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  • Obama

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Romney

    Votes: 172 48.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 46 13.1%
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Black Irish

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The only time I have ever heard of him was when they talked about him on The Colbert Report. This guy is sounds like a nut to me. I think he will get teared apart by the media.

Paul Ryan's Budget - Thomas Reese - The Colbert Report - 2012-01-05 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

I really hope you are not basing your opinion of Ryan solely on "The Colbert Report." That and "The Daily Show" could selectively edit things to make you believe Mother Teresa was a serial killer. They are beyond biased.
 

magogian

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Great pick ... Its about the economy stupid! Smart move to frame the debate on the state of the economy
 

IrishLax

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Idiotic choice, IMO. Makes me re-evaluate who I'm voting for... was already undecided, but if he had picked McDonnell I would've voted for Romney. Virginia has a history of electing great governor's regardless of political party affiliation... McDonnell, Mark Warner, etc.... wish one would get a shot at the White House.
 

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annnnd florida goes blue

Why do you say this? Because of Ryan over Rubio?

There are huge pockets of mature people in FL that are waking up. Floridians are realizing that we cannot tax our way out of 16trillion. We need growth and prosperity. I think Romney is going to win by 3 points.
 

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Why do you say this? Because of Ryan over Rubio?

There are huge pockets of mature people in FL that are waking up. Floridians are realizing that we cannot tax our way out of 16trillion. We need growth and prosperity. I think Romney is going to win by 3 points.

I'm guessing that he is referring to the potential impact on Social Security and Medicare.
 

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No matter who the next President is - Social Security, Medicare, Healthcare, etc. all need to be address.

We are 16trillion in the hole and our dollar is failing. Therefore, inflation is rising. We need to leadership to steer the ship instead of just ignore it.
 

RyCo1983

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No matter who the next President is - Social Security, Medicare, Healthcare, etc. all need to be address.

We are 16trillion in the hole and our dollar is failing. Therefore, inflation is rising. We need to leadership to steer the ship instead of just ignore it.

Did I ever comment on it?

No, I just told you why he would say that.

I am aware.
 

phillyirish

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Oh good grief. So your entire perspective of someone is determined by how he was discussed on a comedy show?

Please don't vote, ever.

Well my entire perspective of him is based of a comedy show because as I said thats the only time I have ever heard of him before speculation started that he would be the VP nominee. And I was trying to point out the fact that he is/was an avid Ayn Rand supporter, which raises serious red flags.

Please don't ever tell someone not to vote, ever.
 
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I don't really understand the pick. He's not from a swing state, he doesn't appeal to moderates, women, or minorities.
 

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Bad choice in my opinion. The only analogy I can come up with would be if Obama had picked Nancy Pilosi as his running mate in 08.
 

magogian

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Well my entire perspective of him is based of a comedy show because as I said thats the only time I have ever heard of him before speculation started that he would be the VP nominee. And I was trying to point out the fact that he is/was an avid Ayn Rand supporter, which raises serious red flags.

Please don't ever tell someone not to vote, ever.

1. And you know Paul Ryan is an avid Ayn Rand supporter, how? Oh, right, from a comedy show. Irrespective of the truth of your charge, you shouldn't make assertions from such an information source.

2. I have no problem with people making a considered and intelligent decision to vote Democrat. What I do have a problem with is the all too many people who rely on what are essentially comedy shows as their main, if not, primary soure for political information.

Such people should have enough respect for their country and fellow citizens to realize they are in no position to make an informed vote and should kindly refrain from doing so.
 
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Idiotic choice, IMO. Makes me re-evaluate who I'm voting for... was already undecided, but if he had picked McDonnell I would've voted for Romney. Virginia has a history of electing great governor's regardless of political party affiliation... McDonnell, Mark Warner, etc.... wish one would get a shot at the White House.

C'mon Lax, the VP pick is the most overrated political office out there. It's essentially meaningless.
 

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Love this pick. He is a beast.

He's definitely a policy beast indeed. Romney's basically saying "forget identity politics, forget regional politics, forget pandering to a battleground state: I'm going with the guy who can tear ObamaCare apart":

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zPxMZ1WdINs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
 

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He's definitely a policy beast indeed. Romney's basically saying "forget identity politics, forget regional politics, forget pandering to a battleground state: I'm going with the guy who can tear ObamaCare apart":

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zPxMZ1WdINs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Ryan does an awesome job in that clip explaining the accounting bs that was done in Obamacare.
 

Rizzophil

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Idiotic choice, IMO. Makes me re-evaluate who I'm voting for... was already undecided, but if he had picked McDonnell I would've voted for Romney. Virginia has a history of electing great governor's regardless of political party affiliation... McDonnell, Mark Warner, etc.... wish one would get a shot at the White House.

IrishLax, I would encourage you to look at the policies and the character behind the men. This is a very important election and we are in dubious times. You should vote.

One a side note, I find it interesting that ND is a Catholic school and no one ever brings up Obama's war on Catholics. It is plain as day although the media isn't running the stories. Obama is getting sued by loads of Catholic schools and hospitals because the government is getting involved in religion (which is forbidden). Again, this is a great talking point for this board more than anywhere else.
 

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Aaaaaaaaaand here you go.

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A true champion of conservative principles...

http://wi.rlc.org/2010/08/paul-ryans-record/
 
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phillyirish

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1. And you know Paul Ryan is an avid Ayn Rand supporter, how? Oh, right, from a comedy show. Irrespective of the truth of your charge, you shouldn't make assertions from such an information source.

2. I have no problem with people making a considered and intelligent decision to vote Democrat. What I do have a problem with is the all too many people who rely on what are essentially comedy shows as their main, if not, primary soure for political information.

Such people should have enough respect for their country and fellow citizens to realize they are in no position to make an informed vote and should kindly refrain from doing so.

1. Stephen Colbert is not the only person to accuse that Paul Ryan is a Ayn Rand supporter. In fact no one is accusing him of being a supporter, they are simple just stating that he is one because thats the truth. If they were accusing it, then it wouldn't be definitely factual . Here are some other media outlets criticizing Ryan for his Rand support (the first is a letter from Georgetown University agreeing with numerous Catholic Bishops throughout the nation criticizing Paul Ryan for his proposed budget which hurts the poor while Ryan claims it represents Catholic doctrine, the Georgetown statement highlights Ryan's Rand philosophy):

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRLM7Jh9PnrxptafWYENXdAmxnXd4gQJMYTu3H4TFHA/edit?pli=1

Religious progressives prepare to mount case against Ryan – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Paul Ryan and the Influence of Ayn Rand : The New Yorker

2. Who the f*** said I vote Democrat? I don't know why you accuse me of being liberal just because I don't like the VP nomination. In fact I don't like the presidential nominee either-- or the incumbents for that matter.
 

mgriff

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Not surprising, that picture is misleading.

Look at his votes...clicky the linky.

Also, from Title2014's link...

Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)

Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)

Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)

I'm not going to list them all for you, but read it.
 
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Irish Houstonian

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Look at his votes...clicky the linky.

Also, from Title2014's link...

Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)

Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)

Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)

I'm not going to list them all for you, but read it.

Admittedly, not many legislators bat 1000 from a Conservative ideology standpoint. But are you saying there was a more consistent conservative you would have preferred?
 

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Magogian, we can agree that people should not be getting all of their information and perspective from any one source, including a program on Comedy Central, but you're making a mistake in judging the content of a program based on the genre of the vehicle. The writers for the Daily Show (I'm less familiar with Colbert's show, but my impression is that it is of the same ilk) are every bit as knowledgeable about politics and world affairs as the pundits and producers on more traditional news programs. There may be headier sources of information, but the Daily Show audience is the most informed, intelligent, educated and affluent of any television news program.

I understand why you would dismiss the Comedy Central "news" programs, as they do not share your political perspective. But the numbers do not support your apparent supposition that these shows are not worthy sources of information for truly informed people. [Note that these shows, like most cable news programs, are not as much about delivering news as they are about providing context and perspective through analysis.]

Also, I think a lot of you guys will surprised at the reaction Ryan gets from the non-radically-conservative segment of the electorate (some portion of which you will need to win). He has virtually no appeal outside of the hard right. There is a very narrow appeal to his budget proposals. From a policy perspective, I find his ideas to be offensive and dangerous. I also think your view of his intellect is heavily influenced by how well his views align with yours.

You can tell by watching him and listening to him speak that he has convinced himself of his own brilliance, and apparently some of his political allies and fanboys are also convinced. I don't see it, personally. He definitely loves talking (and listening to himself talk) about wonky issues; his command of those issues is suspect to me.
 

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Admittedly, not many legislators bat 1000 from a Conservative ideology standpoint. But are you saying there was a more consistent conservative you would have preferred?

You must be new here...I'm just in the interest of full disclosure, that he's not the paragon being touted. People can get excited about who they want, but those are some pretty central principles, such as a small and less invasive federal government. He voted to grow the government in many situations. I'm not looking to get into arguments(I do that enough) just passing along information.

Also, I don't buy into the team methodology that our political system has become. It creates to much division and more focus on issues that divide us instead of the real issues that matter and unite us as Americans. Both sides are pushing the same deals with differences on incendiary issues which cause a ruckus and make We the People fight amongst ourselves.
 

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...I'm not looking to get into arguments(I do that enough) just passing along information.

Also, I don't buy into the team methodology that our political system has become. It creates to much division and more focus on issues that divide us instead of the real issues that matter and unite us as Americans. Both sides are pushing the same deals with differences on incendiary issues which cause a ruckus and make We the People fight amongst ourselves.

Ok, fair enough, but there are lot better places to get information than gifs from "Adam Versus the Man"...Although I do like his tank-top. And I don't think the author of your gif had in mind the unity and non-partisanship that you're looking for...
 

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Ok, fair enough, but there are lot better places to get information than gifs from "Adam Versus the Man"...Although I do like his tank-top. And I don't think the author of your gif had in mind the unity and non-partisanship that you're looking for...

You must not have seen the link I posted under the picture. The picture was a quick, concise transfer of information, the link was there as the more detailed and informative backup. You think I should have posted a wall of text? Fair play and I can do that, but I don't like clogging up a thread. You know that Adam Kokesh is not a Democrat, right?
 

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All I know is that we need someone who is willing to tell the truth to the American public about how much we are f*cked if we continue down the path that we are. You think things are bad now? Just wait. Consider the facts below and who you think is most likely to solve these problems. Social issues need to be put on the back-burner until these things get resolved.

" * As of August 1, 2012, the official debt of the United States government is $15.9 trillion ($15,907,138,660,281).[1] This amounts to:

• $50,716 for every person living in the U.S.[2]
• $134,032 for every household in the U.S.[3]

* Publicly traded companies are legally required to account for "explicit" and "implicit" future obligations such as employee pensions and retirement benefits.[4] [5] [6] The federal budget, which is the "federal government's primary financial planning and control tool," is not bound by this rule.[7] [8]

* At the close of the federal government's 2011 fiscal year (September 30, 2011), the federal government had roughly:
• $7.3 trillion ($7,319,000,000,000) in liabilities such as federal employee retirement and veterans benefits.[9]
• $18.8 trillion ($18,800,000,000,000) in unfunded obligations for current Social Security participants above and beyond projected revenues from their payroll and benefit taxes, certain transfers from the general fund of the U.S. Treasury, and assets of the Social Security trust fund.[10]
• $24.4 trillion ($24,400,000,000,000) in obligations for current Medicare participants above and beyond projected revenues from their payroll taxes, benefit taxes, premium payments, and assets of the Medicare trust fund.[11]

These figures are determined in a manner that approximates how publicly traded companies are required to calculate their liabilities and obligations.[12] [13] [14] The obligations for Social Security and Medicare represent how much money must be immediately placed in interest-bearing investments to cover the projected shortfalls between dedicated revenues and expenditures for all current participants in these programs (both taxpayers and beneficiaries).[15] [16] [17]

* Combining the figures above with the national debt and subtracting the value of federal assets, the federal government had about $60.9 trillion ($60,929,000,000,000) in debts, liabilities, and Social Security/Medicare obligations at the close of its 2011 fiscal year.[18]

* This $60.9 trillion shortfall is 106% of the combined net worth of all U.S. households and nonprofit organizations, including all assets in savings, real estate, corporate stocks, private businesses, and consumer durable goods such as automobiles.[19] [20]

* This shortfall equates to:
• $195,140 for every person living in the U.S.[21]

• $513,380 for every household in the U.S.[22]

* These figures do not account for the future costs implied by any current policies except those of the Social Security and Medicare programs.[24]

* These figures are contingent upon the continuance of current federal law and "a wide range of complex assumptions" made by federal agencies."[25] Regarding this:

• Social Security's 2011 annual report states that "significant uncertainty" surrounds the "best estimates" of future circumstances.[26]

• Medicare's 2011 annual report states that the program's financial projections "do not represent a reasonable expectation for actual program operations in either the short range … or the long range" because:

- "Current law would require a physician fee reduction of an estimated 29.4 percent on January 1, 2012—an implausible expectation."

- The Affordable Care Act (a.k.a. Obamacare) eventually reduces "Medicare prices for hospital, skilled nursing facility, home health, hospice, ambulatory surgical center, diagnostic laboratory, and many other services" to "less than half of their level under the prior law. …. Well before that point, Congress would have to intervene to prevent the withdrawal of providers from the Medicare market and the severe problems with beneficiary access to care that would result. … [This] would lead to far higher costs for Medicare in the long range than those projected under current law."[27]

National Debt - Just Facts
 

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1. Stephen Colbert is not the only person to accuse that Paul Ryan is a Ayn Rand supporter. In fact no one is accusing him of being a supporter, they are simple just stating that he is one because thats the truth. If they were accusing it, then it wouldn't be definitely factual . Here are some other media outlets criticizing Ryan for his Rand support (the first is a letter from Georgetown University agreeing with numerous Catholic Bishops throughout the nation criticizing Paul Ryan for his proposed budget which hurts the poor while Ryan claims it represents Catholic doctrine, the Georgetown statement highlights Ryan's Rand philosophy):

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRLM7Jh9PnrxptafWYENXdAmxnXd4gQJMYTu3H4TFHA/edit?pli=1

Religious progressives prepare to mount case against Ryan – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Paul Ryan and the Influence of Ayn Rand : The New Yorker

2. Who the f*** said I vote Democrat? I don't know why you accuse me of being liberal just because I don't like the VP nomination. In fact I don't like the presidential nominee either-- or the incumbents for that matter.



who is John Galt?
 

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Whats wrong with Ayn Rand? Obama had relationships with JEremiah Wright, and the guy from Weather Underground. Sure, Ayn is a little extreme, but her basic principles are provoking.

And I'd much rather follow Ayn's train of thought than the liberal:

"Dont worry, you can be an underachieving loser, we'll just tax people who work hard and become successful. They'll carry your dead weight. We should all have equal outcomes in life"
 
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