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I thought I read that the guy who played Captain Dick Winters is actually the favorite. I don't know if he can pull off suave, but he sure can be badass.

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That would be a decent choice... I also heard the cat that played loki is a possibility... for me Bond is one of those rare characters whose ethnicity and background cannot be f'd with. He's like the Scottish version of Shaft... his background is a big part of who he is, so while making Money Penny a black chick was a cool move (especially considering how hot that actress is ;) ) Making Bond anything other than a white Scotsmen would ruin it imo.
 
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That would be a decent choice... I also heard the cat that played loki is a possibility... for me Bond is one of those rare characters whose ethnicity and background cannot be f'd with. He's like the Scottish version of Shaft... his background is a big part of who he is, so while making Money Penny a black chick was a cool move (especially considering how hot that actress is ;) ) Making Bond anything other than a white Scotsmen would ruin it imo.
Tom Hiddleston? Eww.

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idk his name and have never watched those movies but I know what he looks like and just based off that I thought the same thing, kind of hard to see it... in fairness though I thought the same thing about Craig when he was announced and he's the best Bond ever imo. I love how he threw back to the books so well.
 

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Seriously though, the new Moneypenny is crazy hot... I'd drink the bath water....
 

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Well Loki is also a skinny piece of shit.

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Tom Hiddleston could definitely pull it off. Watch the Night Manager on AMC. It's a 6 part miniseries that just concluded last night.

He basically plays a British spy and I think he is brilliant.
 

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The key to Bond moving forward is pulling off the 'rage' without being unlikable.. in the books Bond is a time bomb of sorts and only Craig came even close to pulling that aspect off... the, "I'm a raging addict who can't deal with my past or the fact that I'm a Scot working for the English or that every woman I've ever cared about has been killed because of me..." thing that Fleming touches on in the books... The Craig era has brought that to the forefront and I don't see a move back to Roger Moore being successful at this point.
 

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The key to Bond moving forward is pulling off the 'rage' without being unlikable.. in the books Bond is a time bomb of sorts and only Craig came even close to pulling that aspect off... the, "I'm a raging addict who can't deal with my past or the fact that I'm a Scot working for the English or that every woman I've ever cared about has been killed because of me..." thing that Fleming touches on in the books... The Craig era has brought that to the forefront and I don't see a move back to Roger Moore being successful at this point.

To be fair...that's on the writers/producers, not the actors. they can only go with what is given to them. That is why I actually give credit to Timothy Dalton. The Living Daylights started the pull back from the cartoonish end of the Roger Moore Bond era and while not great, I think License to Kill was good and could have been better if not for the villian again becoming almost a cartoon, but hey...Wayne Newton as a bad guy...worthwhile...plus that gave us Talisa Soto as a Bond girl...Thank you VERY much

I think the biggest thing of the Craig era is that they gave the character back more of the grittiness in some of the books and more so AND while still giving the bad guys some over the top-ness, they don't become the cartoons of some of the other movies
 

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To be fair...that's on the writers/producers, not the actors. they can only go with what is given to them. That is why I actually give credit to Timothy Dalton. The Living Daylights started the pull back from the cartoonish end of the Roger Moore Bond era and while not great, I think License to Kill was good and could have been better if not for the villian again becoming almost a cartoon, but hey...Wayne Newton as a bad guy...worthwhile...plus that gave us Talisa Soto as a Bond girl...Thank you VERY much

I think the biggest thing of the Craig era is that they gave the character back more of the grittiness in some of the books and more so AND while still giving the bad guys some over the top-ness, they don't become the cartoons of some of the other movies

This is all true but the actor still has to be able to pull that balance off without blurring the lines too far...
 

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Tom Hiddleston could definitely pull it off. Watch the Night Manager on AMC. It's a 6 part miniseries that just concluded last night.

He basically plays a British spy and I think he is brilliant.

Agreed. I'd also think that Benedict Cumberbatch could do it. He often plays nerdy characters, but he's a fantastic actor with some range.
 

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Agreed. I'd also think that Benedict Cumberbatch could do it. He often plays nerdy characters, but he's a fantastic actor with some range.

I love Benedict Cumberbatch but not sure I see him in this particular role.

What do you guys think about an "older" Bond at some point? They seem to be trying to link together the movies much more now so it would make sense to progress the character in terms of age as well as plot. They can always reboot whenever they want.

I'm thinking somebody in their late 50s like Kenneth Branagh.
 

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I love Benedict Cumberbatch but not sure I see him in this particular role.

What do you guys think about an "older" Bond at some point? They seem to be trying to link together the movies much more now so it would make sense to progress the character in terms of age as well as plot. They can always reboot whenever they want.

I'm thinking somebody in their late 50s like Kenneth Branagh.

It would be a bit of a leap of faith. But it'd be like a combination of Sherlock Holmes and Khan. I could see it.
 

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The New Yorker's Nathan Heller just published an article titled "The Big Uneasy". It's a long but very eye-opening read about the ideology that's ascendant in our culture today.
 

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The New Yorker's Nathan Heller just published an article titled "The Big Uneasy". It's a long but very eye-opening read about the ideology that's ascendant in our culture today.

Great read. I encourage you all to read that.

One of the things I took away from it (and I know this is not the focal point of the article) is that there is this new culture of people who claim oppression because they identify with a group that has historically been "oppressed". In other words, those who have not personally been oppressed, claim some generic, large-scale reasons for their complaints. I.e., "I'm a woman, you can't possibly understand what I go through so take down that picture of James Bond in your dorm room because I said so."

Another specific thing that really makes me sad is hearing that a mural was covered up because it depicted a black man playing a saxophone and a snake charmer in a turban. While I would view it as an homage to John Coltrane or Charlie Parker, the modern black man views it as racism. What I would view as a depiction of Indian and Pakistani culture/religion where modern snake charming originated, others view as hateful.

It's just really sad.
 
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Some things make sense with a character and some things don't. The Steve Rogers Captain America needs to be a straight white male because his entire persona is the "man out of time..." the archetype of wholesome American masculinity as it was understood during World War II. If they want to make James Bond black, that's completely fine because race has nothing to do with his essential character traits. But he needs to be a straight man because womanizing is one of his essential character traits.

Fear not, wizards. They're just going to make Cap a Nazi instead.
 

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Some federal laws still use terms like “Negro” and “Oriental.” A new law fixes that.

The last vestiges of terms like "Negro" and "Oriental" will soon be stripped from a number of federal laws thanks to a new bill President Barack Obama signed into law on Friday.

Rep. Grace Meng's (D-NY) bill, introduced in December, mandates a revision of laws that currently use outdated, typically offensive terms for defining racial minorities to better reflect contemporary categories.

Two laws, in particular, were in question: the section regarding the Office of Minority Impact in the law that established the Department of Energy defines a person as a minority if they are "Negro, Puerto Rican, American Indian, Eskimo, Oriental, or Aleut or is a Spanish speaking individual of Spanish descent." The Local Public Works Capital Development Act of 1976 uses similar terminology. In fact, these two are the last remaining federal laws where the term "Oriental" is used to describe people, according to a statement from Meng's office.

While conducting legislative research, Meng said she noticed the terms were still being used under Title 42 of US Code, which specifically deals with public health, social welfare, and civil rights. Now, those laws will be changed so that the identities of racial minority groups listed under "Negro" will be replaced with "African Americans," "Eskimo" and "Aleut" with "Alaska Natives," "Indian" as "Native American," and "Oriental" with "Asian American."
 

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Some federal laws still use terms like “Negro” and “Oriental.” A new law fixes that.

The last vestiges of terms like "Negro" and "Oriental" will soon be stripped from a number of federal laws thanks to a new bill President Barack Obama signed into law on Friday.

Rep. Grace Meng's (D-NY) bill, introduced in December, mandates a revision of laws that currently use outdated, typically offensive terms for defining racial minorities to better reflect contemporary categories.

Two laws, in particular, were in question: the section regarding the Office of Minority Impact in the law that established the Department of Energy defines a person as a minority if they are "Negro, Puerto Rican, American Indian, Eskimo, Oriental, or Aleut or is a Spanish speaking individual of Spanish descent." The Local Public Works Capital Development Act of 1976 uses similar terminology. In fact, these two are the last remaining federal laws where the term "Oriental" is used to describe people, according to a statement from Meng's office.

While conducting legislative research, Meng said she noticed the terms were still being used under Title 42 of US Code, which specifically deals with public health, social welfare, and civil rights. Now, those laws will be changed so that the identities of racial minority groups listed under "Negro" will be replaced with "African Americans," "Eskimo" and "Aleut" with "Alaska Natives," "Indian" as "Native American," and "Oriental" with "Asian American."

No objections from me.
 

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No objections from me.

The point is that those terms, as originally used in the laws, were not generally offensive at the time even to members of those groups. They were just neutral descriptive terms or the commonly accepted names for those groups without any connotation of insult or being derogatory. They weren't blatantly insulting names like jigaboo, cracker, spic, chink, and etc. They meant EXACTLY the same thing and were just as common & acceptable then as the terms we're replacing them with now are. A generation from now if we keep on this PC bs path, we'll all be offended by the terms African American, Asian, mentally disabled, handi-capable, visually impaired, etc. There's no end to it.
 

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\Huffington Post: DePaul Admins Told Police Not To Do Their Jobs

DePaul drama queens to create ‘space for healing’ after Milo Yiannopoulos causes campus deep harm – twitchy.com

Personally, I do not understand why those on the left feel it is OK to treat a homosexual immigrant like this. I am pretty sure this qualifies as a hate crime.
DePaul President Issues Lukewarm Apology, Doesn't Say Sorry To Milo

This is rich. A CATHOLIC PRIEST ripping a flamboyantly gay man for being too anti-gay.

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Not a big fan of this Milo guy, though I, admittedly, don't know a whole lot about him. But, on the surface, he comes across as just as extreme and radical as the people he rails on against. He's just an extreme and radical conservative.
Lmao, that's exactly the kind of shit he speaks out against. All these people are vehemently anti-Milo without knowing what the heck he actually believes or stands for.

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(Note, Milo is not "alt-right" as many describe him.)
 
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