Politics

[phgreek]

pretty much my general feelings on anything government related these days...

...haha...yea, I suppose so...

 

[Cackalacky]

That is a cool concept. How does the cost compare to buying from the store?

Some of the buy-local/delivery concepts have looked expensive to me and tend to load you up on crap nobody eats (i.e. kale and beets). Also annoying that the farmer market is a lot more expensive than grocery store most of the time. If I'm supposedly buying wholesale without the storefront overhead I expect it to cost less, especially in bulk.

The livestock thing is well worth the cost of a deep freeze. Good stuff.

Our spring share for me and my wife was $200 ea. so $100 a month for a good amount of fruits and vegetables and occasionally eggs. We pick up each week. I love kale though..haha so I get as much as I can get.

I am a fairly decent butcher and it's definitely cheaper to get the bulk.

 

[phgreek]

Our spring share for me and my wife was $200 ea. so $100 a month for a good amount of fruits and vegetables and occasionally eggs. We pick up each week. I love kale though..haha so I get as much as I can get.

I am a fairly decent butcher and it's definitely cheaper to get the bulk.

I'm designing a shop. Included is a walk in cooler. I want to accommodate aging and butchering/processing....any ideas on size/layout?

 

[Cackalacky]

I'm designing a shop. Included is a walk in cooler. I want to accommodate aging and butchering/processing....any ideas on size/layout?

Sorry man. Not so much on the layout. I meant just breaking stuff down. My bud is a butcher and he has all kinds of equipment I wouldn't know the first thing about using. I got a used stainless steel table with a sink at a restaurant supply store that i use at home. That along with a cleaver and my Wustoffs I pretty much am set.

 

[Bluto]

Our house in Redlands had grass in the front and back. I love my water bill now that I am in Southern AZ with only a few trees (for shade during the summer) and a couple of flowers to water.

Have you been to Taliesin West?

 

[Bluto]

Not looking to good for the US.

Cool map. It also helps explain why the Anasazi and the people who built Chaco Canyon put eggs in their shoes and beat it way back when.

Lost Coast is looking pretty good.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I would hope that by 2050 we have fusion down and are desalinating water cheaply.

 

[Cackalacky]

I would hope that by 2050 we have fusion down and are desalinating water cheaply.

I would like to think so but there had better be a profit in it or its not worth doing, amirite?

 

[Wild Bill]

I would like to think so but there had better be a profit in it or its not worth doing, amirite?

you rite.

 

[phgreek]

I would like to think so but there had better be a profit in it or its not worth doing, amirite?

I was hoping the Navy would get that down. Looks like they did some stuff in 2012. For those interested, here is some of the research being done by various government agencies.

https://www.sbir.gov/sbirsearch/award/all/desalination


And yea...this program is specifically set up to use government investment to spur innovation and commercialization...ie profit

 

[phgreek]

Sorry man. Not so much on the layout. I meant just breaking stuff down. My bud is a butcher and he has all kinds of equipment I wouldn't know the first thing about using. I got a used stainless steel table with a sink at a restaurant supply store that i use at home. That along with a cleaver and my Wustoffs I pretty much am set.

...cool. Great skill.

I see various walk in coolers at going out of business sales and auctions...already broken down. Just trying to figure a reasonable size and layout for a one man band so to speak. I guess I'll look around...see what others are doing.

 

[connor_in]

ph...I think I remember you now...

 

[IrishJayhawk]

If this really has been going on........just wow.

Shock Video Catches Planned Parenthood's Top Doctor Selling Body Parts of Aborted Babies | LifeNews.com

Here's one response to the article.

No, Planned Parenthood Is Not Selling Aborted Fetal Body Parts

The video itself opens with a short clip of former Planned Parenthood president Gloria Feldt that is edited to give the appearance of condemning the recorded conversation that follows. But the 20/20 segment on which Feldt appears is actually an investigation into abuses made by private sector “tissue and organ procurement companies.” And Feldt even went on to later affirm that “Planned Parenthood supports research using fetal tissue in accordance with legal and ethical guidelines and are deeply concerned about the attempt by some to profit from the humanitarian contributions of courageous women.”

In other words, this is a case of words being taken grossly out of context. Planned Parenthood is doing nothing even remotely shady here, nor are they doing something they haven’t publicly discussed before on multiple occasions.

 

[woolybug25]

Here's one response to the article.

No, Planned Parenthood Is Not Selling Aborted Fetal Body Parts

It also was... as expected... a gross misrepresentation of the actual meeting. They also manufactured a narrative by cherry picking pieces of a 2 hour and 42 minute meeting into a 51 second clip.

In the longer version of the video, she continues: "It just has to do with space issues, are you sending someone there who is going to be doing everything or is their staff going to be doing it, what exactly are they going to be doing, is there shipping involved or is someone coming to pick it up?"

She doesn't specifically say that price is for the purchase of the tissue, but the comment troubled bioethicist Art Caplan of New York University, who said it sounds like Planned Parenthood might be trying to make a profit.

But Planned Parenthood said it makes no profit.

"In some instances, actual costs, such as the cost to transport tissue to leading research centers, are reimbursed, which is standard across the medical field," it said.

The organization said it takes tissue donations with "full, appropriate consent from patients and under the highest ethical and legal standard."

Planned Parenthood exec, fetal body parts in video - CNN.com

Seems like an organization hell bent on trying to take down Planned Parenthood, regardless of how it's done. Even if that means trying to manufacture a crime. If everything comes out that this group purposely tried to setup a fictitious crime, then Planned Parenthood should sue them for libel.

 

[Bluto]

I was hoping the Navy would get that down. Looks like they did some stuff in 2012. For those interested, here is some of the research being done by various government agencies.

https://www.sbir.gov/sbirsearch/award/all/desalination


And yea...this program is specifically set up to use government investment to spur innovation and commercialization...ie profit

Biggest problem with desalinization for muncipal use is that you're trying to reverse the hydrologic cycle and pump everything back uphill. The only viable power source to do that at the scales people are talking about is nuclear. Having nuclear power plants in earthquake and or hurricane prone areas (i.e) pretty much the entire coastline of the U.S. presents some major problems ala Fukashima.

We could try towing icebergs like Marin County was thinking of doing back in the 70's. The trucking costs to A Camps pool would be kind of steep though.

 

[woolybug25]

We could try towing icebergs like Marin County was thinking of doing back in the 70's. The trucking costs to A Camps pool would kind of steep though.

Plus... that water temp would be totally unacceptable to Acamp's standards.

 

[ACamp1900]

I can always flip the switch I use to siphon energy from my neighbors' to heat my water, works for everything else... and the shipping costs can be spread out on every American's tax bill...

I'm lovin this redistributionist utopia stuff.

 

[ACamp1900]

Also, in large part because of the funny pics thread, I have decided I need a pet otter... maybe I can write that off as some kid of research bs, like the effects of excess watermelon and fresh, heated water on native otter populations or something... cack can pay for the otter.

 

[Ndaccountant]

It also was... as expected... a gross misrepresentation of the actual meeting. They also manufactured a narrative by cherry picking pieces of a 2 hour and 42 minute meeting into a 51 second clip.



Planned Parenthood exec, fetal body parts in video - CNN.com

Seems like an organization hell bent on trying to take down Planned Parenthood, regardless of how it's done. Even if that means trying to manufacture a crime. If everything comes out that this group purposely tried to setup a fictitious crime, then Planned Parenthood should sue them for libel.

I would agree.

If you lift up enough stones, you are bound to find some nasty critters. In the case of PP, I am sure there are some skeletons and they will be hunted down due to the controversial nature of the organization. This just doesn't appear to be it. More than anything, it will serve as a reminder that aborted tissue is beings extracted and used for other purposes along with a description of how that tissue is extracted. Some will be okay with that, some will not. But it will certainly be a lively discussion.

 

[woolybug25]

Also, in large part because of the funny pics thread, I have decided I need a pet otter... maybe I can write that off as some kid of research bs, like the effects of excess watermelon and fresh, heated water on native otter populations or something... cack can pay for the otter.

What about a seal? I mean, we could be talking about some real efficiencies here is they simply rope a couple of those critters off of the back of the iceberg and bring them with.

 

[phgreek]

Biggest problem with desalinization for muncipal use is that you're trying to reverse the hydrologic cycle and pump everything back uphill. The only viable power source to do that at the scales people are talking about is nuclear. Having nuclear power plants in earthquake and or hurricane prone areas (i.e) pretty much the entire coastline of the U.S. presents some major problems ala Fukashima.

We could try towing icebergs like Marin County was thinking of doing back in the 70's. The trucking costs to A Camps pool would kind of steep though.

water does seem a bitch from an electrochemical perspective...no doubt. I often wandered about a biochemical approach, where your "engine" is a self propagating bug...kinda like those used in land farms to eat oil sludge...who knows. Tons of really smart folks doing incredible things. I also would not rule out coming across the answer by accident trying to solve some other problem...

EDIT: wouldn't ya know, folks are seriously looking at bacteria ... see the last section of the page.

Eight Technologies for Drinkable Seawater - IEEE Spectrum

 

[phgreek]

ph...I think I remember you now...

YES! That Room rocks...but thats not me...I'm not that, uhm...Dainty with the clever...

 

[connor_in]

It also was... as expected... a gross misrepresentation of the actual meeting. They also manufactured a narrative by cherry picking pieces of a 2 hour and 42 minute meeting into a 51 second clip.



Planned Parenthood exec, fetal body parts in video - CNN.com

Seems like an organization hell bent on trying to take down Planned Parenthood, regardless of how it's done. Even if that means trying to manufacture a crime. If everything comes out that this group purposely tried to setup a fictitious crime, then Planned Parenthood should sue them for libel.

Just FYI...here is the full video...

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/H4UjIM9B9KQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[GoldenDome]

One of my favorite restaurants! Craft LA

 

[GoldenDome]

Lovely bunch of Confederate flag supporters.

KKK members rally | Reuters.com

 

[pkt77242]

I-10 in California closed after bridge collapses

I drive this stretch of road a few times a year. When are we going to tackle our aging infastructure?

 

[NDgradstudent]

Seems like an organization hell bent on trying to take down Planned Parenthood, regardless of how it's done. Even if that means trying to manufacture a crime. If everything comes out that this group purposely tried to setup a fictitious crime, then Planned Parenthood should sue them for libel.

It is hell bent on taking down Planned Parenthood, because PP is a foul organization that receives hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer money. I do not understand why liberals are embarrassed about this. What do you find objectionable about selling bits of fetuses? Isn't it just medical waste on the pro-abortion view, no different from hair or fingernails?

 

[phgreek]

It is hell bent on taking down Planned Parenthood, because PP is a foul organization that receives hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer money. I do not understand why liberals are embarrassed about this. What do you find objectionable about selling bits of fetuses? Isn't it just medical waste on the pro-abortion view, no different from hair or fingernails?

I have to say, it is a little unnerving to listen to this woman talk about choosing where to crush a Fetus to kill it. Beyond the ethical issues with doing that (no longer putting the patient first), it is an awful thought...which is why I'm sure rabid pro-choice folks don't want any understanding of what happens in an abortion.

The thing I have a hard time with is the COMPLETE lack of compassion...understanding that at ten weeks a fetus can feel pain. So it is likely if a baby has heart and lungs they feel the crush, and we allow folks to crush them with little concern.

I'm not a raging pro-life person. I understand there are always instances where a fetus should be taken...but the barbarism displayed by practitioners and their supporters in this field is unsettling.

Putting aside the issue of wrongful conviction, and killing innocent people on death row...it seems more somber, and is given far more consideration when we kill someone via lethal injection. IMHO, thats just effed up.

 

[pkt77242]

It is hell bent on taking down Planned Parenthood, because PP is a foul organization that receives hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer money. I do not understand why liberals are embarrassed about this. What do you find objectionable about selling bits of fetuses? Isn't it just medical waste on the pro-abortion view, no different from hair or fingernails?

I am tired of hearing this, they are not selling it. They are donating the body parts to research facilities and receiving reimbursement for the cost of shipping. Look $30-100 for human organs would be beyond cheap as human organs literally go for $1000s. What do you expect them to do mail it via USPS? Shipping organs is expensive if you want them to still be usable for research. Can you tell me why we shouldn't be using the organs for research, or using whatever body parts we can from it, since the fetus is dying anyways?

 

[pkt77242]

I have to say, it is a little unnerving to listen to this woman talk about choosing where to crush a Fetus to kill it. Beyond the ethical issues with doing that (no longer putting the patient first), it is an awful thought...which is why I'm sure rabid pro-choice folks don't want any understanding of what happens in an abortion.

The thing I have a hard time with is the COMPLETE lack of compassion...understanding that at ten weeks a fetus can feel pain. So it is likely if a baby has heart and lungs they feel the crush, and we allow folks to crush them with little concern.

I'm not a raging pro-life person. I understand there are always instances where a fetus should be taken...but the barbarism displayed by practitioners and their supporters in this field is unsettling.

Putting aside the issue of wrongful conviction, and killing innocent people on death row...it seems more somber, and is given far more consideration when we kill someone via lethal injection. IMHO, thats just effed up.

I think that the Doctor came off as (and very well might be) very callous during the interview. Having said that she is a doctor talking about a procedure and I have seen many doctors talk about things that people might find disturbing but that because they see it every day they talk about it very clinically and coldly. Also if you don't that it becomes hard to get through the day and you can't let it get to you otherwise you wouldn't last very long at it. I do agree that taking care of the patient should be the primary goal but if you can safely take care of the patient and still harvest their organs for research, why not? We do it with other people when they die (well they usually get donated to individuals who need that organ). After all the women is signing paperwork allowing them to do it.