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It's a little over the top but really if it means people drink less soda nothing of value will be lost. I know, "muh freedoms" and all of that but I think casual soda consumption is probably one of the greatest health crises we face in this country. I think constant soda consumption is more damaging than cigarette smoking.

Okay. But what if this is a regressive tax? While it looks terrible in this shot (36 pack), priced out at the can or bottle level, its ~$0.25 per. For those people who aren't buying bulk but go to the local 7-eleven for lunch or dinner, their habits are less likely to change and least likely to be able to pay it. You still okay with it?

About 30 percent of US adults consume sugar-sweetened beverages like sugary soda and lemonade each day, according to CDC report published today. The people who are most likely to consume sugary drinks are younger adults, men, black people, and people with lower levels of education

https://www.theverge.com/2016/2/25/11113154/cdc-soda-sugar-drinks-report-us-demographics-statistics
 
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Okay. But what if this is a regressive tax? While it looks terrible in this shot (36 pack), priced out at the can or bottle level, its ~$0.25 per. For those people who aren't buying bulk but go to the local 7-eleven for lunch or dinner, their habits are less likely to change and least likely to be able to pay it. You still okay with it?

I am okay with regressive sin taxes.
 

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I am okay with regressive sin taxes.

This is interesting, because at first I was like "wait what?!" but then I realized that it actually makes tons of sense for "sin" taxes to be hella regressive. In fact, it's the only kind of regressive tax I would ever support. And there are actually tons of reasons that you'd want to discourage lower income families from consuming these kinds of products.
 

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This is interesting, because at first I was like "wait what?!" but then I realized that it actually makes tons of sense for "sin" taxes to be hella regressive. In fact, it's the only kind of regressive tax I would ever support. And there are actually tons of reasons that you'd want to discourage lower income families from consuming these kinds of products.

Agreed. If you look at cigarette smoking, there is a socioeconomic context to it as well. If you can drive down the amount of lower income individuals that smoke, our economy, health system, and more would improves.

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I'm surprised the smokeless tobacco is so low.

Where I work it seems to be a generational divide. Fewer young people smoke, they dip, and fewer old people dip, they smoke. Absolutely no cigars.
 

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I'm surprised the smokeless tobacco is so low.

Where I work it seems to be a generational divide. Fewer young people smoke, they dip, and fewer old people dip, they smoke. Absolutely no cigars.

I agree about the smokeless tobacco. Most anyone I know in my age bracket (20s and 30s) that uses tobacco, dip. On the other hand, I know some that dip when they can't smoke, they're regular smokers, but will dip when smoking isn't an option so there's that.

I will say, cigars being low doesn't surprise me. Anyone who smokes cigars anymore, IMO, doesn't do so regularly. It's on the golf course, at an event (wedding, party, etc.), or go to a cigar lounge once every blue moon to enjoy one.
 

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I'm surprised the smokeless tobacco is so low.

Where I work it seems to be a generational divide. Fewer young people smoke, they dip, and fewer old people dip, they smoke. Absolutely no cigars.

Didn't/don't know many smokers, have run into that same divide, at least in NoDak.

Notice more smoking down here, which I found
surprising. When I think of a bunch of rednecks, I think of barefoot dudes with straw hats and a can of Copenhagen on their person at all times.
 

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Agreed. If you look at cigarette smoking, there is a socioeconomic context to it as well. If you can drive down the amount of lower income individuals that smoke, our economy, health system, and more would improves.

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Reps for the post and for the graphics. Other associated factors than socio-economic status would include access to smoking cessation programs, growing up with family smokers and exposure to secondhand smoking, on disability, weak smokefree statuses in states, rural vs urban, etc.

Map of Current Cigarette Use Among Adults

Map of Comprehensive Medicaid Coverage of Cessation Treatments

Cigarette Smoking Among Adults with Disabilities


So many of the states with high incidences of smoking also have a number of these factors too, making the health care costs of smoking higher there. Smoking cessation usually takes multiple attempts, so insurance coverage for the low income population is key.
 
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Here's a great thread on the structural problems of the federal government today:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So a judge begins with the proposition that an executive order is lawfully entered; executive orders by definition lie entirely in the discretion of the Executive and may be withdrawn or advanced at his sole discretion; and concluded withdrawing it may be illegal.</p>— (((≠))) (@ThomasHCrown) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThomasHCrown/status/951083243012534277?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">EXCLUSIVE: Huma Abedin and Anthony Weiner call off their divorce <a href="https://t.co/QzM1Ku95ux">https://t.co/QzM1Ku95ux</a> <a href="https://t.co/EGxzhMrj0n">pic.twitter.com/EGxzhMrj0n</a></p>— Page Six (@PageSix) <a href="https://twitter.com/PageSix/status/951151948115402752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
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WTF? Is this so he doesn't have to testify against her on something?
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">EXCLUSIVE: Huma Abedin and Anthony Weiner call off their divorce <a href="https://t.co/QzM1Ku95ux">https://t.co/QzM1Ku95ux</a> <a href="https://t.co/EGxzhMrj0n">pic.twitter.com/EGxzhMrj0n</a></p>— Page Six (@PageSix) <a href="https://twitter.com/PageSix/status/951151948115402752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
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WTF? Is this so he doesn't have to testify against her on something?



Large member...or maybe what you said.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">EXCLUSIVE: Huma Abedin and Anthony Weiner call off their divorce <a href="https://t.co/QzM1Ku95ux">https://t.co/QzM1Ku95ux</a> <a href="https://t.co/EGxzhMrj0n">pic.twitter.com/EGxzhMrj0n</a></p>— Page Six (@PageSix) <a href="https://twitter.com/PageSix/status/951151948115402752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
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WTF? Is this so he doesn't have to testify against her on something?

Has to be.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After firing an aid for not focusing on taking down Hillary, Trey Gowdy was sued for $150,000. Gowdy paid him off with taxpayer funds.<br><br>Now, Gowdy is resigning from the House Ethics Committee.<a href="https://t.co/FA7kcbh1kx">https://t.co/FA7kcbh1kx</a></p>— Victor Stoddard (@VicStoddard) <a href="https://twitter.com/VicStoddard/status/952299112333852672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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"What's the big deal, sometimes you have to grease the wheels of foreign countries to get business done." - North Dakota

On a serious note, there is some great phrasing in that article, from the headline down. It's almost like The New York Post is owned by the same corporation that owns Fox News.

The Brietbart headline is even better: "Associate in Hillary Clinton Uranium One Russian Bribery Case Indicted"

Or maybe The Blaze's headline: "Feds announce indictment in massive bribery scheme connected to Hillary Clinton’s Uranium One deal"

I guess I'll ask...how is Mark Lambert connected to Hillary Clinton or the Obama Administration? Your article doesn't present a connection. Sounds like a shady businessman doing a shady businessman thing.

But, given that people don't remember specifics and just emotions, posting a story and headlines mashing bribery, Hillary Clinton, Uranium One, indictment, etc certainly speaks to the power of crafty misinformation.

And when YJ comes around, where is the outrage over the 100% horseshit articles by Brietbart and The Blaze?
 

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"What's the big deal, sometimes you have to grease the wheels of foreign countries to get business done." - North Dakota

On a serious note, there is some great phrasing in that article, from the headline down. It's almost like The New York Post is owned by the same corporation that owns Fox News.

The Brietbart headline is even better: "Associate in Hillary Clinton Uranium One Russian Bribery Case Indicted"

Or maybe The Blaze's headline: "Feds announce indictment in massive bribery scheme connected to Hillary Clinton’s Uranium One deal"

I guess I'll ask...how is Mark Lambert connected to Hillary Clinton or the Obama Administration? Your article doesn't present a connection. Sounds like a shady businessman doing a shady businessman thing.

But, given that people don't remember specifics and just emotions, posting a story and headlines mashing bribery, Hillary Clinton, Uranium One, indictment, etc certainly speaks to the power of crafty misinformation.

And when YJ comes around, where is the outrage over the 100% horseshit articles by Brietbart and The Blaze?

here's some conspiracy shit for you to look at

Strange Clinton Connections Emerge After Uranium One Indictment

FOR THE CLINTONS IT IS A VERY SMALL WORLD INDEED

Back to Lambert. While the DOJ release simply referred to "Transportation Corporation A" a simple search for Lambert at LinkedIn, shows Lambert as Co-President & Managing Partner of Daher - TLI from 1998 until present (20 years).


According to Daher - TLI's about page, it was created in 1998 and Part of DAHER Group since 2009, calling itself "the leading front end freight forwarding company dedicated to Nuclear Cargo," and they proudly proclaim they "managed the transportation of Megatons to Megawatts program since 1999, and continued to manage the program through its completion in 2013."

Megatons for Megawatts was an agreement between the United States and Russia where Russia supplied the U.S. with low-enriched uranium obtained from high-enriched uranium. That deal was called "Russian-U.S. agreement concerning the disposition of highly enriched uranium extracted from nuclear weapons," also called "United States-Russia Highly Enriched Uranium Purchase Agreement," signed in 1993 during the Bill Clinton presidency.

Another Clinton connection, or perhaps we should say strange coincidence, involves the location of DAHER's listed headquarters, at 8161 Maple Lawn Blvd, Fulton, MD, 20759.


Another company, Teneo Capital is also listed as having an office in that building according to Findthecompany.com, the White Pages, and Super Pages, and BuzzFile, but their main headquarters is listed as being in New York. Teneo Capital is a division of Teneo Holdings. The president of Teneo Holdings, according to their website is Doug Band.

The same Doug Band that worked in the White House Counsel’s office starting in 1995, made Special Assistant to President Bill Clinton in 1999. Band then served as Clinton's chief advisor from 2002 until 2012. Band also is credited with creating and building Clinton Global Initiative, and later worked for the William J. Clinton Foundation.
 

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you asked, so i googled. thought i was being nice. I even classed it as conspiracy. i see some of the same stuff from others....

If you are genuinely interested in media and how it is shaped you might want to take some time and read some of Marshall Mcluhan's work. I'd also recommend Toxic Sludge is Good for You by Stauber and Rampton.
 
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In reality.......Its funny cause Michael Flynn was actually involved in this during the campaign and after with Tenex and Rosatom to provide nuclear reactors in the Middle East which required the lifting of sanctions on Russia.....
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Flynn texted Alex Copson during the inauguration.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-flynn-nuclear-exclusive/exclusive-mideast-nuclear-plan-backers-bragged-of-support-of-top-trump-aide-flynn-idUSKBN1DV5Z6
Backers of a U.S.-Russian plan to build nuclear reactors across the Middle East bragged after the U.S. election they had backing from Donald Trump’s national security adviser Michael Flynn for a project that required lifting sanctions on Russia, documents reviewed by Reuters show.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/michael-flynn-texted-nuclear-plans-whistleblower-282070

Congressional Democrats said Wednesday they have evidence from a confidential whistleblower that within minutes of President Donald Trump's inauguration, then-national security adviser Michael Flynn sent assurances to former business partners that a plan to build nuclear reactors across the Middle East was "good to go."

Democrats on the House Oversight Committee said in a letter dated Wednesday that the whistleblower reported attending an Inauguration Day event with Flynn's former business associate Alex Copson, the managing partner of ACU Strategic Partners.

The whistleblower said Copson gushed that Trump's inauguration was "the best day of my life" because it meant his company's effort to create a U.S.-Russia energy partnership in the Middle East, which reportedly would have included more than two dozen nuclear plants in the region, was moving forward. Copson said Flynn was making sure Obama-era sanctions, which he claimed threatened the nuclear project, would be "ripped up," according to the whistleblower.

And the whistleblower said Copson flipped his phone around to reveal a text message he said came from Flynn describing the nuclear reactor project as "good to go." According to the account, the whistleblower didn't see the substance of the text but recalled seeing a 12:11 p.m. time stamp. At that time, Flynn was on the dais during Trump's inaugural address.

"Our committee has credible allegations that President Trump's National Security Advisor sought to manipulate the course of international nuclear policy for the financial gain of his former business partners," Rep. Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, said in the letter to Chairman Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.). "These grave allegations compel a full, credible, and bipartisan congressional investigation."

Cummings said the whistleblower approached the committee in June, but Mueller’s investigators asked the Maryland Democrat to hold off on the public release of this information “until they completed certain investigative steps.”

“They have now informed us that they have done so,” Cummings told Gowdy, who did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The White House also did not respond.

Multiple news reports described emails and accounts revealing boastfulness by Flynn's former partners about their nuclear plan, as well as Flynn's efforts inside the White House to promote the deal.

"This is the start of something I have been working on for years," the whistleblower recalled Copson saying at the Inauguration Day event, according to the Democrats' letter. "Mike has been putting everything in place for us."

Cummings described the whistleblower as "authentic, credible, and reliable." He also said the whistleblower "still fears retaliation" but felt "duty bound as a citizen to make this disclosure." The whistleblower, Cummings added, has expressed willingness to meet with Gowdy if the chairman agrees to keep the individual's identity confidential.

Gowdy responded sharply in a letter to Cummings, refusing the offer and referring it instead to the House intelligence committee, which is leading an investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

"While you may want every committee of Congress to investigate the same fact patterns," Gowdy wrote, "it isn't a prudent use of resources — something you used to be mindful of."

He also suggested that Cummings redirect any information he has to Mueller, though Cummings said he's already shared the information with the special counsel's team.


Cummings has complained for months that Gowdy won't subpoena the White House for more details about Flynn's conduct during his brief tenure as Trump's national security adviser. Flynn resigned just 24 days after Trump's inauguration because he purportedly misled Vice President Mike Pence about his conversations with Russian officials in the weeks leading up to the inauguration.

Gowdy has previously declined Cummings' call to subpoena the White House for Flynn records on the grounds that it could conflict with Mueller's probe.

"Much of what is sought by my Democratic colleagues — if properly investigated, charged and proven beyond a reasonable doubt — would carry criminal penalties," Gowdy wrote in an Oct. 18 letter to Mueller and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. "Congress does not, and cannot, prosecute crimes."

But Cummings used the new information to suggest that Gowdy should drop his objections. He noted that he and Gowdy's predecessor, former Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah, worked together to procure documents indicating that Flynn had omitted key information about foreign contacts on his security clearance forms.

Cummings also argued that Gowdy seemed unconcerned with conflicting with ongoing investigations when the two men led the House investigation into the attack on a U.S. compound in Benghazi — a probe that resulted in the discovery of Hillary Clinton's private email server. Cummings released an 11-page memo Wednesday detailing instances when Congress, and Gowdy himself, pursued investigations that ran parallel with separate criminal probes.

Gowdy rejected the suggestion he had reversed his position on parallel probes in his letter.

"Perhaps your memory is poor because you spent two years obstructing, delaying, and obfuscating the investigation," Gowdy wrote. "If it had been up to you, the server would still be a mystery."

Just something to keep in mind....
 
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Ahh, I just noticed this blast from the not so distant past...

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/19/lois-lerner-holly-paz-want-testimony-sealed-perman/

..."not a shred" turned into a settlement and the government acknowledging that Lois Lerner was indeed a "greasy pork sandwich served in a dirty ash tray". But then who in their heart of hearts really thought she was the "bright spot" in all of this...LOL! Oh Peter J. Kadzik in his role within DOJ said so, while coincidentally leaking investigative info to the Clintons???...must be true...Lois is clean...LOL!

So yea, the IRS indeed set out to harass and harm citizens based on their politics.

And of course Ms. Lerner fears for her life now...probably the first honest thing she's said...I believe her...and she earned it. Not sure if the testimony is sealed...but yea, it'd be a good idea.

Government gaining trust every day since about Truman...SMFH.
 

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The Week's Matthew Walther just published an article titled "The Democratic Party is the least cool thing on the planet":

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Never mind what you've heard. The leader of the Democratic Party in 2018 is not Hillary Clinton or Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi. It is an enormous green face with Veltrex eyes the size of cocktail shakers, a salacious red tongue leaping out of a cavernous mouth, and clasped faux-velvet arms holding a knapsack over his groin. His name is Mitch McTurtle.

This creature is ostensibly the official mascot of the Nevada Democrats, announced earlier this week at a groan-inducing press conference. But Mitch is more than that. He is the barely beating foam heart of the party of FDR and LBJ. He is Pajama Boy, "Pokémon Go to the polls," "7 Ways Hillary Clinton is Just Like Your Abuela," and the "About Me" page of the carpet-bagging moderate who ran against Randy Bryce during the Democratic primary for the Wisconsin seat held by House Speaker Paul Ryan. He is Chuck Schumer making Game of Thrones references in between inventing bad reasons for opposing single-payer health care.

Centrist Democrats in 2018 have two easily reconcilable priorities: provision of a supposed medical procedure that half of the population regards as murder and shoring up Wall Street. In the course of marketing both of these positions they are known to have recourse to painful pop-culture references and résumé English.

Marie Newman — one of the two Democrats running against that put-upon but, alas, shamefully not pro-choice champion of the working class, Rep. Dan Lipinksi (Ill.) — says on her official website that she is "results-driven and progressive" and "has spent her life embracing challenges and working with others on solutions." In her long career as a consultant, Newman has done work on behalf of Discover Card, "start-ups," and something called Humana. She is also an anti-bullying activist. According to Newman, her Democratic opponent who opposes free trade and has sponsored legislation that would ensure that every product sold as "Made in the USA" would be manufactured by well-remunerated union-protected laborers is "far-right" because he opposes "women's health" (i.e. abortion) and supports "'right-to-discriminate' legislation" (i.e. is against same-sex marriage).

How many layers of "I loved whispering 'ssssh' to my classmates during library hour in elementary school" do you have to be on to find the prospect of supporting this party even remotely appealing? Never mind substantive questions about the economy, medical care, and foreign policy on which the Democrats are indistinguishable from the GOP. Which side do you think is, if not cool, slightly less lame? It ultimately comes down to whether greedy people pretending to be hip strikes you as less embarrassing than greedy people who could not be hip even if they tried their absolute hardest.

All of which is to say that the most significant thing to be said on behalf of Republicans is that they are unashamed about their venality. They are unabashedly anti-poor people, proudly in favor of making the world a better place for the 1 percent. Their response to President Trump's sociopathic hatred of the world's marginalized is wistful rather than condemnatory. If only, they seem to say, he could be the tough-minded pragmatic wonk of the golf course rather than the "shithole"-denouncing villain of the last week or so, we could reduce the number of refugees while maximizing the amount of communist Chinese capital that we allow into this country.

There is every reason to believe that the 2018 midterms will be a contest between frat boys marketing their tax cuts as racism and Wall Street toadies dressing up their assaults on the working class as a crusade for "women's health," and that the presidential election that already looms over us like a shadow will pit the founder of O magazine against the former president of Trump University.

Which team are you rooting for?
 

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I'm not familiar with Matthew Walther and maybe I'm missing the sarcasm, but is he really not familiar with Humana? It's like the fifth biggest insurance company in the country.

It's a joke riffing on all the corporate jargon on Newman's website.
 

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Whiskey did you read today's article? The only redeeming part I found was the last paragraph.

This one? To the extent he was looking the highlight the disconnect between anti-abortion rhetoric and the rather mundane political actions favored by the movement, I think it works. But he seems to equivocate at the end, which is unlike him. I wasn't entirely sure what to make of it.
 

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This one? To the extent he was looking the highlight to disconnect between anti-abortion rhetoric and the rather mundane political actions taken favored by the movement, I think it works. But he seems to equivocate at the end, which is unlike him. I wasn't entirely sure what to make of it.

Maybe it's just because I hear the accusations from pro-choice people more often, but I think he does believe that we don't argue in good faith. No issue is really more important than protecting life, and I do agree with him that many use the position merely for political gain. But to call the March for Life baffling seems rather odd to me, as I never took him for a utilitarian. Who cares that the March doesn't directly lead to the overturning of Roe v Wade, it's an opportunity for those devoted to the protection of the unborn to gather and show their numbers every year.

The equivocation is ridiculous, and is not too out of line with what I've read from him. Walther has made his thoughts on America rather plain, and so it does not surprise me that he compares our nation unfavorably with the great tyrannies of the 20th century. He's not wrong that the number of aborted children are terribly difficult to comprehend, but to compare our nation to Nazi Germany or Maoist China seems, to put it charitably, a stretch. His whole tone towards everything wears thin on me, though of course it's fun to read his articles blasting on a topic I also find crazy (like his Democrat piece), but his snark reads more like he lacks a single charitable bone in his body.

I'm almost definitely wrong on this, as I know he's a devoted father, but I suspect he's also a Wolverine. So we may need to reconsider whether his articles should be welcome on this site.
 
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