Politics

[Rhode Irish]

Bog - Your previous post was pretty good. It would be nice to discuss issues. I tried that and didn't really gather much from the opposition other than they think smart people should be given a blank check to do whatever they think is best for the ignorant masses, and anyone who questions that is an ignorant fool who needs to be saved from themselves. Sorry, I am not ignorant enough to miss your personal attack.

It's funny, because I feel the same way. A page or so back I wrote a moderately lengthy post about tax policy which was completely ignored. Then last night I express frustration with the know-nothingness and anti-intellectual posture of the leaders of the conservative movement (meaning Rush and Hannity, not you guys on this board) and I ended up in a protracted argument in which I was defending myself against accusations of psychological defect. And that quickly devolved into a discussion I really didn't want to be in about which voters are smarter. I regret that the conversation went there. I do not dismiss people with views that differ than mine as idiots, and I apologize if that is how I came across.

I'm out of pocket for the rest of the day, but I look forward to 24 hours from now when we can all get back to discussing the reason why we come here in the first place.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

It's funny, because I feel the same way. A page or so back I wrote a moderately lengthy post about tax policy which was completely ignored. Then last night I express frustration with the know-nothingness and anti-intellectual posture of the leaders of the conservative movement (meaning Rush and Hannity, not you guys on this board) and I ended up in a protracted argument in which I was defending myself against accusations of psychological defect. And that quickly devolved into a discussion I really didn't want to be in about which voters are smarter. I regret that the conversation went there. I do not dismiss people with views that differ than mine as idiots, and I apologize if that is how I came across.

I'm out of pocket for the rest of the day, but I look forward to 24 hours from now when we can all get back to discussing the reason why we come here in the first place.

I outlined your words that preclude understanding. Same way I did before with RDU IRISH. Some might think I was joking about about "Rush and Hannity", but I consider calling them leaders of the conservative movement, is a purposful denagration of the conservative movement.

Téigh Gaeilge!

 

[phgreek]

I outlined your words that preclude understanding. Same way I did before with RDU IRISH. Some might think I was joking about about "Rush and Hannity", but I consider calling them leaders of the conservative movement, is a purposful denagration of the conservative movement.

Téigh Gaeilge!

calling any talking head the leader of anything but his own ratings ...thats giving them alot of credit.

I can see how Rush and Hannity, and more generally fox news are disconcerting to liberal folks because of the ratings they generate over liberal alternatives...however, liberals won the day in 08, so the numbers are pretty close...so its not an indicator of raw numbers of conservatives vs. liberals. Suffice it to say liberals probably don't consume cable news to the degree conservatives do...I don't think that particlar issue should alarm anyone into making the ratings out to be more than they are...somewhat descriptive of the differences in the modes each side consumes news.

I don't think cable news ratings elevate one to transcendant political figure, and leader of aa movement...

 

[johnnykillz]

Gays and Tax Breaks

Gays and Tax Breaks

Im all for it.

This "union" is fine.

Not for me or mine, but fine.

But "marriage" is not the correct term.

If we invented a new fruit, we wouldn't call it a tomatoe.

And if a tax break is what they (gays and lesbians and those that endorse them) seek, instead of allowing same sex marriage, the liberals should elect a representative of their choice that fights for their equality among tax breaks.

Let's call their union gayrriage or lesbiage.

Marriage is and should remain between a man and a woman.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Marriage is and should remain between a man and a woman.

Separate but equal, eh?

A very simple solution:

Everyone, straight or gay, gets a Civil Union from the state. It has all of the tax breaks, hospital rights, adoption rights, etc goodies that one gets with old marriage.

Then, or at the same time, you get a marriage certificate from your religion. I get a Catholic marriage from my church, others get what suits them from their church or whatever. Gays get a marriage from the religions that will marry them, etc etc. We defend the "sanctity of marriage" for particular religions since they can shape it how they wish still, while still allowing everyone the legal rights they deserve as humans capable of love.

Is marriage kept between a man and a woman? Yes and no. For Catholicism it sure as hell it. If your religion doesn't allow gay marriage, then it has. The bone to pick is with your religion in this scenario. Someone might have a religion where their God is gay, and/or at the very least only marry gays. That can happen. We shouldn't let our traditions impact the ways of other who are only trying to love one another.

What do ya know, the answer once again was getting the government out of the way. In this case, the marriage business.

 

[DSully1995]

To gay marriage, lets be clear here, theres notihng for christians to worry about, theyre going to hell after life, so why the fuss, let them do theyre thing.

Its like banning pre-marital sex for all people, just because your religious convictions say you cant.




Another problem is even though marriage was a purely religious sacrement, its been integrated into the mainstream, aslong as non-believers can call their union a marriage gays should be allowed it aswell

 

[Buster Bluth]

Guys you are debating wrong. You are not discussing. You are arguing. It is a little better, some of you are actually being concilatory, at times. But in general to work, you have to check the ego at the door, open things up for discussion stop the name calling and be willing to learn something. Almost everone has good points to make. Nobody is as stupid, ingnorant or whatever is that you are calling each other.

If you learn to create a discourse: a) you will have succeded where your most of your elected officials have miserably failed; b) you will do more to defeat the forces that represent a true threat to this nation than anyone.

Finally I watched "Bloody Sunday" last night. The kind of conflation that resulted in 27 unarmed protesters being shot, and fueld the IRA enlistment rolls, was a result of the same kind of conflation that exists in this political campaign.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Separate but equal, eh?

A very simple solution:

Everyone, straight or gay, gets a Civil Union from the state. It has all of the tax breaks, hospital rights, adoption rights, etc goodies that one gets with old marriage.

This is the correct path. Religions have the freedom to recognize those unions as marriages or not. That's religious freedom. Imposing a religious belief on the masses is not religious freedom.

Good post.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Eastwood/Chair 2016

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

80% chance Clint Eastwood actually thought Obama was in that chair.

 

[95NDAlumNM]

80% chance Clint Eastwood actually thought Obama was in that chair.

I'll take the over.

 

[Buster Bluth]

80% chance Clint Eastwood actually thought Obama was in that chair.

Show me someone who believes that, and I'll show you an imbecile.

 

[ACamp1900]

Rubio was flat amazing, really like him and West... The Florida boys sound real promising

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Rubio was flat amazing, really like him and West... The Florida boys sound real promising

Allen West is crazy. Seriously.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Ex-Janesville GM plant employee: Paul Ryan 'ought to be ashamed of himself' - Lean Forward

 

[tadman95]

IF Ryan claims he can see Russia from his front porch, there may be a problem.

Paul Ryan says he misstated marathon claim - NBC Politics

A little bit of a shot I'll admit, but still.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

IF Ryan claims he can see Russia from his front porch, there may be a problem.

Paul Ryan says he misstated marathon claim - NBC Politics

A little bit of a shot I'll admit, but still.

Their entire campaign is just one big lie after another.

 

[phgreek]

IF Ryan claims he can see Russia from his front porch, there may be a problem.

Paul Ryan says he misstated marathon claim - NBC Politics

A little bit of a shot I'll admit, but still.

...Thats a Big ****!ng Deal!, he keeps screwing up like that, and they'll never hold still for the chains...

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

...Thats a Big ****!ng Deal!, he keeps screwing up like that, and they'll never hold still for the chains...

It may be a small lie, but its a pattern. The guy just can't tell the truth.

 

[connor_in]

Their entire campaign is just one big lie after another.

As opposed the the TRVTH constantly put forth by the other campaign...

 

[BobD]

I once ran a marathon because it was on the way.

 

[connor_in]

I once ran a marathon because it was on the way.

Diaco once went out to do some light training whilst vacationing in Hawaii and afew guys tried to follow along...since then they do it every year and started calling it THE IRONMAN TRIATHALON

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

As opposed the the TRVTH constantly put forth by the other campaign...

Please. Its not even close.

 

[phgreek]

I once ran a marathon because it was on the way.

I like that...thats actually funny...good on ya BobD...

 

[phgreek]

Please. Its not even close.

I fast and furiously disagree...

little lies are telling of character then...how 'bout this one...

‘We won’t have the fact-checkers dictate our campaign. We will not let the truth get in the way.’

This was the statements Mr. Obama himself attributed to the Romney campaign...except they never said "We will not let the truth get in the way." Both sides take one liners out of context...Mr. Obama totally lied here.

There is no way Mr. Obama's was an accident...entirely plausible Ryan made a gaff and unitentionally made himself a world class marathoner in his attempt to brag on a 20 year old race...so yea, not even close

 

[dshans]

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I think I spotted myself in "Counter-Culture Land."

 

[Rhode Irish]

I fast and furiously disagree...

little lies are telling of character then...how 'bout this one...

‘We won’t have the fact-checkers dictate our campaign. We will not let the truth get in the way.’

This was the statements Mr. Obama himself attributed to the Romney campaign...except they never said "We will not let the truth get in the way." Both sides take one liners out of context...Mr. Obama totally lied here.

There is no way Mr. Obama's was an accident...entirely plausible Ryan made a gaff and unitentionally made himself a world class marathoner in his attempt to brag on a 20 year old race...so yea, not even close

Where are you citing this quote to?

 

[NDFan4Life]

Where are you citing this quote to?

I'll help out with this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/us/politics/obama-moves-to-speak-on-romneys-character.html?_r=2

“Sometimes they just make things up. But they’ve got a bunch of folks who can write $10 million checks, and they’ll just keep on running them,” he said. “I mean, somebody was challenging one of their ads — they made it up — about work and welfare. And every outlet said this is just not true. And they were asked about it and they said — one of their campaign people said, ‘We won’t have the fact-checkers dictate our campaign. We will not let the truth get in the way.’”

Mr. Obama was referring, as many other critics of the Romney campaign have, to a comment that its pollster, Neil Newhouse, made to reporters at the Republican convention on Tuesday, dismissive of those faulting the campaign’s television ads. What Mr. Newhouse actually said was, “These fact-checkers come to those ads with their own sets of thoughts and beliefs. We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers.”

Mr. Newhouse did not say, “We will not let the truth get in the way.”

 

[Rhode Irish]

I'll help out with this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/us/politics/obama-moves-to-speak-on-romneys-character.html?_r=2

I mean....I think it's pretty clear he was trying to make a point. That is a little different than, for instance, the Romney campaign running an ad in which the President says "if we talk about the economy, we're going to lose" when in reality he was quoting the McCain campaign. That is a deliberate attempt to mislead voters. The President was just expanding on something their campaign said to make a point.

 

[NDFan4Life]

I mean....I think it's pretty clear he was trying to make a point. That is a little different than, for instance, the Romney campaign running an ad in which the President says "if we talk about the economy, we're going to lose" when in reality he was quoting the McCain campaign. That is a deliberate attempt to mislead voters. The President was just expanding on something their campaign said to make a point.

He wasn't "trying to make a point". He out and out lied.

Don't try to deflect what he said. Nowhere in the statement by Mr. Newhouse did he say "We will not let the truth get in the way". That is an outright lie, and Obama knows it. So now who's trying to mislead voters?