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Soviet Union's economy collapsed it had nothing to do with us scaring them by building more bombs than they had. There economic system sucked.

A long time friend of our family visited the Soviet union in the 80s he said everything was run down and the economy was in poor shape. The hotel in Moscow he stayed was so bad that the elevator didn't stop on the 3rd floor. He had to go to the 4th floor and take the stairs down a level. He is pretty old these days but he said it was obvious they were going down.

By the way history has shown that any great empire from the Romans to the British empire is doomed to fail when there military adventures take precedent over there economy. The result is a hollowing out from the inside. When barbarians finally conquered Rome it was already a giant slum. Not say we'll be conquered but we could lose our superpower status.

chicago51, agrarian economic systems tend to not be able to recover after massive failures in production so the GDP for all intents and purposes will not recover like our markets do. History was bearing that out during Reagan's tenure. This is probably the biggest factor in the USSR and other communist states eventual downfall.

I know Reagan pushed a policy to increase spending on things such as the military because he knew USSR would try to keep up until they exhausted themselves and had to cave. It was effective but at what cost? At the same time our foreign policy expanded into full blown interventionist policy. The Reagan Doctrine was simply this. The USA assisted and implanted anti-communist personnel in key places to stop communism's spread. Funny thing though.... the Carter admin was using covert ops in Afghanistan supporting the muhjadeen. It seems this policy was adopted by the Reagan admin and ramped up elsewhere to include helping Hussein during the Iran-Iraq War as well as in South and Central America.

Regarding the isolationist policy, Thomas Jefferson wanted "honest friendship" with all nations" and "entangling alliances" with none. This was the norm until WWI. FDR even resisted until WWII as much as possible. After that though it was clear that the USSR was going to be a new power and our adversary.

I think your last paragraph is completely true and spot on. Our infrastructure is already way behind schedule and it will only cost more money in the future.
 
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We can agree to disagree on which way the wind is blowing politically. No matter who is right about Cruz, me who believes he is a terrible candidate or you who believes the entrenched establishment on both sides doens't want him to succeed, I think we can both agree that it is a moot point. He isn't going to be the nominee for the GOP. I actually do not see a viable candidate in their ranks who would be able to compete with Hillary in a national election.

You say these things not because you want the GOP to have a "viable candidate" against Hillary, but because you and other Dems fear Cruz. For the first time in 8 years the left wouldn't be able to pull the race card.

Too conservative? Too combative? Goes against the GOP establishment? We heard all the same about Reagan before the 1980 election. As a conservative I say bring on Billary. She's accomplished nothing.
 

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Soviet Union's economy collapsed it had nothing to do with us scaring them by building more bombs than they had. There economic system sucked.

A long time friend of our family visited the Soviet union in the 80s he said everything was run down and the economy was in poor shape. The hotel in Moscow he stayed was so bad that the elevator didn't stop on the 3rd floor. He had to go to the 4th floor and take the stairs down a level. He is pretty old these days but he said it was obvious they were going down.

By the way history has shown that any great empire from the Romans to the British empire is doomed to fail when there military adventures take precedent over there economy. The result is a hollowing out from the inside. When barbarians finally conquered Rome it was already a giant slum. Not say we'll be conquered but we could lose our superpower status.

Thank you for explaining exactly how Reagan managed to win the cold war. He couldn't have done it in the 50' or 60's, but by the 80's, their system had become a house of cards with things crumbling internally and with Reagan's increase in military spending and the heavy media coverage of the development of "Star Wars Defense" technology, the Soviets used precious resources towards their military in an effort to try to keep up. This made their rickety system even worse. When Gorbachev introduced Glastnost, it was their last gasp to try to prop up the economy but 1) it was too late to be of help and 2) the old hard liners in government hated it and 3) it gave their people a more legitimate taste of non-soviet life (although many already had a bit of a taste due to the huge undergound economy that had already existed).

Reagan simply pushed at the right place at the right time. It could possibly have happened on its own,yes. But Reagan accelerated it and did nothing towards helping them prop themselves up to try to recover and keep their system going.


PS: On the other topic of Ted Cruz and his likeability, personally I don't know as I have not focused much on him at this point. However, if you believe that Hillary is likeable I can only SMDH
 
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Thank you for explaining exactly how Reagan managed to win the cold war. He couldn't have done it in the 50' or 60's, but by the 80's, their system had become a house of cards with things crumbling internally and with Reagan's increase in military spending and the heavy media coverage of the development of "Star Wars Defense" technology, the Soviets used precious resources towards their military in an effort to try to keep up. This made their rickety system even worse. When Gorbachev introduced Glastnost, it was their last gasp to try to prop up the economy but 1) it was too late to be of help and 2) the old hard liners in government hated it and 3) it gave their people a more legitimate taste of non-soviet life (although many already had a bit of a taste due to the huge undergound economy that had already existed).

Reagan simply pushed at the right place at the right time. It could possibly have happened on its own,yes. But Reagan accelerated it and did nothing towards helping them prop themselves up to try to recover and keep their system going.


PS: On the other topic of Ted Cruz and his likeability, personally I don't know as I have not focused much on him at this point. However, if you believe that Hillary is likeable I can only SMDH

On one hand capitalism is just amazing and superior to every other idea and blows communism out of the water yadda yadda yadda...on the other Reagan is the man who did the unthinkable and destroyed the Soviet Union!!!

It doesn't take too much thinking to come to the conclusion that Reagan gets too much credit for that collapse of the USSR.
 

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On one hand capitalism is just amazing and superior to every other idea and blows communism out of the water yadda yadda yadda...on the other Reagan is the man who did the unthinkable and destroyed the Soviet Union!!!

It doesn't take too much thinking to come to the conclusion that Reagan gets too much credit for that collapse of the USSR.

Sadly many Americans think this is the single thing that toppled the Soviet Union.

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Whatever, what does my statement tell you? That I'm one of those super secret commie spies waiting to be activated?

Commie spy activation completed!

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I hope you guys don't believe the doodoo you write. Cremia was part of the Soviet Union at one time, most of the people living there are Russian. The Russians are doing exactly what we'd do if say Florida some how split from the US, then started to implode with its new regime. We wouldn't just sit back and let chips fall where they may. There is NO politician from any party that could prevent Russia from doing what they're doing and we wouldn't do anything different if we were in their shoes. Common sense stuff.

Your analogy is really bad and reveals your complete ignorance on the subject. Other than that, great job!

A few quick points:

1. The Ukraine is roughly 78% ethnic Ukrainian, not Russian.

2. The Ukraine was quasi-independent until the Soviet Union conquered it in the early 20th century during a period in which Ukraine was wrecked by a multi-party civil war.
 

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Your analogy is really bad and reveals your complete ignorance on the subject. Other than that, great job!

A few quick points:

1. The Ukraine is roughly 78% ethnic Ukrainian, not Russian.

2. The Ukraine was quasi-independent until the Soviet Union conquered it in the early 20th century during a period in which Ukraine was wrecked by a multi-party civil war.

Strap on your helmet and jump on the short bus.....I said Cremia. NOT THE ENTIRE Ukraine.

The analogy is good and you should get to know more about me and learn a little about my job in the military before you say really dumb things.

Have a nice day feeling even dumber.

Talk about ignorance revealed.
 
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Strap on your helmet and jump on the short bus.....I said Cremia. NOT THE ENTIRE Ukraine.

The analogy is good and you should get to know more about me and learn a little about my job in the military before you say really dumb things.

Have a nice day feeling even dumber.

Haha, you are right. I read your post too quickly. mea culpa.
 

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Strap on your helmet and jump on the short bus.....I said Cremia. NOT THE ENTIRE Ukraine.

The analogy is good and you should get to know more about me and learn a little about my job in the military before you say really dumb things.

Have a nice day feeling even dumber.

Talk about ignorance revealed.

Come on, BobD. You're a grown ass man and you're making "short bus" jokes? Try just a little bit of class.
 

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1. Guy code: Past age 6 you're not allowed to say the word "doodoo."

2. Washington told Putin not to send troops and a day later he did lol. Just gave Obama a big middle finger.

I didn't jump into the conversation of a situational "what would you do" as much as this is another example of foreign leaders seeing this president as weak.

I hope your sister is ok and gets the treatment she needs asap.

Carotid Endarterectomy/Carotid Artery Stenting | Johns Hopkins Medicine Health Libraryhere is a Johns Hopkins article. Typically less than 70% is treated medically first.
Also wish the best to your sister.


Thanks guys. I do know she's been on medication including nitro, just don't know how long.
 

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Come on, BobD. You're a grown ass man and you're making "short bus" jokes? Try just a little bit of class.

Good luck. A few months ago Bob said I should get a life (he has 6500 posts in two and a half years) and that I don't have a real career (I have a good job with a fortunte 500).
 

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Come on, BobD. You're a grown ass man and you're making "short bus" jokes? Try just a little bit of class.

Good call. The short bus stuff not appropriate. My apologies, I shoulda just gone with dumbass......and now he's admitted he was mistaken. Let's get back to peaceful coexistence.
 

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Some good stuff from JFK. I wish Obama and the Democrats of today would give a stump speech like he did.
They won't because they are owned by billionaires too unfortunately.


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I like BobD. He's my favorite commie/hippie/liberal who wants to take my tax money and give it to trans-gendered urban graffiti artists who burn Bibles & American flags.

I assume you are joking.

What is with the commie comments though? FDR, JFK, and LBJ weren't commies last time I checked. As for today's Democrats; lets face both parties are too well funded billionaires to be communists or even Democratic socialists.
 
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Wonderful foreign policy at work here:

1. End the missile defense system agreement in Poland and the Check Republic.

2. Allow Russia to continue to dominate the war in Syria - red line and all.

3. Conveying to Russia that the US would continue to relax it's influence in Eastern Europe.

4. Not realizing that Russia is the geopolitical threat it has always been.

5. Wanting the decrease defense spending by 50%.

Yep... no wonder Putin has basically invaded Ukraine.

Oh, but wait... we are sending John Kerry - our wonderful Sec of State. Nevermind he believes global warming is the single biggest threat to all of us.

The Solution?

Not many. Impose economic sanctions on Russia? Kick them out of the G8? Ask them nicely to "back off?"

Houston... we have a problem.....
 

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The Check Republic is where 'independents' like Bob go to get their grocery money...
 
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Wonderful foreign policy at work here:

1. End the missile defense system agreement in Poland and the Check Republic.

2. Allow Russia to continue to dominate the war in Syria - red line and all.

3. Conveying to Russia that the US would continue to relax it's influence in Eastern Europe.

4. Not realizing that Russia is the geopolitical threat it has always been.

5. Wanting the decrease defense spending by 50%.

Yep... no wonder Putin has basically invaded Ukraine.

Oh, but wait... we are sending John Kerry - our wonderful Sec of State. Nevermind he believes global warming is the single biggest threat to all of us.

The Solution?

Not many. Impose economic sanctions on Russia? Kick them out of the G8? Ask them nicely to "back off?"

Houston... we have a problem.....

Not disagreeing and I only read about this recently but it seems there is a growing consensus (which is not being reported in the mainstream media) that Russia is attempting to cease a US and GB lead charge into Eastern Europe ( by default NATO) along with its missile defense systems. PNAC (The Project for the New American Century) keeps coming up and it appears it began back with President Bush Sr. It is also being reported that the nationalists are neo-nazis (the Svoboda Party, which the group denies). If any of this is true, it would mean that the doctrine has been implemented for 4 presidents (not just Obama) and Russia could be preparing to defend itself by seizing Crimea which is a key access point to the Black Sea.

Anyway I thought it was interesting.

Key Personnel include most of Bush Sr and Juniors Admin.
 
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I'm really torn on what to do.

If I may play devil's advocate from Russia's point of view. NATO was set up to basically play defense against Soviet communism. However from the Russian view point you can argue it has more recently been expansionist and maybe even offensive.

So what to do?

1 - Economic sanctions? I say yes but I was reading how it is important to get the UK, France, and especially Germany Europe's strongest economy on board for economic sanctions to work. The UK is not a problem. However France and Germany have so energy relations with Russia and getting them on board long term is not a guarantee.

2 - Sending an aircraft carrier group to the Black Sea? Mostly for show but it may send a little bit of a message.

3- Sending in troops to US friendly Eastern Europe countries? I'm not ready to go there.

4- Actually sending troops in Ukraine to kick them out? I think we should all be mindful of the "Guns of August" and how WWI got started before we do anything like this.
 
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I'm really torn on what to do.

If I may play devil's advocate from Russia's point of view. NATO was set up to basically play defense against Soviet communism. However from the Russian view point you can argue it has more recently been expansionist and maybe even offensive.

So what to do?

1 - Economic sanctions? I say yes but I was reading how it is important to get the UK, France, and especially Germany Europe's strongest economy on board for economic sanctions to work. The UK is not a problem. However France and Germany have so energy relations with Russia and getting them on board long term is not a guarantee.

2 - Sending carrier group to the Black Sea? Mostly for show but it may send a little bit of a message.

3- Sending in troops to US friendly Eastern Europe countries? I'm not ready to go there.

4- Actually sending troops in Ukraine to kick them out? I think we should all be mindful of the "Guns of August" and how WWI got started before we do anything like this.

I,too, am not prepared to send troops into Ukraine. I think at this point, all the President has left is to try and form some sort of sanctions that will limit Putin's thirst for Russian expansion. And Obama needs to put the missile defense systems back in play to send the message to Russia that their aggression has limits. I do believe when the President stopped the missile defense systems in Poland it signaled to Putin that Obama was going to be weak in foreign affairs. And credit to Putin, he has played the US like a fine tuned piano since. The failure of Obama to have a clear vision in Eastern Europe, and not recognizing Russia as a geopolitical power, has left him with no other choice at this point. Germany and France will talk a big game... until they need Russia for their energy source.

On the flip side, Putin is basically getting an area with barely a majority of Russian decent, so he will have some serious internal trouble keeping the area in check. It will be interesting moving forward what occurs.
 

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The NYT's Ross Douthat just posted a great article on SSM titled "The Terms of Our Surrender:"

IT now seems certain that before too many years elapse, the Supreme Court will be forced to acknowledge the logic of its own jurisprudence on same-sex marriage and redefine marriage to include gay couples in all 50 states.

Once this happens, the national debate essentially will be finished, but the country will remain divided, with a substantial minority of Americans, most of them religious, still committed to the older view of marriage.

So what then? One possibility is that this division will recede into the cultural background, with marriage joining the long list of topics on which Americans disagree without making a political issue out of it.

In this scenario, religious conservatives would essentially be left to promote their view of wedlock within their own institutions, as a kind of dissenting subculture emphasizing gender differences and procreation, while the wider culture declares that love and commitment are enough to make a marriage. And where conflicts arise — in a case where, say, a Mormon caterer or a Catholic photographer objected to working at a same-sex wedding — gay rights supporters would heed the advice of gay marriage’s intellectual progenitor, Andrew Sullivan, and let the dissenters opt out “in the name of their freedom — and ours.”

But there’s another possibility, in which the oft-invoked analogy between opposition to gay marriage and support for segregation in the 1960s South is pushed to its logical public-policy conclusion. In this scenario, the unwilling photographer or caterer would be treated like the proprietor of a segregated lunch counter, and face fines or lose his business — which is the intent of recent legal actions against a wedding photographer in New Mexico, a florist in Washington State, and a baker in Colorado.

Meanwhile, pressure would be brought to bear wherever the religious subculture brushed up against state power. Religious-affiliated adoption agencies would be closed if they declined to place children with same-sex couples. (This has happened in Massachusetts and Illinois.) Organizations and businesses that promoted the older definition of marriage would face constant procedural harassment, along the lines suggested by the mayors who battled with Chick-fil-A. And, eventually, religious schools and colleges would receive the same treatment as racist holdouts like Bob Jones University, losing access to public funds and seeing their tax-exempt status revoked.

In the past, this constant-pressure scenario has seemed the less-likely one, since Americans are better at agreeing to disagree than the culture war would suggest. But it feels a little bit more likely after last week’s “debate” in Arizona, over a bill that was designed to clarify whether existing religious freedom protections can be invoked by defendants like the florist or the photographer.

If you don’t recognize my description of the bill, then you probably followed the press coverage, which was mendacious and hysterical — evincing no familiarity with the legal issues, and endlessly parroting the line that the bill would institute “Jim Crow” for gays. (Never mind that in Arizona it’s currently legal to discriminate based on sexual orientation — and mass discrimination isn’t exactly breaking out.) Allegedly sensible centrists compared the bill’s supporters to segregationist politicians, liberals invoked the Bob Jones precedent to dismiss religious-liberty concerns, and Republican politicians behaved as though the law had been written by David Duke.

What makes this response particularly instructive is that such bills have been seen, in the past, as a way for religious conservatives to negotiate surrender — to accept same-sex marriage’s inevitability while carving out protections for dissent. But now, apparently, the official line is that you bigots don’t get to negotiate anymore.

Which has a certain bracing logic. If your only goal is ensuring that support for traditional marriage diminishes as rapidly as possible, applying constant pressure to religious individuals and institutions will probably do the job. Already, my fellow Christians are divided over these issues, and we’ll be more divided the more pressure we face. The conjugal, male-female view of marriage is too theologically rooted to disappear, but its remaining adherents can be marginalized, set against one other, and encouraged to conform.

I am being descriptive here, rather than self-pitying. Christians had plenty of opportunities — thousands of years’ worth — to treat gay people with real charity, and far too often chose intolerance. (And still do, in many instances and places.) So being marginalized, being sued, losing tax-exempt status — this will be uncomfortable, but we should keep perspective and remember our sins, and nobody should call it persecution.

But it’s still important for the winning side to recognize its power. We are not really having an argument about same-sex marriage anymore, and on the evidence of Arizona, we’re not having a negotiation. Instead, all that’s left is the timing of the final victory — and for the defeated to find out what settlement the victors will impose.
 

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The NYT's Ross Douthat just posted a great article on SSM titled "The Terms of Our Surrender:"

My problem is the hypocrisy of the whole thing.

  • Muslim taxi drivers may decline to transport passengers carrying alcohol.
  • Homosexual hairstylists can drop politicians who do not share their view on gay marriage.
  • Bar in West Hollywood denies entry to any politicians who do not support gay marriage.

All of this, yet a Christian service provider cannot decline to furnish services for a homosexual wedding that violates his conscience.
 

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I like BobD. He's my favorite commie/hippie/liberal who wants to take my tax money and give it to trans-gendered urban graffiti artists who burn Bibles & American flags.

Don't be a dumbass, he's not a liberal.

It's great being a veteran and having folks call you a commie. I gave up good hearing and my knees so they'd continue to have the right to do it and I'd do it all over again.
 
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