Politics

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

The last car off the assembly in Janesville was December 23, 2008. Under Bush

 

[NDFan4Life]

The last car off the assembly in Janesville was December 23, 2008. Under Bush

Nope.

Check the second link in my post above.

 

[95NDAlumNM]

Last Day at Janesville GM plant - 12/23/08:

Last day at GM -- GazetteXtra

 

[NDFan4Life]

Last Day at Janesville GM plant - 12/23/08:

Last day at GM -- GazetteXtra

Guess we have a little conflict here.

The link I posted from the same source has April 23, 2009 as the last day.

What a conundrum.

 

[NDFan4Life]

I think I see what it is.

The Janesville plant quit production of full-size SUVs on Dec. 23, 2008.

They continued to make medium-duty trucks until April 23, 2009.

 

[Bluto]

For what it is worth.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/mitt-romney/

Anyhow, in the trite and nitpicky department "We Can Change It" is a pretty bad slogan. Sounds like they're selling tires or vinyl siding. Who gets paid to come up with this stuff?

Condoleezza Rice on foreign policy was a real laugh fest. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Buster Bluth]

For what it is worth.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/mitt-romney/

It's not worth much. The differences between half-truths/mostly true/mostly false/etc can be easily nudged. They are not omniscient.

Obama is leading Romney 23% to 16% in truths. Both get F------.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Romney took back his statement on the closing of the Janesville plant. Sort of.

Paul Ryan: Barack Obama didn’t close plant, but … - Katie Glueck - POLITICO.com

 

[NDFan4Life]

Romney took back his statement on the closing of the Janesville plant. Sort of.

Paul Ryan: Barack Obama didn’t close plant, but … - Katie Glueck - POLITICO.com

LOL!

Nice unbiased source there.

FTA:

“I’m not saying it was his decision,” Ryan shot back. “I’m saying he came and made these promises, makes these commitments, sells people on the notion that he’s gonna do all these great achievements and then none of them occur. These are empty promises that become broken promises and that’s the story of the Obama economy.”

 

[95NDAlumNM]

I think I see what it is.

The Janesville plant quit production of full-size SUVs on Dec. 23, 2008.

They continued to make medium-duty trucks until April 23, 2009.

It was just a few people who were sub contracted to finish an order:

By December 2008, when President George W. Bush authorized nearly $14 billion in loans to General Motors and Chrysler, both of which were near financial collapse, GM had already warned it might close the Janesville plant because of sagging sport-utility vehicle sales. The plant was effectively shut down on Dec. 23, 2008, when GM ceased production of SUVs there and laid off 1,200 workers. (Several dozen workers stayed on another four months to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors.)

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

LOL!

Nice unbiased source there.

FTA:

Is Fox News more unbiased for you?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...7YCgCw&usg=AFQjCNHoNGl2rMftkv1p846Q9ZVxpCVZ4A

 

[Bluto]

It's not worth much. The differences between half-truths/mostly true/mostly false/etc can be easily nudged. They are not omniscient.

Obama is leading Romney 23% to 16% in truths. Both get F------.

Politifact does a pretty good job at laying out each claim and then judging the credibility in my opinion.

Here's a thought, maybe we should just have each candidate compete in American Ninja Warrior after being nominated. Whoever makes it the furthest wins the presidency.

 

[NDFan4Life]

Is Fox News more unbiased for you?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...7YCgCw&usg=AFQjCNHoNGl2rMftkv1p846Q9ZVxpCVZ4A

This one's better:

Payne: Ryan, Obama, and the Promise of Janesville - Politics - The Detroit News

But I do get your point.

It's all Bush's fault.

 

[NDFan4Life]

It was just a few people who were sub contracted to finish an order:

By December 2008, when President George W. Bush authorized nearly $14 billion in loans to General Motors and Chrysler, both of which were near financial collapse, GM had already warned it might close the Janesville plant because of sagging sport-utility vehicle sales. The plant was effectively shut down on Dec. 23, 2008, when GM ceased production of SUVs there and laid off 1,200 workers. (Several dozen workers stayed on another four months to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors.)

Semantics, really.

It still doesn't explain the fact that Obama lied to those workers in Feb. 2008.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

This one's better:

Payne: Ryan, Obama, and the Promise of Janesville - Politics - The Detroit News

But I do get your point.

It's all Bush's fault.

So nothing is his fault? He had a record surplus when he entered office and turned it into a record deficit. We were losing 800,000 jobs per month at the end of his presidency. He had nothing to do with that? Is that what you're saying? Obama created the economic mess?

 

[NDFan4Life]

So nothing is his fault? He had a record surplus when he entered office and turned it into a record deficit. We were losing 800,000 jobs per month at the end of his presidency. He had nothing to do with that? Is that what you're saying? Obama created the economic mess?

Nope. Never said that. There's a lot of things that Bush did that I didn't like. The economic mess started way before Bush. He just made things worse, and Obama's continuing to make it worse.

I just don't believe that it's the government's responsibility to bail out failing companies. If companies are unable to manage themselves, then they deserve to fold.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Nope. Never said that. There's a lot of things that Bush did that I didn't like. The economic mess started way before Bush. He just made things worse, and Obama's continuing to make it worse.

I just don't believe that it's the government's responsibility to bail out failing companies. If companies are unable to manage themselves, then they deserve to fold.

So its Bill Clinton's fault? LOL

 

[woolybug25]

Nope. Never said that. There's a lot of things that Bush did that I didn't like. The economic mess started way before Bush. He just made things worse, and Obama's continuing to make it worse.

I just don't believe that it's the government's responsibility to bail out failing companies. If companies are unable to manage themselves, then they deserve to fold.

So you are pissed about us losing jobs AND you wanted companies like GM to go out of business causing massive job losses?

ok then...

 

[NDFan4Life]

So its Bill Clinton's fault? LOL

Never said that either.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Never said that either.

Can you admit that Bush's presidency was a failure?

 

[NDFan4Life]

So you are pissed about us losing jobs AND you wanted companies like GM to go out of business causing massive job losses?

ok then...

Like I said, it's not the government's responsibility to bail out failing companies. GM could've filed for bankruptcy. Instead, the taxpayers are on the hook when GM's sales tank. IMO, if the government bailed out every failing business, we'd be broke in less than 10 years.

 

[NDFan4Life]

Can you admit that Bush's presidency was a failure?

I wouldn't call it a "failure", but I wouldn't call it a success either.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I wouldn't call it a "failure", but I wouldn't call it a success either.

At least your honest.
Ready for Saturday? I can't wait!

 

[NDFan4Life]

At least your honest.
Ready for Saturday? I can't wait!

Thanks, man. It's been a pleasure discussing this with you.

I've been ready for 6 months! GO IRISH!!!

 

[tadman95]

At least your honest.
Ready for Saturday? I can't wait!

I think it was a disaster.

 

[woolybug25]

Like I said, it's not the government's responsibility to bail out failing companies. GM could've filed for bankruptcy. Instead, the taxpayers are on the hook when GM's sales tank. IMO, if the government bailed out every failing business, we'd be broke in less than 10 years.

Who said that they are going to bail every company? GM is one of the biggest US employers.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Thanks, man. It's been a pleasure discussing this with you.

I've been ready for 6 months! GO IRISH!!!

Same here. We may disagree politically, but we're all on the same team.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I think it was a disaster.

I agree.

 

[Bluto]

I agree.

Me too.

 

[NDFan4Life]

Who said that they are going to bail every company? GM is one of the biggest US employers.

I didn't say they would, I said if. Businesses fail everyday. This doesn't mean the government should bail them out.