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I just don’t understand when we got to the point where politics got so competitive for the R’s vs the D’s as opposed to the R/D together for the people they serve. I work for the county I live in and we had a councilman just resign because he moved out of state to take care of his parents. He was a republican that was very very fair across the board. So now the council is 3 democrats and 3 republicans. Since the one that just left just got elected again the republican committee for the county had to submit 4 names for the council to review and select a replacement. So they voted twice like the charter says and tied both times. So know we sit he is my district with out a rep and the council being one short. They are checking to make sure one of the addresses match up like the had concerns about. But now they have to have a special meeting before they can vote again and if this doesn’t happen by 7-31-19 the council stays one short til the next election and that means every vote will most likely be a tie. If they fault this hard for us as a county resident and employee man things would be better.

I know politics has always been a crooked business but man how do we stop this shit?

I will say I voted for trump and think he has done a lot of good but this whole twitter crap is really irritating me. I don’t think a person in his position should be using twitter to constantly stir the pot.
 

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I just don’t understand when we got to the point where politics got so competitive for the R’s vs the D’s as opposed to the R/D together for the people they serve. I work for the county I live in and we had a councilman just resign because he moved out of state to take care of his parents. He was a republican that was very very fair across the board. So now the council is 3 democrats and 3 republicans. Since the one that just left just got elected again the republican committee for the county had to submit 4 names for the council to review and select a replacement. So they voted twice like the charter says and tied both times. So know we sit he is my district with out a rep and the council being one short. They are checking to make sure one of the addresses match up like the had concerns about. But now they have to have a special meeting before they can vote again and if this doesn’t happen by 7-31-19 the council stays one short til the next election and that means every vote will most likely be a tie. If they fault this hard for us as a county resident and employee man things would be better.

I know politics has always been a crooked business but man how do we stop this shit?

I will say I voted for trump and think he has done a lot of good but this whole twitter crap is really irritating me. I don’t think a person in his position should be using twitter to constantly stir the pot.


I think it's a number of things but one the internet has pushed the masses further to either side and the media have followed the trend... this dynamic also highlighted the small fringe of either side and the 'normal right' now sees the loony left as the 'norm' and vice versa... I also think PC has been very divisive and I also think Obama winning at a time where these things were coming alive was not the best outcome. The last thing we needed in this environment was a smooth talking but completely antagonistic, arrogant, one sided, and divisive leader. It's how we ended up with someone like Trump, who from a leadership standpoint is even worse and more divisive. Whoever the next POTUS is we need a centrist who makes healing the country and bringing us all back from the ledge a primary focus... at lest in my opinion.
 
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The House is set to pass a phased-in minimum wage. Amendments to the bill spread the hikes over six years instead of five. They also won assurances the pay hike could be halted midway if a study shows job losses or other adverse effects.

$15 minimum wage would boost pay for 17 million but 1.3 million would lose their jobs, CBO says (cnbc)

The CBO study link

Will McConnell allow this to get to the floor for a vote?

Considering that a $15 minimum wage has proven to be a disaster even in extremely wealthy cities, one would have to be a moron -- or simply care only about the optics and being able to say "Republicans hate poor people" -- in order to support nationwide $15 minimum wage.
 

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Considering that a $15 minimum wage has proven to be a disaster even in extremely wealthy cities, one would have to be a moron -- or simply care only about the optics and being able to say "Republicans hate poor people" -- in order to support nationwide $15 minimum wage.

I've said for over a decade the leadership on the left gives not a fuckall about anything except solidifying their own power, so.... yeah...
 

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I think it's a number of things but one the internet has pushed the masses further to either side and the media have followed the trend... this dynamic also highlighted the small fringe of either side and the 'normal right' now sees the loony left as the 'norm' and vice versa... I also think PC has been very divisive and I also think Obama winning at a time where these things were coming alive was not the best outcome. The last thing we needed in this environment was a smooth talking but completely antagonistic, arrogant, one sided, and divisive leader. It's how we ended up with someone like Trump, who from a leadership standpoint is even worse and more divisive. Whoever the next POTUS is we need a centrist who makes healing the country and bringing us all back from the ledge a primary focus... at lest in my opinion.

Without the internet, I agree, we'd be less divided. However, in my opinion, the internet is merely a tool being used to expose our leadership and the culture they are imposing on the nation.

Rather than critically analyzing their own behavior, our leadership, both business and government, is instead trying to censor/control online speech in the same manner they have controlled mass media.

In my estimation, the divide is real and not merely a creation of the internet, which is why I have little hope a centrist leader emerges in the near future to salvage the current system. I think it's far more likely we see an increasingly authoritarian government being used to impose order. Who the hell knows, though.
 

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I just don’t understand when we got to the point where politics got so competitive for the R’s vs the D’s as opposed to the R/D together for the people they serve. I work for the county I live in and we had a councilman just resign because he moved out of state to take care of his parents. He was a republican that was very very fair across the board. So now the council is 3 democrats and 3 republicans. Since the one that just left just got elected again the republican committee for the county had to submit 4 names for the council to review and select a replacement. So they voted twice like the charter says and tied both times. So know we sit he is my district with out a rep and the council being one short. They are checking to make sure one of the addresses match up like the had concerns about. But now they have to have a special meeting before they can vote again and if this doesn’t happen by 7-31-19 the council stays one short til the next election and that means every vote will most likely be a tie. If they fault this hard for us as a county resident and employee man things would be better.

I know politics has always been a crooked business but man how do we stop this shit?

I will say I voted for trump and think he has done a lot of good but this whole twitter crap is really irritating me. I don’t think a person in his position should be using twitter to constantly stir the pot.


If Trump would stay off of Twitter and refrain from responding to every shot fired, his approval rating would probably be around 60%.
 

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Considering that a $15 minimum wage has proven to be a disaster even in extremely wealthy cities, one would have to be a moron -- or simply care only about the optics and being able to say "Republicans hate poor people" -- in order to support nationwide $15 minimum wage.

No kidding.
 

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Considering that a $15 minimum wage has proven to be a disaster even in extremely wealthy cities, one would have to be a moron -- or simply care only about the optics and being able to say "Republicans hate poor people" -- in order to support nationwide $15 minimum wage.

When it's phased in over seven years (a bit over $1 per hour per yr) and the minimum wage hasn't been raised in over a decade? When it lifts 17 million Americans out of poverty? Those cities have done it in one year, so that's apples to oranges. Hasn't inflation been 2.5% in three of the last four years with the fourth at 2.0%? As one example, one out of five public school teachers have second jobs during the school year. Those are more likely to be minimum wage.
 
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Workplace violence - in government. Rep Oregon lawmakers walked out during the session so a climate change bill could not be voted on. The Gov ordered the State Police to escort them back if they could find them within the state's borders.

Considered a Threat to Others, Oregon Senator Must Give 12 Hours' Notice Before Going to Capitol
Oregon Sen. Brian Boquist can only report to the Capitol if he provides 12 hours' notice, so that officials can arrange for additional state troopers to ensure the safety of employees and the public.

A legislative committee issued that decision after lengthy deliberations on Monday, in response to Boquist's threats last month against Senate President Peter Courtney, D-Salem, and state troopers.

Boquist, a Dallas Republican, made the statements after Gov. Kate Brown hinted she would consider sending state police to round up Republicans if they walked out of the Capitol to kill a sweeping climate change bill.

In a June 19 floor speech, Boquist told Courtney, "If you send the state police to get me, hell is coming to visit you personally."

Later the same day, Boquist suggested in an interview captured by a KGW television crew that he would shoot and potentially kill any state police sent by the governor and Senate president to bring him back to the Capitol.

"This is what I told the superintendent," Boquist said, referring to OSP Superintendent Travis Hampton. "Send bachelors and come heavily armed. I'm not going to be a political prisoner in the state of Oregon. It's just that simple."
- Has image of Boquist in elevator accompanied by a State policeman.

Really? It's come to threats to fellow lawmakers and the State Police?

The State legislature had to cancel a meeting because:
Climate Controversy: Militia Threats Shut Down Oregon Statehouse

A planned meeting for Oregon senators on Saturday was canceled amid threats from militia groups, who authorities said intended to demonstrate outside the capitol building in support of 11 Republican lawmakers, likely hiding out in a different state to avoid a vote on climate-change legislation.

Police in a statement to The Salem Statesman Journal said officers have been "monitoring information throughout Friday that indicated the safety of legislators, staff and citizen visitors could be compromised if certain threatened behaviors were realized."
 
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Saw this making the rounds on Facebook. Interesting article from a non-woke millennial:

“I’m sitting in a small coffee shop near Nokomis trying to think of what to write about. I scroll through my newsfeed on my phone looking at the latest headlines of Democratic candidates calling for policies to “fix” the so-called injustices of capitalism. I put my phone down and continue to look around. I see people talking freely, working on their MacBook’s, ordering food they get in an instant, seeing cars go by outside, and it dawned on me. We live in the most privileged time in the most prosperous nation and we’ve become completely blind to it. Vehicles, food, technology, freedom to associate with whom we choose. These things are so ingrained in our American way of life we don’t give them a second thought. We are so well off here in the United States that our poverty line begins 31 times above the global average. Thirty. One. Times. Virtually no one in the United States is considered poor by global standards. Yet, in a time where we can order a product off Amazon with one click and have it at our doorstep the next day, we are unappreciative, unsatisfied, and ungrateful.

Our unappreciation is evident as the popularity of socialist policies among my generation continues to grow. Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently said to Newsweek talking about the millennial generation, “An entire generation, which is now becoming one of the largest electorates in America, came of age and never saw American prosperity.”

Never saw American prosperity. Let that sink in. When I first read that statement, I thought to myself, that was quite literally the most entitled and factually illiterate thing I’ve ever heard in my 26 years on this earth. Now, I’m not attributing Miss Ocasio-Cortez’s words to outright dishonesty. I do think she whole-heartedly believes the words she said to be true. Many young people agree with her, which is entirely misguided. My generation is being indoctrinated by a mainstream narrative to actually believe we have never seen prosperity. I know this first hand, I went to college, let’s just say I didn’t have the popular opinion, but I digress.

Let me lay down some universal truths really quick. The United States of America has lifted more people out of abject poverty, spread more freedom and democracy, and has created more innovation in technology and medicine than any other nation in human history. Not only that but our citizenry continually breaks world records with charitable donations, the rags to riches story is not only possible in America but not uncommon, we have the strongest purchasing power on earth, and we encompass 25% of the world’s GDP. The list goes on. However, these universal truths don’t matter. We are told that income inequality is an existential crisis (even though this is not an indicator of prosperity, some of the poorest countries in the world have low-income inequality), we are told that we are oppressed by capitalism (even though it’s brought about more freedom and wealth to the most people than any other system in world history), we are told that the only way we will acquire the benefits of true prosperity is through socialism and centralization of federal power (even though history has proven time and again this only brings tyranny and suffering).

Why then, with all of the overwhelming evidence around us, evidence that I can even see sitting at a coffee shop, do we not view this as prosperity? We have people who are dying to get into our country. People around the world destitute and truly impoverished. Yet, we have a young generation convinced they’ve never seen prosperity, and as a result, elect politicians dead set on taking steps towards abolishing capitalism. Why? The answer is this, my generation has ONLY seen prosperity. We have no contrast. We didn’t live in the great depression, or live through two world wars, or see the rise and fall of socialism and communism. We don’t know what it’s like not to live without the internet, without cars, without smartphones. We don’t have a lack of prosperity problem. We have an entitlement problem, an ungratefulness problem, and it’s spreading like a plague.

With the current political climate giving rise to the misguided idea of a socialist utopia, will we see the light? Or will we have to lose it all to realize that what we have now is true prosperity? Destroying the free market will undo what millions of people have died to achieve.

My generation is becoming the largest voting bloc in the country. We have an opportunity to continue to propel us forward with the gifts capitalism and democracy has given us. The other option is that we can fall into the trap of entitlement and relapse into restrictive socialist destitution. The choice doesn’t seem too hard, does it?” Amen and Amen

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When it's phased in over seven years (a bit over $1 per hour per yr) and the minimum wage hasn't been raised in over a decade? When it lifts 17 million Americans out of poverty? Those cities have done it in one year, so that's apples to oranges. Hasn't inflation been 2.5% in three of the last four years with the fourth at 2.0%? As one example, one out of five public school teachers have second jobs during the school year. Those are more likely to be minimum wage.

$15/hour is $30,000/year full time - work 60 hours a week and you can make $45,000/year at MINIMUM WAGE. Pretty damn good money for a completely unskilled, bottom of the barrel worker. $8/hour gets you $16k/year working full time, $24k/year working 60 hours per week. Two income household easy to earn over $32,000 year which is $6k over the national poverty line for a family of four ($25,750). MINIMUM wage is already something that carries you out of poverty - this is just raw lunacy.

Not even getting in to the cost of living difference between Smallville, KS and LA or Chicago. It is crushing to small business in rural America to push something like this out. Let the states handle it - perfect policy to leave to the states as "laboratories of Democracy". Let California, New York and Seattle hamstring themselves and discover the hard way while anyone with half a brain can laugh at the completely predictable failure.
 

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$15/hour is $30,000/year full time - work 60 hours a week and you can make $45,000/year at MINIMUM WAGE. Pretty damn good money for a completely unskilled, bottom of the barrel worker. $8/hour gets you $16k/year working full time, $24k/year working 60 hours per week. Two income household easy to earn over $32,000 year which is $6k over the national poverty line for a family of four ($25,750). MINIMUM wage is already something that carries you out of poverty - this is just raw lunacy.

Not even getting in to the cost of living difference between Smallville, KS and LA or Chicago. It is crushing to small business in rural America to push something like this out. Let the states handle it - perfect policy to leave to the states as "laboratories of Democracy". Let California, New York and Seattle hamstring themselves and discover the hard way while anyone with half a brain can laugh at the completely predictable failure.

Its completely idiotic. A gas station clerk in Wishek ND doesn't need $15/hr.

Federal minimum wage should be dictated by the lowest expense areas rather than the highest. If cities/states want to take further action, I'm fine with that. They have a better idea of what is needed than the Feds do. Really difficult to make one wage for the entire country.

I looked at a cost of living calculator for Bismarck, ND compared to NYC. The difference was 150%. So why would you burden a businessman in Bismarck to pay his employees at minimum wage the same as a businessman in Manhattan?
 

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The minimum wage should rise every year with annualized CPI numbers provided by a non-partisan legislative services agency.

Or let the states do it.

I like those ideas.
 

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If Trump would stay off of Twitter and refrain from responding to every shot fired, his approval rating would probably be around 60%.

I believe it was Chris Christie who said about Trump: (paraphrasing) “you have to understand w/ Trump, he’s gonna take a swing at EVERY pitch regardless of whether or not they’re in the strike zone”

I think that sums him up. He can’t help himself & he’s his own worst enemy. I didn’t vote for him but i’m impressed w/ what he’s accomplished despite all the times he steps on his own dick in addition to 99% of the MSM not hiding the fact they hate him.
 

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I believe it was Chris Christie who said about Trump: (paraphrasing) “you have to understand w/ Trump, he’s gonna take a swing at EVERY pitch regardless of whether or not they’re in the strike zone”

I think that sums him up. He can’t help himself & he’s his own worst enemy. I didn’t vote for him but i’m impressed w/ what he’s accomplished despite all the times he steps on his own dick in addition to 99% of the MSM not hiding the fact they hate him.

Trump, to me, is fascinating. He's such a buffoon, but is often brilliant in his attacks/defense. Look no further than the Squad. The more he defends/attacks, the more the dems have to wrap their arms around them. The dems are already driving themselves off a cliff with progressiveness. He's just helping them accelerate.

We'll see if it works or not in 2020. Right now, the Dems look to have no message except for Trump is bad, free shit, and open borders.
 

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Trump, to me, is fascinating. He's such a buffoon, but is often brilliant in his attacks/defense. Look no further than the Squad. The more he defends/attacks, the more the dems have to wrap their arms around them. The dems are already driving themselves off a cliff with progressiveness. He's just helping them accelerate.

We'll see if it works or not in 2020. Right now, the Dems look to have no message except for Trump is bad, free shit, and open borders.

I like free shit. lol
 

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Elizabeth Warren just introduced a bill to cancel $640 billion in student debt. Between the $20 minimum wage proposed by Tlaib (lol) and a half a trillion dollar subsidy to the middle class it appears that the goal is to buy the election outright.
 

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... taking politics out of it, though, as an old college teacher with those sorts of ideals, I like the concept of free college to those who can meet the admissions standards. This is what the privately funded Kalamazoo Promise offers for any graduates of the Kalamazoo school system, who can gain admissions. So, to de-politicize a good idea, I hope that the current republican leadership simply offers to do the same thing.

Then we can get on with solving other problems and discussing more questionable issues.
 

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$15/hour is $30,000/year full time - work 60 hours a week and you can make $45,000/year at MINIMUM WAGE. Pretty damn good money for a completely unskilled, bottom of the barrel worker. $8/hour gets you $16k/year working full time, $24k/year working 60 hours per week. Two income household easy to earn over $32,000 year which is $6k over the national poverty line for a family of four ($25,750). MINIMUM wage is already something that carries you out of poverty - this is just raw lunacy.

Not even getting in to the cost of living difference between Smallville, KS and LA or Chicago. It is crushing to small business in rural America to push something like this out. Let the states handle it - perfect policy to leave to the states as "laboratories of Democracy". Let California, New York and Seattle hamstring themselves and discover the hard way while anyone with half a brain can laugh at the completely predictable failure.

How about an example from an employee perspective, though one is sensitive to the increased costs over the seven years the minimum raise would be phased in? (Raising the minimum wage to $15/hour over the next seven years would increase it annually by $1.07 per hour. The last time the minimum raise was raised was twelve years ago. Should the raises from $7.25/hr to $15 per hour have been spread out over those twelve plus the seven years now planned, the annual increase per year would have been 40 cents per year.)

A worker in Wichita, Kansas at the current minimum wage is $7.25 x 40 hrs x 52 weeks = $15,080. Total income taxes are $1,766 leaving take home pay of $13,314. (from Smart Asset) Federal poverty level for one person is $12,490. Kansas Medicaid eligibility is an income not more than $16,612. So the employee would qualify for Medicaid but not food stamps (SNAP) in Kansas (below $14,940).

Acccording to Living Wage Calculation for Wichita County, Kansas
which recommends a living wage for the detailed expenses to be $10.73 per hour for one adult, the
primary expenses for one adult for one year - Food - $3,058, Medical $2,244, Housing $6,096, Transportation - $4,866. Total - $16,264
(Their Housing calculation may be lower than it should. $6,096/12= $508 per month. Average rent in Wichita for a 761 sq ft is $644/month) Starting out, the projected expenses are higher than a minimum wage annual salary. However, because the employee qualifies for Medicaid, the medical of $2,244 can be subtracted. Augmenting food sources by going to food pantries, since they do qualify for SNAP will help lower those costs, making that $13,314 take home pay go farther. A roommate helps lower one's housing costs but may disqualify them from Medicaid, since criteria are figured on household income. Or lie about who's in the household. Cut out car insurance or a car, take public transportation or carpool. Assets are considered in Medicaid. A Medicaid extension would help when an income rises about FPL and an employer does not offer medical. Subsidize housing would help until an employee could save enough to get our.

So, after the first year's raise using the Smart Asset calculator linked, they would be earning $8.32 per hour or $17,305 with take home pay after taxes ($2228) of $15,077. In that first year, the employee would leave the Medicaid role for Kansas. The employee would also pay the federal government $223 more in taxes and $69 more in state taxes as well as $170 more in FICA. (Wichita does not have local taxes) The second year with another $1.07 per hour increase to $9.39/hr, they would still be less than the living wage for Wichita from above of $10.73. The third year the employee would be at $10.46 per hour. They are off the Medicaid roles, off government assistance, and contributing to state and federal taxes as well as contributing more to Social Security.

Medical costs are a concern for both employer and employee. As the employee moves out of Kansas Medicaid, they will hopefully have a health plan with their employer. A referendum by Kansas voters authorized an expansion of Medicaid to 140% of FPL, which the newly-elected Gov ran on, but the legislature has still not enacted it. (The chances of leaving it up to the Kansas legislature to increase the minimum wage are none.) So the minimum wage employee who has just left Medicaid must rely on their employer's plan. A deductible may run from $2-5,000 if they get sick.

Recently costs of living in the U.S. has gone up 2% per year. Kansas' cost of living index overall is low 89.0 (average 100), mostly due to low housing costs in most parts of the state. Wichita's overall is 86.3 vs Overland Park (KC suburb) of 119.6.

Higher education always holds the possiblity of escaping a minimum wage trap. Should that employee, who is a graduate from K.U., be working at a minimum wage due to not finding employment in their field of study, they have averaged taking out $26,736 in loans. Perhaps they are contributing to public service in a profession that qualifies for loan forgiveness in ten years. Financial institutions and the fed government would not want them defaulting.

This is a best case scenario at a location with a low cost of living, low taxes, low housing, an unemployment rate of 3.7% and, if a higher ed graduate, relatively lower tuition. Change any of those factors for different parts of the country through the Location setting to get a better picture there. The benefits of raising the minimum wage phasing it in over seven years and getting employees off federal programs with more money to spend in their communities as well as increasing the state and federal revenues are clear. As noted, CBO estimates 17 million Americans would get out of poverty. Changes to any of the federal programs or block grants to the states might lower the chances of lifting yourself out of poverty.
 
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Here's a good thread on last week's National Conservatism conference and the current fault-lines within the GOP:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Last week's National Conservatism conference was rife with internal contradictions. I go through a few of them here, my latest:<a href="https://t.co/mJgCM7x6mc">https://t.co/mJgCM7x6mc</a></p>— Samuel Hammond &#55356;&#57104;&#55356;&#57307; (@hamandcheese) <a href="https://twitter.com/hamandcheese/status/1154018564858363904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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How about an example from an employee perspective, though one is sensitive to the increased costs over the seven years the minimum raise would be phased in? (Raising the minimum wage to $15/hour over the next seven years would increase it annually by $1.07 per hour. The last time the minimum raise was raised was twelve years ago. Should the raises from $7.25/hr to $15 per hour have been spread out over those twelve plus the seven years now planned, the annual increase per year would have been 40 cents per year.)

A worker in Wichita, Kansas at the current minimum wage is $7.25 x 40 hrs x 52 weeks = $15,080. Total income taxes are $1,766 leaving take home pay of $13,314. (from Smart Asset) Federal poverty level for one person is $12,490. Kansas Medicaid eligibility is an income not more than $16,612. So the employee would qualify for Medicaid but not food stamps (SNAP) in Kansas (below $14,940).

Acccording to Living Wage Calculation for Wichita County, Kansas
which recommends a living wage for the detailed expenses to be $10.73 per hour for one adult, the
primary expenses for one adult for one year - Food - $3,058, Medical $2,244, Housing $6,096, Transportation - $4,866. Total - $16,264
(Their Housing calculation may be lower than it should. $6,096/12= $508 per month. Average rent in Wichita for a 761 sq ft is $644/month) Starting out, the projected expenses are higher than a minimum wage annual salary. However, because the employee qualifies for Medicaid, the medical of $2,244 can be subtracted. Augmenting food sources by going to food pantries, since they do qualify for SNAP will help lower those costs, making that $13,314 take home pay go farther. A roommate helps lower one's housing costs but may disqualify them from Medicaid, since criteria are figured on household income. Or lie about who's in the household. Cut out car insurance or a car, take public transportation or carpool. Assets are considered in Medicaid. A Medicaid extension would help when an income rises about FPL and an employer does not offer medical. Subsidize housing would help until an employee could save enough to get our.

So, after the first year's raise using the Smart Asset calculator linked, they would be earning $8.32 per hour or $17,305 with take home pay after taxes ($2228) of $15,077. In that first year, the employee would leave the Medicaid role for Kansas. The employee would also pay the federal government $223 more in taxes and $69 more in state taxes as well as $170 more in FICA. (Wichita does not have local taxes) The second year with another $1.07 per hour increase to $9.39/hr, they would still be less than the living wage for Wichita from above of $10.73. The third year the employee would be at $10.46 per hour. They are off the Medicaid roles, off government assistance, and contributing to state and federal taxes as well as contributing more to Social Security.

Medical costs are a concern for both employer and employee. As the employee moves out of Kansas Medicaid, they will hopefully have a health plan with their employer. A referendum by Kansas voters authorized an expansion of Medicaid to 140% of FPL, which the newly-elected Gov ran on, but the legislature has still not enacted it. (The chances of leaving it up to the Kansas legislature to increase the minimum wage are none.) So the minimum wage employee who has just left Medicaid must rely on their employer's plan. A deductible may run from $2-5,000 if they get sick.

Recently costs of living in the U.S. has gone up 2% per year. Kansas' cost of living index overall is low 89.0 (average 100), mostly due to low housing costs in most parts of the state. Wichita's overall is 86.3 vs Overland Park (KC suburb) of 119.6.

Higher education always holds the possiblity of escaping a minimum wage trap. Should that employee, who is a graduate from K.U., be working at a minimum wage due to not finding employment in their field of study, they have averaged taking out $26,736 in loans. Perhaps they are contributing to public service in a profession that qualifies for loan forgiveness in ten years. Financial institutions and the fed government would not want them defaulting.

This is a best case scenario at a location with a low cost of living, low taxes, low housing, an unemployment rate of 3.7% and, if a higher ed graduate, relatively lower tuition. Change any of those factors for different parts of the country through the Location setting to get a better picture there. The benefits of raising the minimum wage phasing it in over seven years and getting employees off federal programs with more money to spend in their communities as well as increasing the state and federal revenues are clear. As noted, CBO estimates 17 million Americans would get out of poverty. Changes to any of the federal programs or block grants to the states might lower the chances of lifting yourself out of poverty.

So you are saying in Wichita a single person can live comfortably on minimum wage without even working 60 hours per week on two jobs? Sounds to me like we should lower it, not raise it. Why bother with college if you can make $15/hour with no skills? Sure would be nice for the couch jockeys to have more X box time if they could work 20 hours instead of 40 to pay their rent and electric.

Well established that most Americans do not STAY in poverty, most work their way out on their own. I also doubt those "stuck" there today would work their way out at $15/hour. More likely they work less by choice as their highest personal utility is realized eating Cheetos on the couch.
 

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How about an example from an employee perspective, though one is sensitive to the increased costs over the seven years the minimum raise would be phased in? (Raising the minimum wage to $15/hour over the next seven years would increase it annually by $1.07 per hour. The last time the minimum raise was raised was twelve years ago. Should the raises from $7.25/hr to $15 per hour have been spread out over those twelve plus the seven years now planned, the annual increase per year would have been 40 cents per year.)

A worker in Wichita, Kansas at the current minimum wage is $7.25 x 40 hrs x 52 weeks = $15,080. Total income taxes are $1,766 leaving take home pay of $13,314. (from Smart Asset) Federal poverty level for one person is $12,490. Kansas Medicaid eligibility is an income not more than $16,612. So the employee would qualify for Medicaid but not food stamps (SNAP) in Kansas (below $14,940).

Acccording to Living Wage Calculation for Wichita County, Kansas
which recommends a living wage for the detailed expenses to be $10.73 per hour for one adult, the
primary expenses for one adult for one year - Food - $3,058, Medical $2,244, Housing $6,096, Transportation - $4,866. Total - $16,264
(Their Housing calculation may be lower than it should. $6,096/12= $508 per month. Average rent in Wichita for a 761 sq ft is $644/month) Starting out, the projected expenses are higher than a minimum wage annual salary. However, because the employee qualifies for Medicaid, the medical of $2,244 can be subtracted. Augmenting food sources by going to food pantries, since they do qualify for SNAP will help lower those costs, making that $13,314 take home pay go farther. A roommate helps lower one's housing costs but may disqualify them from Medicaid, since criteria are figured on household income. Or lie about who's in the household. Cut out car insurance or a car, take public transportation or carpool. Assets are considered in Medicaid. A Medicaid extension would help when an income rises about FPL and an employer does not offer medical. Subsidize housing would help until an employee could save enough to get our.

So, after the first year's raise using the Smart Asset calculator linked, they would be earning $8.32 per hour or $17,305 with take home pay after taxes ($2228) of $15,077. In that first year, the employee would leave the Medicaid role for Kansas. The employee would also pay the federal government $223 more in taxes and $69 more in state taxes as well as $170 more in FICA. (Wichita does not have local taxes) The second year with another $1.07 per hour increase to $9.39/hr, they would still be less than the living wage for Wichita from above of $10.73. The third year the employee would be at $10.46 per hour. They are off the Medicaid roles, off government assistance, and contributing to state and federal taxes as well as contributing more to Social Security.

Medical costs are a concern for both employer and employee. As the employee moves out of Kansas Medicaid, they will hopefully have a health plan with their employer. A referendum by Kansas voters authorized an expansion of Medicaid to 140% of FPL, which the newly-elected Gov ran on, but the legislature has still not enacted it. (The chances of leaving it up to the Kansas legislature to increase the minimum wage are none.) So the minimum wage employee who has just left Medicaid must rely on their employer's plan. A deductible may run from $2-5,000 if they get sick.

Recently costs of living in the U.S. has gone up 2% per year. Kansas' cost of living index overall is low 89.0 (average 100), mostly due to low housing costs in most parts of the state. Wichita's overall is 86.3 vs Overland Park (KC suburb) of 119.6.

Higher education always holds the possiblity of escaping a minimum wage trap. Should that employee, who is a graduate from K.U., be working at a minimum wage due to not finding employment in their field of study, they have averaged taking out $26,736 in loans. Perhaps they are contributing to public service in a profession that qualifies for loan forgiveness in ten years. Financial institutions and the fed government would not want them defaulting.

This is a best case scenario at a location with a low cost of living, low taxes, low housing, an unemployment rate of 3.7% and, if a higher ed graduate, relatively lower tuition. Change any of those factors for different parts of the country through the Location setting to get a better picture there. The benefits of raising the minimum wage phasing it in over seven years and getting employees off federal programs with more money to spend in their communities as well as increasing the state and federal revenues are clear. As noted, CBO estimates 17 million Americans would get out of poverty. Changes to any of the federal programs or block grants to the states might lower the chances of lifting yourself out of poverty.

....why is a KU graduate working for minimum wage?

I made more than that in high school working at the city pool lmao.
 
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