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  • Obama

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Romney

    Votes: 172 48.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 46 13.1%
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RDU Irish

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Well said Cack and Bill. We boil down the actual issues surrounding student loans and we all start agreeing. I think feds subsidizing student loans is a good endeavor, just like the SBA creates opportunity for those banks otherwise would not lend money to. It helps level the playing field of the haves vs. have-nots. When you read these articles about the intense debate over student loans and the amount of "savings" they wrangle over is less than $10 billion while we spend a trillion in the middle east or a "stimulus" it is just short of laughable. Just like everything else in government, the potential for dramatically improving bang for buck is off the charts.

Politicians suck.
 

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Dayton blunt in MN forum: Anyone who can’t accept immigrants ‘should find another state’

By Vicki Ikeogu

ST. CLOUD — Harsh words and heartfelt sentiment were exchanged by community members and local officials on racial issues in Central Minnesota at the St. Cloud NAACP Community Conversation with Gov. Mark Dayton...Dayton bluntly stated his opinions on the racial tension in St. Cloud and across the state in regards to immigration.

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“Our economy cannot expand based on white, B+, Minnesota-born citizens. We don’t have enough,” Dayton said.

Who is the government being run to benefit? Citizens, or foreigners? We know the answer, but they usually aren't so explicit about it.

Still, it is good to know what Dayton thinks of regular Americans. The real issue? There aren't enough "white, B+, Minnesota-born citizens" to buy the garbage peddled by his family's company!
 

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Forget any specific policy,... but I think it's clear that those who feel the gov should have the priority of helping as many average American citizens as possible has basically gotten the middle finger from both parties for a very long time now...
 

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Tonight's South Park, epic truthful ripping, very social commentary...
 

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Who has received their renewal for insurance in 2016?

The ACA is sure not doing what it was "promised" when it was pitched to the American public. After going up tremendously last year (and our company shopped and actually changed to a cheaper rate from another company) we are seeing another jump.

In Network Deductible up $100, Out-of Network up $600. Out-of-Pocket in network up $500, and out-of-network up $2,500. All copays went up and now are mostly based on percentages and not an actual number i.e. $20. My monthly contribution out of my paycheck also went up.

This shit is truly becoming unaffordable for most of the middle class. They wonder why retail sales are declining. After you buy milk and eggs, pay for gas and then your healthcare the middle class let alone anyone below has no f'n money at the end of the month.

I was also visiting a customer today that is a good size family owned business (100+ employees) and they just were going over their employee insurance program. Their rates are going up so much they have their agent searching for other options. If they are not able to come up with a better alternative, they will probably have to layoff employees. The sad thing is they told me they have not laid off one employee since the recession started. In essence, the ACA is doing to some businesses what the recession did not.
 

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In libertarian capitalism, there are no commons. If you pollute "society's" lake, no one can stop you. If you pollute MY lake, I sue you.

Who's gonna own Lake Michigan? The Pacific Ocean? The Mississippi River? The Rio Grande? The air currents above "your lake"? To what height? How would one delineate and determine how much "pollution" is acceptable? How does one determine the point source of any said pollution that contaminates "your lake"? If it was carried via wind currents from say China do you then personally take on the Chinese government?
 
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Who's gonna own Lake Michigan? The Pacific Ocean? The Mississippi River? The Rio Grande? The air currents above "your lake"? To what height? How would one delineate and determine how much "pollution" is acceptable? How does one determine the point source of any said pollution that contaminates "your lake"? If it was carried via wind currents from say China do you then personally take on the Chinese government?

Its like talking to a child.
 
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Cackalacky

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Who has received their renewal for insurance in 2016?

The ACA is sure not doing what it was "promised" when it was pitched to the American public. After going up tremendously last year (and our company shopped and actually changed to a cheaper rate from another company) we are seeing another jump.

In Network Deductible up $100, Out-of Network up $600. Out-of-Pocket in network up $500, and out-of-network up $2,500. All copays went up and now are mostly based on percentages and not an actual number i.e. $20. My monthly contribution out of my paycheck also went up.

This shit is truly becoming unaffordable for most of the middle class. They wonder why retail sales are declining. After you buy milk and eggs, pay for gas and then your healthcare the middle class let alone anyone below has no f'n money at the end of the month.

I was also visiting a customer today that is a good size family owned business (100+ employees) and they just were going over their employee insurance program. Their rates are going up so much they have their agent searching for other options. If they are not able to come up with a better alternative, they will probably have to layoff employees. The sad thing is they told me they have not laid off one employee since the recession started. In essence, the ACA is doing to some businesses what the recession did not.

I don't think I have had much change at in my plans minus th etypical premium increases every other year. They have been pretty steady. I have had BCBS for ten years now. Plus even after changes from the ACA my real total OOP has not changed at all. I expect about $8K a year in medical bills between visits, meds etc... and I have not seen any changes. I wonder if its the market adjusting itself? Interesting.
 

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ObamaCare’s latest victims: 100,000 New Yorkers and taxpayers everywhere | New York Post

"Bad news for New Yorkers, thanks to ObamaCare: More than 100,000 policyholders just learned that their Health Republic insurance plans will be canceled on Dec. 31. The start-up insurer (spun off from the Freelancers’ Union) is hemorrhaging red ink and has to close down."

"Across the nation, 21 out of the 23 co-ops are either shut down already or losing money."
 

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Obamacare: so affordable that the uninsured would rather pay the penalty rather than enroll in it. Amazing.

ObamaCare is entering its dreaded ‘death spiral’ | New York Post

"Despite subsidies to help with premiums and out-of-pocket costs, most of the uninsured who are eligible for ObamaCare are saying “no thanks.” Only one in seven is expected to sign up. That’s despite a hefty increase in the financial penalty next year for not having insurance."

But Obamacare is "for the people" and only Democrats "really care about the poor and uninsured." What a joke.
 

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Who's gonna own Lake Michigan? The Pacific Ocean? The Mississippi River? The Rio Grande? The air currents above "your lake"? To what height? How would one delineate and determine how much "pollution" is acceptable? How does one determine the point source of any said pollution that contaminates "your lake"? If it was carried via wind currents from say China do you then personally take on the Chinese government?

also interested
 

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The Week's Michael Brendan Dougherty just published an article titled "The withering of GOP economic thought":

Republicans are out of ideas on the economy. Or at least, they're out of ideas that will do them any good politically.

There are, of course, still a few bright spots. For instance, simplifying and lowering the corporate tax rate remains a legible GOP policy goal, and possibly one that could be sold to the public. But on the taxes paid by individuals and families, on the benefits paid out by the government, and on the basic structure of America's political economy, for some time now, the traditional Republican playbook on economic issues has been almost exhausted.

Wednesday night's debate — which was specifically cast by CNBC as being about the economy — only added to the evidence that GOP offerings on this topic are wholly insufficient. There's the banal, like raising the age for eligibility for Medicare and Social Security, which Rand Paul mentioned. Sometimes it is crankish, like Ted Cruz's demand for 'sound money.' Or just gimmicky, like Carly Fiorina's three-page tax code. Republicans are just trying to fiddle with the few dials they have left, and no one is satisfied. This is a party that simply does not know how to address the economic issues that the vast majority of non-rich Americans care about.

The 2016 race is hardly an aberration. Four years ago, Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney was most comfortable talking to and about entrepreneurs, and his notorious comments about the 47 percent of voters who are "takers" certainly did not help him win the downwardly mobile whites who can and sometimes do swing Republican in states like Ohio, Virginia, and Pennsylvania.

How did we get here? On tax cuts, Republicans are partly the victims of their own success. Republican presidencies, and the Republican revolution in Congress, have cut a whole lot of taxes, consistently taking more and more families and households "off the rolls" of taxpayer. In fact, Republicans have done as much as Democrats to create a country in which millions of people receive more in benefits than they pay in. That means almost every future GOP-proposed tax cut that is aimed at individuals or households will, by logical necessity, "cut taxes for the richest Americans" and "do nothing for the poor." That doesn't play well in Toledo.

As Ramesh Ponnuru pointed out, Jeb Bush's proposed tax plan has cuts and trims that the Tax Foundation believes would raise middle-class incomes by nearly three percent. But the effect on high incomes would be nearly quadruple that. And, given the demographic realities of the party, these tax cuts end up helping rich white liberal voters more than downscale conservative families. That's why Bush has to promise that his plan will magically create four percent growth in the economy, something he only accomplished in Florida during a major housing bubble.

Perhaps the worst idea, floated at various times by Rand Paul, Ben Carson, and Ted Cruz, is to begin adding more citizens back onto the nation's split check through a flat tax. Some, like Paul, would get rid of the payroll tax as a partial sop to this constituency. And the less said about Mike Huckabee's consumption tax plan, the Fair Tax, the better. Needless to say, whatever the claims these candidates make about revenue, the reality of their plans is that they will amount to a massive tax increase on the poorest Americans.

Somewhere, Hillary Clinton is salivating over the prospect of pointing this out at a debate next fall.

Another problem for Republicans who claim to want to simplify the tax code: Middle-class Americans really like their tax loopholes, or at least have organized their life plans around them. They see the mortgage interest rate deduction as the only way of affording a mortgage payment. They see the loophole that their employer uses to compensate them in a health insurance plan as the only way to provide good health care to their families. They see the state income tax deduction as the only thing that makes living in high-tax states remotely affordable. And so on.

Further, Republicans will find no obvious solutions in monetary policy, both because they cannot control it, and there is little to be done. Interest rates are so low and have been for so long that the common definition of "saving for the future" in America has been changed to "investing" or "buying appreciable assets." Americans now put away money for the future by buying securities or real estate. There's no stimulus left in that tank of liberating savings to more productive use, until the National Guard comes a knockin' to open our change jars.

Republican economic thinking has also withered when it has come to balancing budgets. That means that despite Tea Party protestations, most Republican lawmakers not named Paul Ryan care about budget deficits much, much less than they once did. And that's if they care at all. Democrats don't care as much either. But it hurts Republicans more.

Reality will force us to care, someday. The moment interest rates do start to rise, the interest payments on America's national debt will take significantly larger bites out of the annual budget. Presumably this would force Congress to make significant cuts to spending somewhere. But why presume anything.

Of all the GOP economic plans out there, the only one that seems to begin untying the Republican knot — how to pay for government, not strangle growth, and change the code to help Republican constituencies — is the one promoted by Sens. Marco Rubio and Mike Lee. Their proposal lowers rates modestly at the top, reduces the number of tax brackets, and dramatically expands the child credit, making it applicable to payroll taxes as well as income taxes. Overall, their plan reduces the tax increases that come with moving from one tax bracket to a higher one, especially for married couples with children.

But it only solves a few urgent needs for the GOP. Yes, it offers a package of reform that has tangible benefits to constituencies that might vote Republican. And yes, it moves some tax burden away from younger workers at the early stages of forming families. But it doesn't close the persistent gap between what the government collects and what it is already committed to spending. And consequently, it does nothing to hedge against the rate hikes that would immediately turn our national debt into a pressing budget disaster.

In other words, even the best ideas on economic policy reform in the GOP are, at best, only a very modest beginning.

And here's the NYT's Ross Douthat with a similar article titled "The GOP's Economic Policy Problem":

I don’t have any disagreements with the conventional wisdom that last night’s Republican debate was good for Marco Rubio and very, very bad for poor Jeb Bush. But since it was allegedly an economic policy debate, it seems worth talking a little bit about what we saw from the candidates on policy substance, and what that says about where the G.O.P. stands entering the presidential year. Here I’ll begin with the analysis offered from the left, from Slate’s Jamelle Bouie:

… where is the Republican Party on growth, wages, and economic security?

The same place it’s always been. As with Mitt Romney’s campaign in 2012, the signature policy plan for every Republican candidate is a tax cut. “… We need somebody who can balance budgets, cut taxes,” said Ohio Gov. John Kasich, touting his record. “We’re reducing taxes to 15 percent. We’re bringing corporate taxes down, bringing money back in, corporate inversions,” said Donald Trump. “Growth is the answer,” declared Cruz. “And as Reagan demonstrated, if we cut taxes, we can bring back growth.” And the cuts are meant for high earners. Under Rubio’s plan, for example, the government wouldn’t tax income from dividends and capital gains, largely benefiting the wealthiest Americans. And while Rubio includes measures that benefit the bottom 10 percent of income earners, the overall effect of his supply-side cuts is to tilt the tax code toward the top at an even greater angle than exists now.

There’s more: Gov. Chris Christie called for Social Security benefit cuts and demogogued the program as broke (despite all evidence to the contrary) while Sen. Rand Paul and Ben Carson pitched the audience on their plans to slash Medicare benefits. Carson called for a flat tax, Cruz praised “sound money” and the gold standard, and Carly Fiorina attacked the federal minimum wage as unconstitutional. Candidates talked about their modest upbringings but couldn’t articulate plans for reducing student loans and debt. At most, Kasich pointed to online education, Bush pointed to “accountability,” and Rubio promised more vocational training.

In short, despite years of decrying Romney’s “47 percent” remarks, Republicans have stuck with the underlying idea: that the government does too much to redistribute wealth to low- and middle-income Americans, and too little to assist the richest citizens.

I’m afraid that mostly this seems right. The post-Romney Republicans really have changed some of their rhetoric: There’s been relatively little “makers vs. takers” material on the debate stage thus far, somewhat fewer “you built that” plaints for the long-suffering entrepreneurs, and more expressions of solidarity with people going paycheck to paycheck. The candidates also talk a little more about crony capitalism, though they aren’t long on examples of what they’d do about it. (Here it’s unfortunate that Rick Perry, who actually had an interesting financial reform plan, departed the race so early … though the CNBC anchors didn’t even ask about financial regulation last night so maybe it wouldn’t have mattered!) And on entitlement reform, an area where I think the would-be benefit cutters are right, the party’s pro-reform politicians have gotten somewhat better about framing reform in terms of means-testing and having upper-income seniors pay a little more (rather than stressing, say, the alleged unconstitutionality of Social Security), even as an explicitly anti-reform caucus has emerged in the form of Huckabee and Trump.

But overall it really is quite striking how little most of the candidates are offering on economic policy that strays from the “Saint Reagan as interpreted by the hierarchy of the Wall Street Journal” party baseline … and how much tax policy, especially, remains a race to the supply-side extreme, with Ted Cruz’s ten percent flat tax just the latest iteration in this pattern. For all the talk (from me, among others) about his candidacy as a proving ground for libertarian populism, Rand Paul has mostly just sounded like a very conventional government-cutter; for all his past forays into “opportunity conservatism,” Cruz is now as deep into supply-side cloud-cuckoo land on taxes as Ben Carson — about whose tax policy “ideas” the less said the better. (Though Peter Suderman says the necessary things.) The result, as Ramesh Ponnuru pointed out in a National Review essay explaining why Hillary Clinton’s odds are still quite good, is that Republicans as a party “have very little in the way of popular policy proposals to counter the appeal of liberalism, and they often “do not seem to be even trying to erode the Democratic advantage on middle-class economics.”

The only exceptions, in different ways, are Trump and Rubio: Trump with his populist-nationalist case on trade and immigration and protecting entitlements, and Rubio on several different fronts at once, including education reform, a wage-subsidizing safety-net reform, a Social Security reform that isn’t just the “benefit cuts and private accounts” Republican usual, and his heterodox embrace of the child tax credit and a 35 (as opposed to 28 … or 17 … or 10!) percent top income tax rate.

Fortunately for Republicans, Rubio might well be their nominee! But even if he is, the middle-class problem is still there, because — as his much-controverted exchange with John Harwood last night suggested – even his tax plan relies on impossible deficit math while delivering very large benefits, in absolute and percentage terms alike, to people who make most of their money from investments. It’s not as much of a political problem as it would be if he were running on Cruz’s plan instead, Rubio’s larger suite of policies (and political skills) might mask some of his tax plan’s weaknesses, and he’s already started revising the plan with an eye toward addressing some of its initial problems. But the revisions have been modest, and if he makes it to the general election he can expect to be hit again and again and again for offering deficit-financed tax cuts for the very rich; on that front, at least, he too is still a little too imprisoned by his party’s habits of mind for his own political good.
 

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Senator Fred Thompson, Dead At 73 - CINEMABLEND


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He was a good man. I was stationed on the USS Enterprise during the filming of "Hunt for Red October" and had the opportunity to interview him. The actual interview took about 30 minutes, but he stuck around for another hour or so and we chatted. He was a perfect gentleman and went on and on about how impressed he was impressed with the men who served aboard the aircraft carrier. Alec Baldwin, on the other hand, was a complete douche.

Thompson said went into acting as a hobby, having made his bones in the legal profession. I learned during my interview with him that he was on Nixon's legal team during the Watergate hearings. He was a very smart dude, and put people at ease when he talked to them. Hard to believe he was only 73. I would have guessed mid 80s.

RIP.
 

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Wow...I get disagreeing with his politcs and not liking him being a pitchman for this product...but putting this in your media organization's announcement of his death...classy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Actor, former senator, and predatory home refinancing shill Fred Thompson dead at 73 <a href="https://t.co/9ARDb27KbC">https://t.co/9ARDb27KbC</a></p>— Gawker (@Gawker) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gawker/status/660966425109078016">November 1, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Wow...I get disagreeing with his politcs and not liking him being a pitchman for this product...but putting this in your media organization's announcement of his death...classy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Actor, former senator, and predatory home refinancing shill Fred Thompson dead at 73 <a href="https://t.co/9ARDb27KbC">https://t.co/9ARDb27KbC</a></p>— Gawker (@Gawker) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gawker/status/660966425109078016">November 1, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Their entire article on Torii Hunter's retirement was dedicated to the time he said some intolerant stuff about homosexuals. That's why we don't link Gawker stuff here... they are garbage of the highest order.
 
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