Politics

[TheRealLynch51]

Question... Why?? What does the average person see from that woman that makes them think she is any way qualified at all... Never understood that.

I think she did a fantastic job as Secretary of State. (If you have problems with that statement, take it to PM, especially with my view on Bengazi). If I'm hiring someone in a regular business, I look for executives to replace a higher executive (if the government had a standard business model), rather than another Senator or House Rep (a lower level employee so to speak). Also, as released today, she had the same thoughts AS A DEMOCRAT over 10 years ago that the vast majority of right wingers have about Obamacare now. If a person has that kind of bi-partisan thinking mixed with foresight, I would vote for them today to hope for a better future.

 

[GoIrish41]

Sorry... No

That is some consise political commentary. Unfortunately, the republicans won't have a candidate with qualifications that come close to Hillary's.

 

[ACamp1900]

That is some consise political commentary. Unfortunately, the republicans won't have a candidate with qualifications that come close to Hillary's.

Shame none of them have the name or media slurping to constantly fail upward... Miserably...

You're welcome for the consise commemtary... Honestly if anyone thinks her time in the senate or especially as SoS were positives then we are so far apart there is no point. Thing is the vast majority that would vote for her probably do not even know she ever held those positions, they just know who she's married to... Which fits I guess, because that's basically the qualification that got her to this point. Cheers to lynch for answering the question I ask him though.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Shame none of them have the name or media slurping to constantly fail upward... Miserably...

You're welcome for the consise commemtary... Honestly if anyone thinks her time in the senate or especially as SoS were positives then we are so far apart there is no point. Thing is the vast majority that would vote for her probably do not even know she ever held those positions, they just know who she's married to... Which fits I guess, because that's basically the qualification that got her to this point. Cheers to lynch for answering the question I ask him though.

Thanks for the respect, even though our opinions differ. Honestly, I try to stay out of these types of political threads being that most people already have their minds made up, but I have a couple of drinks in me so I thought "what the hell, why not post?". All I know is that people have different opinions and no matter how many "factual" posts people will make, you cant change someone's mind if its already entrenched in one idea. (That goes for my viewpoints as well as yours Acamp). With that, im going to get out of this thread without (hopefully) pissing too many people off. Just thought I would post my piece. I was going to give you some more reps for respecting my opinion and not getting nasty, but apparently I've already given too many reps to you in the recent past.

 

[connor_in]

So rumor has it Hillary may not run due to illness. If that's the case...what disaster will the left put up for election?

What difference at this point does it make?

 

[Black Irish]

This is another problem entirely. The incorrect use of words.

If people such as myself and others were apathetic, we would not care,show enthusiasm, or concern...yes? However, our ongoing participation in this discussion thus disproves we are apathetic.

...and denial...really? Anything you say on any subject, if I disagree with it I am technically a "denier".

You: The unemployment situation in this nation is improving, look at the U3
Me: The unemployment in this nation is worsening look at the U6
You: Connor_in, you are in denial


see...it all depends on what your definition of "is" is...

That's the point I tried to make in several posts. I say I'm skeptical, not outright denying. But it doesn't matter to the climate change dogmatists. I'm a denier because I don't wholesale buy into a (extremely politicized, btw) field of study. But, apparently, the scientific process involved in determining all of this is so above our heads, intellectually, that we should just accept it and move on.

 

[Black Irish]

Served as a key advisor to one of the most effective presidencies in American history.

Strong senator from New York, noted for her ability to reach across the isle

Extremely successful as the Secretary of State in Obama's first administration.

She may have the best political resume for a presidential run since Bush Senior.

On point one, her biggest and earliest contribution to Bill's presidency was her pushing healthcare reform, which was a train wreck.

On point two, I can't think of a single significant thing she did with a Senate seat that was gift-wrapped and handed to her from Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Calling her "strong" is an overstatement. I remember reading an article at the time that stated how Hillary stayed in the background and kept her head down in the Senate, and didn't make a lot of waves.

What made her such a success as SoS? That job is made for ladder-climbers; all of the exposure of one of the highest level cabinet positions, but with so much less of the slings and arrows that come with SecDef or AG.

Hillary has a great resume in the sense that she has held a number of high profile political positions. How good she was at those positions is very much up for debate.

 

[Cackalacky]

That's the point I tried to make in several posts. I say I'm skeptical, not outright denying. But it doesn't matter to the climate change dogmatists. I'm a denier because I don't wholesale buy into a (extremely politicized, btw) field of study. But, apparently, the scientific process involved in determining all of this is so above our heads, intellectually, that we should just accept it and move on.

I respect what you are saying and I totally agree that it is politicized as anything is that affects a lot of lives, property, and money. I do take exception to your last sentence. Which it seems that there is a bit hubris in it. If I came off that way it was not my intention (or maybe it was someone else). To that point, I have two initial questions....

Question 1
Do you understand time dilation as described by Einstein and do you know how it was derived?

Question 2
Do you understand quantum mechanics its implications, and how it was derived?

 

[ACamp1900]

I tried quantum mechanics once... I could never get the flux capacitor to work and in the end my civic needed a new transmission...

I always tell my science students to have a trained mechanic handle those things instead...

 

[Cackalacky]

Quantum mechanics are always hard to find and if you do find one they are hard to pin down on a price. Too much uncertainty.

 

[Bluto]

I tried quantum mechanics once... I could never get the flux capacitor to work and in the end my civic needed a new transmission...

I always tell my science students to have a trained mechanic handle those things instead...

You should have gone to Cuantas Mechanics. This guy Victor there does great work. Or a Qantas mechanic considering it was more of a jet engine like problem.

 

[Cackalacky]

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[IRISHDODGER]

. I look for executives to replace a higher executive (if the government had a standard business model), rather than another Senator or House Rep (a lower level employee so to speak).

Then I assume you didn't vote for Obama...

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Unfortunately, the republicans won't have a candidate with qualifications that come close to Hillary's.

If it were about qualifications, McCain & Romney would have defeated Obama.

Give Obama credit for messaging & his orating skills. As far as qualifications to be leader of the free world? He had never governed. He never worked in the private sector. He never accomplished anything of substance as either a State or US Senator.

 

[chicago51]

Not a fan of Hillary or Joe Biden. I am hoping even if Hillary does run for a long drawn out primary because I think the left needs to figure out its vision which I think it lacks.

The political right love it or hate it has its utopian vision that if you make can make government so small then the billions of then market place could operate completely unrestrained then everything would just be great. The idea is that free market knows best and if unchecked capitalism creates winners and losers so what. If the free market creates monopolies, and if we end up with a feudalistic society it is because the free market willed it. If people get sick from drinking water that some refinery plant dumped poisons its unfortunate but the free market knows best.

Now I may not agree with it but they have a vision. The American left really doesn't have a vision.

Now I have a opinions of what the left's vision should be but I think as a whole the left needs to get behind a plan or a goal.

The right pretty much did this in the 1970s and they've done a great job of pushing the country toward their utopian vision.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Then I assume you didn't vote for Obama...

I did the first time, but not the second time. Everyone is allowed a freebie.

 

[connor_in]

Not a fan of Hillary or Joe Biden. I am hoping even if Hillary does run for a long drawn out primary because I think the left needs to figure out its vision which I think it lacks.

The political right love it or hate it has its utopian vision that if you make can make government so small then the billions of then market place could operate completely unrestrained then everything would just be great. The idea is that free market knows best and if unchecked capitalism creates winners and losers so what. If the free market creates monopolies, and if we end up with a feudalistic society it is because the free market willed it. If people get sick from drinking water that some refinery plant dumped poisons its unfortunate but the free market knows best.

Now I may not agree with it but they have a vision. The American left really doesn't have a vision.

Now I have a opinions of what the left's vision should be but I think as a whole the left needs to get behind a plan or a goal.

The right pretty much did this in the 1970s and they've done a great job of pushing the country toward their utopian vision.

If that is what you think the right's utopian vision is, then the left's must be true full on communism. I mean if you think pretty much the furthest right you can go is what they all want, then the furthest left you can go is what you all want...just makes logical sense, right?

"I'll retire to Bedlam." - Charles Dickens

 

[marv81s]

Hillary and Obama's reset with Russia is working out very well

Wonder what ole mashed potato face is going to say about this?

 

[BobD]

The Republicans have nobody to beat this.

 

[BobD]

Hillary vs Jeb might be interesting. Anybody else the pubs have now would get curb stomped.

........and we all know the Clinton's both love Bush.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Not a fan of Hillary or Joe Biden. I am hoping even if Hillary does run for a long drawn out primary because I think the left needs to figure out its vision which I think it lacks.

The political right love it or hate it has its utopian vision that if you make can make government so small then the billions of then market place could operate completely unrestrained then everything would just be great. The idea is that free market knows best and if unchecked capitalism creates winners and losers so what. If the free market creates monopolies, and if we end up with a feudalistic society it is because the free market willed it. If people get sick from drinking water that some refinery plant dumped poisons its unfortunate but the free market knows best.

Now I may not agree with it but they have a vision. The American left really doesn't have a vision.

Now I have a opinions of what the left's vision should be but I think as a whole the left needs to get behind a plan or a goal.

The right pretty much did this in the 1970s and they've done a great job of pushing the country toward their utopian vision.

1) That assumption is silly. You only know conservatives want based on what you read from progressives.

2) If you think the American left has no vision, you've been asleep for the past 5 years. They've been unified, persistent, unrelenting, and clear in their vision: social democratic nanny state.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Hillary vs Jeb might be interesting. Anybody else the pubs have now would get curb stomped.

........and we all know the Clinton's both love Bush.

Dems would beg for another Bush. If somehow the GOP puts another Bush on the ballot for 2016, I'll go 100% libertarian/ Ron Paul guy.

If you think a guy like Rand Paul or Marco Rubio would be curb stomped, you're simply ignoring every poll about GOP candidates in the past 8-12 months.

 

[chicago51]

If that is what you think the right's utopian vision is, then the left's must be true full on communism. I mean if you think pretty much the furthest right you can go is what they all want, then the furthest left you can go is what you all want...just makes logical sense, right?

"I'll retire to Bedlam." - Charles Dickens

Maybe not your utopian vision but yes I'd imagine that what I said is seriously Charles and David Koch's vision for the right and they are the rights biggest funders. There goal is ultimately zero regulation so they can dominate the market place and pollute the planet.

Your Congressman (or woman) or my Congressman don't give a rats a$$ what we think.

I know one thing I wish I could see in any of the political parties vision for the future and that is that you have a constitutional right to a government that is not corrupt. American was founded on the John Locke idea that people can govern themselves. I would propose that the ultimate check on government power is the people themselves as Jefferson stated.

The problem is we do not have a government that responds to we the people unless the parade on an issue is so gigantic they need to jump in for there political survival. Which is why we need to amend the constitution so that corporations, business groups, and unions do not have the right of natural people and that money is not free speech therefore campaign contributions can be regulated by federal, state, and local governments.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

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Putin fears Obama like a class of high school juniors fears the substitute teacher.

 

[Cackalacky]

Putin fears Obama like a class of high school juniors fears the substitute teacher.

I was going to ask what the Foreign Policy move will be. But then Canada came out with a strongly worded response to Russia. Glad we made Canada get involved.

Crazy situtation. What is up with Crimea? It seems historically this area has always had problems much like Afghanistan..

 

[IRISHDODGER]

If that is what you think the right's utopian vision is, then the left's must be true full on communism. I mean if you think pretty much the furthest right you can go is what they all want, then the furthest left you can go is what you all want...just makes logical sense, right?

"I'll retire to Bedlam." - Charles Dickens

Some people don't know the difference between Crony Capitalism & Free Market Capitalism.

 

[marv81s]

The Republicans have nobody to beat this.

name the one person who some in the republican party said he couldn't win and then went on to win two presidential elections in a huge landslide

get a real conservative the nomination that can get through the establishment/bushie republicans and i'm willing to bet my life they can win in a landslide against that overrated and accomplished nothing in her political career hillary clinton

Ted Cruz would wipe the floor against her

 

[GoIrish41]

name the one person who some in the republican party said he couldn't win and then went on to win two presidential elections in a huge landslide

get a real conservative the nomination that can get through the establishment/bushie republicans and i'm willing to bet my life they can win in a landslide against that overrated and accomplished nothing in her political career hillary clinton

Ted Cruz would wipe the floor against her

Cruz is toxic. He is seen as a force for disfunction in almost all factions within the Republican Party. I also believe you overestimate his popularity with the masses. If the Republicans are going to have a chance, they are going to have to do much, much better than nominating Ted Cruz. Christie might have been a viable candidate if he didn't choose to become a political bully to teach his rival a lesson. The GOP is in a tight spot, as they seem almost completely outmatched to compete in a national election because the only real personalities they have in their ranks are not only unpopular but downright poison ... like Ted Cruz.

 

[chicago51]

Some people don't know the difference between Crony Capitalism & Free Market Capitalism.

I agree let's end crony capitalism.

Obamacare is crony captitalism, it was a huge give away to the insurance companies. So let's repeal the Obamacare mandates. But let's allow the free market to work and let's allow people below age 65 to enroll in Medicare if they so chose.

Let's also stop what Reagan started and let's cut back on defense spending and giving so much to all the private contractors that both parties are buddy buddy with.

Then let's stop spying all together but if we are gonna spy let's stop outsourcing our surveillance to private contractors like Booz Allen Hamiltion.

Finally monopolies and may be part of Friedman's definition of a free market but is an oligarchy market really a free market? I would suggest to you that it is not so let's go back to enforcing our antitrust laws and let's start breaking up these giant companies.

Campaign contributions have caused facist merger of state and corporate interest aka crony captalism. So let's amend the constitution so corporations, as well as unions don't have rights of natural persons under the 14th amendment as I'm pretty sure Lincoln didn't fight the Civil War for Standard Oil Company; and that money is not free speech so campaign contributions can be regulated by federal, state, and local governments. Then let's limit amount of cash individual people can spend on politics to a level so low it will eliminate the influence money has on government so that crony capitalism won't have incentive.

 

[Bluto]

Some people don't know the difference between Crony Capitalism & Free Market Capitalism.

You mean like the current "conservative" members of the Supreme Court?