economy, pass business friendly policies, stock market will show record breaking results, unemployment will be the lowest it's been in decades, US manufacturing will be on the rise, and we'll have more jobs open than we do people to fill them. All that without needing an $800 billion dollar "stimulus plan."

Sounds pretty shitty.

The economy had be moving in an upward trajectory prior to him assuming office.

Manufacturing has taken a dump as has business investment. What’s propelling the economy right now is consumer spending. Sound familiar? It should, that’s what was propelling the economy prior to the 2008 meltdown.

Now, if you are arguing the current president has done anything intentional in regards to anything policy wise (economic or otherwise) that would be a hard sell considering the dude doesn’t even bother to read the briefings provided him. I mean one might as well be using a fuckin magic 8 ball, but yeah dude who has run everything else he touched into the ground is a genius.

If one thinks the economy is not going to go off a cliff in the next year or two they would be pretty naive.
 
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Right.

Which just proves that there is no “progressive/liberal” movement of any significance in the US that you’re always squaking about. It’s either milk toast, mainstream, neoliberal, Republican crap like Obama was serving up or completely off the rails White National Trumptardism.

Ain’t we luck we got em...good times! Lol.

Were you drinking this evening? This post made no sense lmao
 

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The economy had be moving in an upward trajectory prior to him assuming office.

Manufacturing has taken a dump as has business investment. What’s propelling the economy right now is consumer spending. Sound familiar? It should, that’s what was propelling the economy prior to the 2008 meltdown.

Now, if you are arguing the current president has done anything intentional in regards to anything policy wise (economic or otherwise) that would be a hard sell considering the dude doesn’t even bother to read the briefings provided him. I mean one might as well be using a fuckin magic 8 ball, but yeah dude who has run everything else he touched into the ground is a genius.

If one thinks the economy is not going to go off a cliff in the next year or two they would be pretty naive.

So in summary Obama is responsible for the past 3 years being drastically better economically than the EIGHT years he had, and there's a recession coming. Got it lol.

Let's try to put it in football terms: economically we're probably Clemson football since 2017 but you think we're closer to Michigan State
 
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Quick rant, then Im done:

As a teacher going on almost 2 decades in the field, this Red for Ed crap is downright scary, if Im being honest.

Lets take an occupation of people adequately compensated for the actual time they work, give them a day off, and promise them a pay raise.

I have to see through the bullshit, and wonder if this is genuine, or the union seeing a free force of thousands of people to help
push states Blue? Most teachers already lean that way, but in recent years, not as many as you would think.

I DGAF about political affiliations, but here we are again, with politics manipulating an entire profession (much like Trump pandering to the working class) for their own personal gain, with no real commitment to the people they are claiming to help.

/endrant


*Clarification in adequate pay for time worked: the tired I WORK COUNTLESS HOURS OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL TIME trope some teachers use is by ones with poor time management skills, or ones new to the profession without a full toolbox yet at their disposal. Every job has a learning curve, and you pick things up as you go. We are no different. You put the time in early, and are set after that.


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ulukinatme

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So in summary Obama is responsible for the past 3 years being drastically better economically than the EIGHT years he had, and there's a recession coming. Got it lol.

Let's try to put it in football terms: economically we're probably Clemson football since 2017 but you think we're closer to Michigan State

This is always the case with their regimes. Anytime a conservative President enjoys a successful economy, it's because a progressive paved the way. They really should stop gifting Republicans!
 

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Then he'll take a stagnant economy, pass business friendly policies, stock market will show record breaking results, unemployment will be the lowest it's been in decades, US manufacturing will be on the rise, and we'll have more jobs open than we do people to fill them. All that without needing an $800 billion dollar "stimulus plan."

Sounds pretty shitty.

What do you think Trump's tax cut that is adding trillions to the debt is?
 

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What do you think Trump's tax cut that is adding trillions to the debt is?

I mean, nobody cared about the debt climbing when Obama was in, so if my choice is continued debt climbing and high taxes, or continued debt climbing and I get to keep my money... well....

And notice, the debt is not a big talking point from the primary candidates.

As U.S. debt, deficits mount, presidential candidates sweep them under the rug
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...idates-sweep-them-under-the-rug-idUSKCN1U715D

And really, is keeping my own money a "stimulus" if the alternative is a dem government keeps my money while the debt continues to grow.... Seems like it's only a stimulus package for policy I don't want.
 
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