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This supposed to be significant? I think a high school kid could figure that out.

Please then quickly submit your resume to the cia, fbi, or nsa. It took years of soviet defectors, the many lives of foreign agents, a lot of derring-do, and top-level analysis from PhD's from top schools to get much of this. It was all opaque for many many years and much of it still is.

If you could have gotten this more easily and more quickly, you have an obligation to all of us to put aside whatever you're doing and go serve.

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Has anyone else been following this rhino poaching story? The idiot conservationists are going to drive these species to extinction because they're economically illiterate. You could end poaching tomorrow by flooding the market with all of the confiscated rhino horn (and ivory) and driving the price down. Domesticate rhino and elephant herds and harvest their horns and tusks sustainably. Boom, poaching is no longer profitable.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/13/save-elephants-farm-them-ivory-tusks
 
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Has anyone else been following this rhino poaching story? The idiot conservationists are going to drive these species to extinction because they're economically illiterate. You could end poaching tomorrow by flooding the market with all of the confiscated rhino horn (and ivory) and driving the price down. Domesticate rhino and elephant herds and harvest their horns and tusks sustainably. Boom, poaching is no longer profitable.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/13/save-elephants-farm-them-ivory-tusks

It might also be economically illiterate to ignore that legalizing the sale of ivory would likely boost demand for it and thus undo much of the price drop you're suggesting. Buffalo hunting was legal and a market didn't spring up to save them.

But generally speaking I agree with you. Farm them. Can you imagine a population of elephants in West Texas 1,000+ strong? That would be a sight to see.
 
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Has anyone else been following this rhino poaching story? The idiot conservationists are going to drive these species to extinction because they're economically illiterate. You could end poaching tomorrow by flooding the market with all of the confiscated rhino horn (and ivory) and driving the price down. Domesticate rhino and elephant herds and harvest their horns and tusks sustainably. Boom, poaching is no longer profitable.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/13/save-elephants-farm-them-ivory-tusks

It might also be economically illiterate to ignore that legalizing the sale of ivory would likely boost demand for it and thus undo much of the price drop you're suggesting. Buffalo hunting was legal and a market didn't spring up to save them.

But generally speaking I agree with you. Farm them. Can you imagine a population of elephants in West Texas 1,000+ strong? That would be a sight to see.

Or instead of needlessly killing them, use a 3d printer and biotechnology to print horns and flood the market with those.

A biotech startup is 3D-printing fake rhino horns to try to stop poaching - Business Insider Nordic
 

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It might also be economically illiterate to ignore that legalizing the sale of ivory would likely boost demand for it and thus undo much of the price drop you're suggesting. Buffalo hunting was legal and a market didn't spring up to save them.

But generally speaking I agree with you. Farm them. Can you imagine a population of elephants in West Texas 1,000+ strong? That would be a sight to see.

The demand curve is what it is. Moving the supply curve wouldn't change that.

Or instead of needlessly killing them, use a 3d printer and biotechnology to print horns and flood the market with those.

A biotech startup is 3D-printing fake rhino horns to try to stop poaching - Business Insider Nordic

They don't need to be killed at all. They don't even need to be sedated. My wife was a rhino keeper and she's done the procedure several times. The rhinos are very well trained. All they need is bunch of apples and alfalfa hay (which is a treat as opposed to their standard diet of Timothy hay) and they'll let you take their horns off with a reciprocating saw. They grow back.

The male rhino had a habit of getting a bit too rough with the females so they had to keep his horn short at all times.
 
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The demand curve is what it is. Moving the supply curve wouldn't change that.



They don't need to be killed at all. They don't even need to be sedated. My wife was a rhino keeper and she's done the procedure several times. The rhinos are very well trained. All they need is bunch of apples and alfalfa hay (which is a treat as opposed to their standard diet of Timothy hay) and they'll let you take their horns off with a reciprocating saw. They grow back.

The male rhino had a habit of getting a bit too rough with the females so they had to keep his horn short at all times.

Meh... i dont think farms are the answer. They arent like sheep. The 3D printer route is a much more humane, cost effective and low intensive resource use method.
 

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Meh... i dont think farms are the answer. They arent like sheep. The 3D printer route is a much more humane, cost effective and low intensive resource use method.

I like the concept of simply disrupting the market with another more palatable option...
 

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Yeah.... watch ranchers pull the horns off of bulls sometime.

That's true. There's living tissue inside cattle horns and dehorning a bull is gory and painful. However, a rhino's nose horn is dead tissue... like a cross between nail material & compacted hair. It's like trimming a horse's hooves or cutting fingernails. The tusks of an elephant aren't living tissue either, until you get into the base. You can cut tusks and rhino horns without any blood or pain and they grow back.
 

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That's true. There's living tissue inside cattle horns and dehorning a bull is gory and painful. However, a rhino's nose horn is dead tissue... like a cross between nail material & compacted hair. It's like trimming a horse's hooves or cutting fingernails. The tusks of an elephant aren't living tissue either, until you get into the base. You can cut tusks and rhino horns without any blood or pain and they grow back.

That's neat to know. A buddy of mine lived on a farm so we went and "helped" his dad do that when we were 7 or 8. Damn the bulls get real pissed. The noise is also gross if my memory serves me correctly.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dem lawmaker introduces bill to fine men for masturbating to highlight anti-abortion laws' impact on women <a href="https://t.co/cxBJ0VoL4u">https://t.co/cxBJ0VoL4u</a> <a href="https://t.co/vAebBng4oO">pic.twitter.com/vAebBng4oO</a></p>— The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/841121916542947329">March 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Are you saying farms are inhumane? Or cutting the horn of farmed animals is inhumane?


Rhinos and elephants are not cows and they arent sheep and they are not domesticated. They require large areas of land and large amounts of resources and large amounts of time to mature and grow. "Farming" these animals will deprive them of space and freedom they require. Their life cycles are long and it takes a long time for the horns or tusks to grow back. The return on investment wont be there for farming these animals, then waiting many years for them to grow back in order to harvest again and i think as with most businesses of this nature, the animals well being is less than optimal and of low value.
 

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Rhinos and elephants are not cows and they arent sheep and they are not domesticated. They require large areas of land and large amounts of resources and large amounts of time to mature and grow. "Farming" these animals will deprive them of space and freedom they require. Their life cycles are long and it takes a long time for the horns or tusks to grow back. The return on investment wont be there for farming these animals, then waiting many years for them to grow back in order to harvest again and i think as with most businesses of this nature, the animals well being is less than optimal and of low value.

This as well as say fisheries and old growth forests are good examples of how traditional economic theory falls short when applied to natural resources management. Demand for these resources inevitably outstrips supply due to the often times erratic and long term nature of the developmental cycles of these resources and the ecosystems that sustain them.
 
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This as well as say fisheries and old growth forests are good examples of how traditional economic theory falls short when applied to natural resources management. Demand for these resources inevitably outstrips supply due to the often times erratic and long term nature of the developmental cycles of these resources and the ecosystems that sustain them.

Exactly. Playing economic games with resource managment always ends poorly for those resources that dont have quick life cycles or have exceptional value in markets.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dem lawmaker introduces bill to fine men for masturbating to highlight anti-abortion laws' impact on women <a href="https://t.co/cxBJ0VoL4u">https://t.co/cxBJ0VoL4u</a> <a href="https://t.co/vAebBng4oO">pic.twitter.com/vAebBng4oO</a></p>— The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/841121916542947329">March 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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smartest chick in the room...its really a consumption tax on something more important than booze or the NFL ticket to the demographic Obama care was trying to ape rape...this way they'd just gladly pay...Buh Bye national debt.
 

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The Atlantic's Peter Beinart just published an article titled "Breaking Faith":

Over the past decade, pollsters charted something remarkable: Americans—long known for their piety—were fleeing organized religion in increasing numbers. The vast majority still believed in God. But the share that rejected any religious affiliation was growing fast, rising from 6 percent in 1992 to 22 percent in 2014. Among Millennials, the figure was 35 percent.

Some observers predicted that this new secularism would ease cultural conflict, as the country settled into a near-consensus on issues such as gay marriage. After Barack Obama took office, a Center for American Progress report declared that “demographic change,” led by secular, tolerant young people, was “undermining the culture wars.” In 2015, the conservative writer David Brooks, noting Americans’ growing detachment from religious institutions, urged social conservatives to “put aside a culture war that has alienated large parts of three generations.”

That was naive. Secularism is indeed correlated with greater tolerance of gay marriage and pot legalization. But it’s also making America’s partisan clashes more brutal. And it has contributed to the rise of both Donald Trump and the so-called alt-right movement, whose members see themselves as proponents of white nationalism. As Americans have left organized religion, they haven’t stopped viewing politics as a struggle between “us” and “them.” Many have come to define us and them in even more primal and irreconcilable ways.

When pundits describe the Americans who sleep in on Sundays, they often conjure left-leaning hipsters. But religious attendance is down among Republicans, too. According to data assembled for me by the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI), the percentage of white Republicans with no religious affiliation has nearly tripled since 1990. This shift helped Trump win the GOP nomination. During the campaign, commentators had a hard time reconciling Trump’s apparent ignorance of Christianity and his history of pro-choice and pro-gay-rights statements with his support from evangelicals. But as Notre Dame’s Geoffrey Layman noted, “Trump does best among evangelicals with one key trait: They don’t really go to church.” A Pew Research Center poll last March found that Trump trailed Ted Cruz by 15 points among Republicans who attended religious services every week. But he led Cruz by a whopping 27 points among those who did not.

Why did these religiously unaffiliated Republicans embrace Trump’s bleak view of America more readily than their churchgoing peers? Has the absence of church made their lives worse? Or are people with troubled lives more likely to stop attending services in the first place? Establishing causation is difficult, but we know that culturally conservative white Americans who are disengaged from church experience less economic success and more family breakdown than those who remain connected, and they grow more pessimistic and resentful. Since the early 1970s, according to W. Bradford Wilcox, a sociologist at the University of Virginia, rates of religious attendance have fallen more than twice as much among whites without a college degree as among those who graduated college. And even within the white working class, those who don’t regularly attend church are more likely to suffer from divorce, addiction, and financial distress. As Wilcox explains, “Many conservative, Protestant white men who are only nominally attached to a church struggle in today’s world. They have traditional aspirations but often have difficulty holding down a job, getting and staying married, and otherwise forging real and abiding ties in their community. The culture and economy have shifted in ways that have marooned them with traditional aspirations unrealized in their real-world lives.”

The worse Americans fare in their own lives, the darker their view of the country. According to PRRI, white Republicans who seldom or never attend religious services are 19 points less likely than white Republicans who attend at least once a week to say that the American dream “still holds true.”

But non-churchgoing conservatives didn’t flock to Trump only because he articulated their despair. He also articulated their resentments. For decades, liberals have called the Christian right intolerant. When conservatives disengage from organized religion, however, they don’t become more tolerant. They become intolerant in different ways. Research shows that evangelicals who don’t regularly attend church are less hostile to gay people than those who do. But they’re more hostile to African Americans, Latinos, and Muslims. In 2008, the University of Iowa’s Benjamin Knoll noted that among Catholics, mainline Protestants, and born-again Protestants, the less you attended church, the more anti-immigration you were. (This may be true in Europe as well. A recent thesis at Sweden’s Uppsala University, by an undergraduate named Ludvig Bromé, compared supporters of the far-right Swedish Democrats with people who voted for mainstream candidates. The former were less likely to attend church, or belong to any other community organization.)

How might religious nonattendance lead to intolerance? Although American churches are heavily segregated, it’s possible that the modest level of integration they provide promotes cross-racial bonds. In their book, Religion and Politics in the United States, Kenneth D. Wald and Allison Calhoun-Brown reference a different theory: that the most-committed members of a church are more likely than those who are casually involved to let its message of universal love erode their prejudices.

Whatever the reason, when cultural conservatives disengage from organized religion, they tend to redraw the boundaries of identity, de-emphasizing morality and religion and emphasizing race and nation. Trump is both a beneficiary and a driver of that shift.

So is the alt-right. Read Milo Yiannopoulos and Allum Bokhari’s famous Breitbart.com essay, “An Establishment Conservative’s Guide to the Alt-Right.” It contains five references to “tribe,” seven to “race,” 13 to “the west” and “western” and only one to “Christianity.” That’s no coincidence. The alt-right is ultra-conservatism for a more secular age. Its leaders like Christendom, an old-fashioned word for the West. But they’re suspicious of Christianity itself, because it crosses boundaries of blood and soil. As a college student, the alt-right leader Richard Spencer was deeply influenced by Friedrich Nietzsche, who famously hated Christianity. Radix, the journal Spencer founded, publishes articles with titles like “Why I Am a Pagan.” One essay notes that “critics of Christianity on the Alternative Right usually blame it for its universalism.”

Secularization is transforming the left, too. In 1990, according to PRRI, slightly more than half of white liberals seldom or never attended religious services. Today the proportion is 73 percent. And if conservative nonattenders fueled Trump’s revolt inside the GOP, liberal nonattenders fueled Bernie Sanders’s insurgency against Hillary Clinton: While white Democrats who went to religious services at least once a week backed Clinton by 26 points, according to an April 2016 PRRI survey, white Democrats who rarely attended services backed Sanders by 13 points.

Sanders, like Trump, appealed to secular voters because he reflected their discontent. White Democrats who are disconnected from organized religion are substantially more likely than other white Democrats to call the American dream a myth. Secularism may not be the cause of this dissatisfaction, of course: It’s possible that losing faith in America’s political and economic system leads one to lose faith in organized religion. But either way, in 2016, the least religiously affiliated white Democrats—like the least religiously affiliated white Republicans—were the ones most likely to back candidates promising revolutionary change.

The decline of traditional religious authority is contributing to a more revolutionary mood within black politics as well. Although African Americans remain more likely than whites to attend church, religious disengagement is growing in the black community. African Americans under the age of 30 are three times as likely to eschew a religious affiliation as African Americans over 50. This shift is crucial to understanding Black Lives Matter, a Millennial-led protest movement whose activists often take a jaundiced view of established African American religious leaders. Brittney Cooper, who teaches women’s and gender studies as well as Africana studies at Rutgers, writes that the black Church “has been abandoned as the leadership model for this generation.” As Jamal Bryant, a minister at an AME church in Baltimore, told The Atlantic’s Emma Green, “The difference between the Black Lives Matter movement and the civil-rights movement is that the civil-rights movement, by and large, was first out of the Church.”

Black Lives Matter activists sometimes accuse the black Church of sexism, homophobia, and complacency in the face of racial injustice. For instance, Patrisse Cullors, one of the movement’s founders, grew up as a Jehovah’s Witness but says she became alienated by the fact that the elders were “all men.” In a move that faintly echoes the way some in the alt-right have traded Christianity for religious traditions rooted in pagan Europe, Cullors has embraced the Nigerian religion of Ifa. To be sure, her motivations are diametrically opposed to the alt-right’s. Cullors wants a spiritual foundation on which to challenge white, male supremacy; the pagans of the alt-right are looking for a spiritual basis on which to fortify it. But both are seeking religions rooted in racial ancestry and disengaging from Christianity—which, although profoundly implicated in America’s apartheid history, has provided some common vocabulary across the color line.

Critics say Black Lives Matter’s failure to employ Christian idiom undermines its ability to persuade white Americans. “The 1960s movement … had an innate respectability because our leaders often were heads of the black church,” Barbara Reynolds, a civil-rights activist and former journalist, wrote in The Washington Post. “Unfortunately, church and spirituality are not high priorities for Black Lives Matter, and the ethics of love, forgiveness and reconciliation that empowered black leaders such as King and Nelson Mandela in their successful quests to win over their oppressors are missing from this movement.” As evidence of “the power of the spiritual approach,” she cited the way family members of the parishioners murdered at Charleston’s Emanuel AME church forgave Dylann Roof for the crime, and thus helped persuade local politicians to remove the Confederate flag from South Carolina’s Capitol grounds.

Black Lives Matter’s defenders respond that they are not interested in making themselves “respectable” to white America, whether by talking about Jesus or wearing ties. (Of course, not everyone in the civil-rights movement was interested in respectability either.) That’s understandable. Reformists focus on persuading and forgiving those in power. Revolutionaries don’t.

Black Lives Matter activists may be justified in spurning an insufficiently militant Church. But when you combine their post-Christian perspective with the post-Christian perspective growing inside the GOP, it’s easy to imagine American politics becoming more and more vicious.

In his book Twilight of the Elites, the MSNBC host Chris Hayes divides American politics between “institutionalists,” who believe in preserving and adapting the political and economic system, and “insurrectionists,” who believe it’s rotten to the core. The 2016 election represents an extraordinary shift in power from the former to the latter. The loss of manufacturing jobs has made Americans more insurrectionist. So have the Iraq War, the financial crisis, and a black president’s inability to stop the police from killing unarmed African Americans. And so has disengagement from organized religion.

Maybe it’s the values of hierarchy, authority, and tradition that churches instill. Maybe religion builds habits and networks that help people better weather national traumas, and thus retain their faith that the system works. For whatever reason, secularization isn’t easing political conflict. It’s making American politics even more convulsive and zero-sum.

For years, political commentators dreamed that the culture war over religious morality that began in the 1960s and ’70s would fade. It has. And the more secular, more ferociously national and racial culture war that has followed is worse.
 

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Rhinos and elephants are not cows and they arent sheep and they are not domesticated. They require large areas of land and large amounts of resources and large amounts of time to mature and grow. "Farming" these animals will deprive them of space and freedom they require. Their life cycles are long and it takes a long time for the horns or tusks to grow back. The return on investment wont be there for farming these animals, then waiting many years for them to grow back in order to harvest again and i think as with most businesses of this nature, the animals well being is less than optimal and of low value.

You're right - too long, too costly to farm them, and not enough ROI to make it economically feasible. However, regularly harvesting horns & tusks from wild animals is economically viable since there's no cost other than tranquilizing and harvesting. Also, it would make the animals much less prone to poaching. Some African nations do just that to make the animals unattractive to poachers. If the sale of horn & ivory harvested this way was made legal, it would drive the price down and make poaching much less profitable and attractive.
 

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Rhinos and elephants are not cows and they arent sheep and they are not domesticated. They require large areas of land and large amounts of resources and large amounts of time to mature and grow. "Farming" these animals will deprive them of space and freedom they require. Their life cycles are long and it takes a long time for the horns or tusks to grow back. The return on investment wont be there for farming these animals, then waiting many years for them to grow back in order to harvest again and i think as with most businesses of this nature, the animals well being is less than optimal and of low value.
I'm not talking about making it a profitable business for the farmers. I'm talking about the conservation groups subsidizing the farms as a more effective way of protecting the species than militarized anti-poaching efforts.
 

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Markeith Loyd case: State attorney removed after anti-death penalty stance - CNN.com

Thoughts on the attorney for being reassigned for refusing to seek the death penalty?

I find this quote from the governor a little troubling. You can fight for justice without seeking the death penalty.
"[Ayala] has made it clear that she will not fight for justice and that is why I am using my executive authority to immediately reassign the case to State Attorney Brad King," Scott said. "These families deserve a state attorney who will aggressively prosecute Markeith Loyd to the fullest extent of the law and justice must be served."
 
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One of the more interesting and thought provoking documentaries I have seen in quite awhile:

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Last year many farmers chose to leave their corn on their stalks due to low corn prices.

U.S. farmers were one of the biggest beneficiaries of NAFTA, sending such large amounts of cheap corn to Mexixo, driving many of their farmers out of business.

With Trump threatening to renegotiate NAFTA to decrease a trade imbalance and bring back jobs to America, Mexico has threatened to stop importing U.S. corn. ($2.4 billion last year)

Paul Ryan wants to cut Food Stamps since he considers it a federal entitlement, while many Republican-controlled states have made it more difficult to qualify for the SNAP (Food Stamps) program.

Farm subsidies can similarly be considered an entitlement program, generally benefitting large, very profitable farms.

So, following through on their promises and philosophy, Reps are going to eliminate the Mexico market, end farm subsidies, reduce SNAP, which is another source of farmers' corn?

Eliminate tax credits too?

How agriculture subsidies are hurting farmers, taxpayers (The Hill)

Ten Things to Know about Farm Income and Deductions
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depending how you get your news, this story may be buried so far that you never saw it, or the source hasnt reported on it at all.

The premise is every leftists nightmare scenario; if they side with the illegal immigrant, they support the 'rape culture' that feminists/leftists like to spew. If they support the girl, they strengthen the immigration argument. it's a no win for leftists, and since they can't blame it on Putin or the Russians, they'd rather not talk about it at all.

Lawyer for accused Rockville High School rapist says sex with 14-year-old girl was consensual - Story | WTTG


https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...27c98455440_story.html?utm_term=.0991c66bba50
 
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depending how you get your news, this story may be buried so far that you never saw it, or the source hasnt reported on it at all.

The premise is every leftists nightmare scenario; if they side with the illegal immigrant, they support the 'rape culture' that feminists/leftists like to spew. If they support the girl, they strengthen the immigration argument. it's a no win for leftists, and since they can't blame it on Putin or the Russians, they'd rather not talk about it at all.

Lawyer for accused Rockville High School rapist says sex with 14-year-old girl was consensual - Story | WTTG


https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...27c98455440_story.html?utm_term=.0991c66bba50

Says leftists don't want to talk about it....links an article from the Washington Post. WUT. Dude check out the "Most Read" section to the right of the article, it's #1 right now. So either the Washington Post isn't one of two main sources of "leftist news," or it is information that is being discussed.

Either way, I'll talk about it.

The problem with highlighting any of these specific crimes is that federal policy governs 320,000,000+ people. Horrific incidents like this don't really mean much put up against data.

From the conservative CATO institute (ya know, the think tank founded by a Koch brother..):

Our headline finding is that both illegal immigrants and legal immigrants have incarceration rates far below those of native-born Americans—at 0.85 percent, 0.47 percent, and 1.53 percent, respectively. Excluding illegal immigrants who are incarcerated or in detention for immigration offenses lowers their incarceration rate to 0.5 percent of their population—within a smidge of legal immigrants. As a result, native-born Americans are overrepresented in the incarcerated population while illegal and legal immigrants are underrepresented, relative to their respective shares of the population.

And they wisely point out that when dumbo Trumpeters claim there are tens of millions more undocumented illegal immigrants, that it lowers the number even further:

Without adjusting for age, a total illegal immigrant population of 22 million would lower their incarceration rate to 0.56 percent using Cato’s estimate of the size of the incarcerated illegal immigrant population. Using the higher (and sillier) 36 million illegal immigrant population estimate by Ann Coulter lowers their incarceration rate to 0.34 percent.

https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-myths-crime-number-illegal-immigrants

So it's really hard for me to think stories like this should drive policy or that it's okay for Trump to brand them as rapists or state that crime is going through the roof. I'm sure there were rapes by legal Cuban immigrants from the 1960s onward, now it's a proud Conservative voting block in Florida so we don't hear about that.
 
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depending how you get your news, this story may be buried so far that you never saw it, or the source hasnt reported on it at all.

The premise is every leftists nightmare scenario; if they side with the illegal immigrant, they support the 'rape culture' that feminists/leftists like to spew. If they support the girl, they strengthen the immigration argument. it's a no win for leftists, and since they can't blame it on Putin or the Russians, they'd rather not talk about it at all.

Lawyer for accused Rockville High School rapist says sex with 14-year-old girl was consensual - Story | WTTG


https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...27c98455440_story.html?utm_term=.0991c66bba50

Consensual...as in she didn't stab or shoot them...she just screamed????

I mean I guess its possible, and innocent until proven guilty...but what other play do their defense attorneys have right now? They are going after the "she asked for it defense"...

I'd say deport them and be done...but they'd be back, and hang out in some fugitive harboring sanctuary city. Best thing to do right now is prosecute them, and if found guilty, jail them until the loony border and sanctuary city shit is resolved.
 
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