Political Correctness thread

[TheRealLynch51]

It's comical to me when older people rag on millennials like they are the problem. There are more entitlements for old people than young. It's the old people reaping the rewards of pensions, draining social security and lowering worker productivity.

I've hired a lot of people and will tell you now that I would take a millennial over a seasoned guy for entry to entry-mid positions. I find that the millennials to the ones that are hungry, still eager to learn and not yet jaded by the drain of a career.

It always seems to me that you see a lot of older people acting like they deserve more than millennials simply because they have been around longer. That is entitlement.

I have a finance degree myself and moved into a management role after two years at my company. I will say that I've seen a ton of millenials (I'm one myself) that have come and gone. Seems that there are extremes for millenials. Either very successful at a young age or they get an english degree and wonder why they're unemployed.

 

[kmoose]

It's comical to me when older people rag on millennials like they are the problem. There are more entitlements for old people than young. It's the old people reaping the rewards of pensions, draining social security and lowering worker productivity.

I've hired a lot of people and will tell you now that I would take a millennial over a seasoned guy for entry to entry-mid positions. I find that the millennials to the ones that are hungry, still eager to learn and not yet jaded by the drain of a career.

It always seems to me that you see a lot of older people acting like they deserve more than millennials simply because they have been around longer. That is entitlement.

Millennials are A problem, but there is no THE problem. Every age group has its issues. One difference is........ the older age group often has personal experiences that shape and define their grievances with society. Whereas, most Millennials have never had to face a lot of adversity. They didn't have to get paddled in school, and learn how to deal with both the pain, and the shame; they didn't get their "d!cks hammered into the dirt like bent fvckin nails" in Boot Camp; they haven't had to worry about not making the team, and then developed the resolve to do better the next year. A resolve that they then carried over into other parts of their lives, which made them successful on the first try. They really have missed out on a lot of things that we "older"(I'm 47) guys were lucky enough to experience as kids.

 

[NDRock]

Millennials are A problem, but there is no THE problem. Every age group has its issues. One difference is........ the older age group often has personal experiences that shape and define their grievances with society. Whereas, most Millennials have never had to face a lot of adversity. They didn't have to get paddled in school, and learn how to deal with both the pain, and the shame; they didn't get their "d!cks hammered into the dirt like bent fvckin nails" in Boot Camp; they haven't had to worry about not making the team, and then developed the resolve to do better the next year. A resolve that they then carried over into other parts of their lives, which made them successful on the first try. They really have missed out on a lot of things that we "older"(I'm 47) guys were lucky enough to experience as kids.

Not really true. They still paddle in many schools here in Tennesee. Sports teams here cut kids at all ages. There is an elementary basketball league for the schools here. They cut a bunch of kids in it this and every year (2nd-5th graders). I've never been in the military but the kids who joined the last 10+ years have done so knowing that we were at war. The place I have worked the last 15 years is infinitely better than when I started and a huge part is the new guys we have hired. Most of the old timers that were around when I started were absolutely useless. Like every generation, some great some not so great.

 

[kmoose]

Not really true. They still paddle in many schools here in Tennesee. Sports teams here cut kids at all ages. There is an elementary basketball league for the schools here. They cut a bunch of kids in it this and every year (2nd-5th graders). I've never been in the military but the kids who joined the last 10+ years have done so knowing that we were at war. The place I have worked the last 15 years is infinitely better than when I started and a huge part is the new guys we have hired. Most of the old timers that were around when I started were absolutely useless. Like every generation, some great some not so great.

Yes. I didn't mean to speak in absolutes. I'm sorry if it came across that way. But in my industry; most of the young kids have seriously sh!tty customer service skills. They look for excuses NOT to answer a service call, instead of just handling it and being done with it. They tell the customer it is their fault that the breakdown occurred.(sometimes it is, but it is much better customer service to just explain what happened and how to avoid it in the future than to just tell a customer that they don't know what they are doing) They take care of the immediate problem and let other little things go, which eventually turn into down time. They just don't seem to have the same pride in their work and drive to do a good job that my parents, and my friends' parents, instilled in us.

 

[NDRock]

Yes. I didn't mean to speak in absolutes. I'm sorry if it came across that way. But in my industry; most of the young kids have seriously sh!tty customer service skills. They look for excuses NOT to answer a service call, instead of just handling it and being done with it. They tell the customer it is their fault that the breakdown occurred.(sometimes it is, but it is much better customer service to just explain what happened and how to avoid it in the future than to just tell a customer that they don't know what they are doing) They take care of the immediate problem and let other little things go, which eventually turn into down time. They just don't seem to have the same pride in their work and drive to do a good job that my parents, and my friends' parents, instilled in us.

I guess it always comes down to personal experience with most of us. If you've had good luck with younger kids, your perspective will skew that way and of course the opposite is true. I will say, here in the South things seem to be a little more "old school". Both the good and the bad.

 

[BGIF]

It's comical to me when older people rag on millennials like they are the problem. There are more entitlements for old people than young. It's the old people reaping the rewards of pensions, draining social security and lowering worker productivity.

Things, they WORKED for and paid into, was part of their COMPENSATION.

I've hired a lot of people and will tell you now that I would take a millennial over a seasoned guy for entry to entry-mid positions. I find that the millennials to the ones that are hungry, still eager to learn and not yet jaded by the drain of a career.

Age discrimination lives.

It always seems to me that you see a lot of older people acting like they deserve more than millennials simply because they have been around longer. That is entitlement.

Stereotyping and hyperbole are for bigots.

 

[phgreek]

Things, they WORKED for and paid into, was part of their COMPENSATION.


Agreed. These folks were compelled to "invest", only to have that investment threatened due to poor management. There is a taste of Enron to all of this, and we were all outraged at Enron...Yes? When we fall into the trap of simply looking at a "balance sheet" of entitlements and treating all the recipients the same way, we run the risk of missing the distinction between investment and charity.

Age discrimination lives.





Stereotyping and hyperbole are for bigots.

As for the discussion at hand...my experience is closer to Kmoose's. Maybe it is an industry thing. I can list a handful of things the younger folks haven't done well in an engineering services paradigm, and few of those issues have to do with technical abilities. I've naturally evolved my interview techniques and the result is the average age of my workforce is 45+. Not because I set out to have it that way, but once you get away from technical abilities, I can tell you the attitudes and values that make a good consulting engineer (the preponderance of what we do)...right now, my process results in an older workforce...

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Lol. Seriously, dreads were present in Celtic culture long before it was a Jamaican/Rastafarian thing.

Where do you think the Caribbean islanders got them? And what do you think is a strong component of their genetic makeup?

Probably the same as where Irish Americans got corned beef, or, why so many African-Americans have Irish names, like Murphy, Grady, etc. That is remarkable, because at the time these families of African descent established their surnames, being Irish was not a good and popular thing.

Last thing on the list : Where the Irish went to get away from their ethnic repression by the English and wealthy Irish, they tended to disguise themselves, especially in the two earliest waves of emigration. And you clearly see them replacing their Catholic religion with more radical, mystical, esoteric, and cabalistic religious practices, (indicative of the pre-Christian religions of their Irish ancestors.

Postscript : Any argument lumping any group by simplistic demographic or ethnic characterizations, pro or con, is an example of where political correctness hasn't overly exerted itself. As a member of the 'older group,' being an honest to goodness Baby Boomer, and having children that are 'X's', and 'millennials,' how dare you argue your grossly over-simplistic prejudices, as accurate depictions of any 'group?'

 

[yankeehater]

I think the conversation in this thread pretty much sums up the problem as a whole. A lot of talk of generalities and stereotypes. Wooly, you mentioned you would rather hire a millennial over a seasoned guy. I hope you actually don't go into an interview or worse yet not bring someone into an interview based on those beliefs. The industry I am in we just had a gentleman retire. He was so respected and had such a phenomenal standing in it I was floored to find out his first job (sales position) in the industry was given to him at the age of 60. He ran circles around most 20 somethings. My point is you need to look at the individual not the age.

RealLynch your example applies to all groups. There will be some that are driven and others that want everything handed to them on a silver platter. I see that in my own family as I might guess is the case for most families.

 

[yankeehater]

Wooly, I do agree that millennials are not to blame. The policies that are draining the system were put in place way before they were born. I just hope they realize things can't continue as is and help make the needed changes. Otherwise we are all screwed.

 

[GoldenDome]

Millennials are A problem, but there is no THE problem. Every age group has its issues. One difference is........ the older age group often has personal experiences that shape and define their grievances with society. Whereas, most Millennials have never had to face a lot of adversity.

Seriously, where does one even come up with shit like this. You mean to tell me, a millennial that lost their job, foreclosed on their house, attained massive student debt, ruined credit score and has to pay for the increasing debt from the Iraq war is not adversity? There is no denying all age groups have their inadequacies, but I fail to see how people never had to face adversity.

Did Ian William not have to face adversity? He lived behind railroad tracks.

How about Marqise Lee? He lived in motels and foster parents.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Seriously, where does one even come up with shit like this. You mean to tell me, a millennial that lost their job, foreclosed on their house, attained massive student debt, ruined credit score and has to pay for the increasing debt from the Iraq war is not adversity? There is no denying all age groups have their inadequacies, but I fail to see how people never had to face adversity.

Did Ian William not have to face adversity? He lived behind railroad tracks.

How about Marqise Lee? He lived in motels and foster parents.

I think the key word in Kmoose's post was most. There are exceptions in every group. His point was that most millennials haven't had to face the same degree of adversity that most older people, such as baby boomers, have.

To a great extent millennials have been constantly told that they were special and every word that came out of their mouths or thought that popped into their head was sacred, unquestionable, and immune from having to actually be supported or defended with facts and that all their feelings were valid and above reproach despite evidence to the contrary. Too many of them have been shielded from any hard realities of life, have been shielded from real competition that toughens one up and enlightens you as to which things you're good at and which you aren't, and teaches you to deal with losing gracefully. They have been told that a trophy awarded for just participating was just as good as a trophy awarded for winning and doing the hard work & persevering it took to win.

My experience with millennials has been that many are totally unprepared for adulthood and the realities of the world, have a poor work ethic, expect immediate gratification and validation, and are so used to being told that everything they think & feel is sacrosanct that it's all but impossible to have a reasonable, rational discussion with them about anything. Any criticism, regardless of how justified, is taken as a personal attack and results in an emotional meltdown. They're hell to work with. They show up at work right from the beginning thinking that they already know everything, convinced that what they feel is more valid than what the facts indicate, and this makes them all but unteachable.

 

[GoIrish41]

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[GoIrish41]

I think the key word in Kmoose's post was most. There are exceptions in every group. His point was that most millennials haven't had to face the same degree of adversity that most older people, such as baby boomers, have.

To a great extent millennials have been constantly told that they were special and every word that came out of their mouths or thought that popped into their head was sacred, unquestionable, and immune from having to actually be supported or defended with facts and that all their feelings were valid and above reproach despite evidence to the contrary. Too many of them have been shielded from any hard realities of life, have been shielded from real competition that toughens one up and enlightens you as to which things you're good at and which you aren't, and teaches you to deal with losing gracefully. They have been told that a trophy awarded for just participating was just as good as a trophy awarded for winning and doing the hard work & persevering it took to win.

My experience with millennials has been that many are totally unprepared for adulthood and the realities of the world, have a poor work ethic, expect immediate gratification and validation, and are so used to being told that everything they think & feel is sacrosanct that it's all but impossible to have a reasonable, rational discussion with them about anything. Any criticism, regardless of how justified, is taken as a personal attack and results in an emotional meltdown. They're hell to work with. They show up at work right from the beginning thinking that they already know everything, convinced that what they feel is more valid than what the facts indicate, and this makes them all but unteachable.

Sounds like this country is doomed! But, we should ask ourselves where those notions you describe came from perhaps. It appears that all of us well adjusted baby boomers who were too busy trying to acquire the biggest houses, the fanciest cars and the most impressive stock portfolios didn't have our priorities straight, if the millenials are as you describe. We suck as parents if what you are saying is true. Perhaps we should have spent a little more time and attention on preparing our children for the world. It seems like bad form to fuck them up and then blame them for being fuckups. Every generation rebels against the worst things they perceive from their parents. Perhaps this is an opportunity to see ourselves through the spectrum of our offspring. There are a lot of things in this country that could be better if it wasn't for our generations' shortcomings, not the least of which are our own children.

 

[zelezo vlk]

The younger generation can only learn what is taught them.

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[GoldenDome]

I think the key word in Kmoose's post was most. There are exceptions in every group. His point was that most millennials haven't had to face the same degree of adversity that most older people, such as baby boomers, have.

To a great extent millennials have been constantly told that they were special and every word that came out of their mouths or thought that popped into their head was sacred, unquestionable, and immune from having to actually be supported or defended with facts and that all their feelings were valid and above reproach despite evidence to the contrary. Too many of them have been shielded from any hard realities of life, have been shielded from real competition that toughens one up and enlightens you as to which things you're good at and which you aren't, and teaches you to deal with losing gracefully. They have been told that a trophy awarded for just participating was just as good as a trophy awarded for winning and doing the hard work & persevering it took to win.

My experience with millennials has been that many are totally unprepared for adulthood and the realities of the world, have a poor work ethic, expect immediate gratification and validation, and are so used to being told that everything they think & feel is sacrosanct that it's all but impossible to have a reasonable, rational discussion with them about anything. Any criticism, regardless of how justified, is taken as a personal attack and results in an emotional meltdown. They're hell to work with. They show up at work right from the beginning thinking that they already know everything, convinced that what they feel is more valid than what the facts indicate, and this makes them all but unteachable.

So provide facts of this phenomenon and correlative data that supports this view. Or is this a narrow view from personal experience which I find highly hypocritical from your own philosophical view as stated above.

If you do find data most likely from a Google search you will do, please bring it to our attention.

Would you agree that millennials have a better talent at multitasking and technology? Perhaps a better philosophical view (this is my personal opinion) is to stay positive and look for good qualities instead of harping on negatives. Positivity is correlated to a longer life.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Sounds like this country is doomed! But, we should ask ourselves where those notions you describe came from perhaps. It appears that all of us well adjusted baby boomers who were too busy trying to acquire the biggest houses, the fanciest cars and the most impressive stock portfolios didn't have our priorities straight, if the millenials are as you describe. We suck as parents if what you are saying is true. Perhaps we should have spent a little more time and attention on preparing our children for the world. It seems like bad form to fuck them up and then blame them for being fuckups. Every generation rebels against the worst things they perceive from their parents. Perhaps this is an opportunity to see ourselves through the spectrum of our offspring. There are a lot of things in this country that could be better if it wasn't for our generations' shortcomings, not the least of which are our own children.

I agree with you to a great extent. Millennials weren't born being different from previous generations. They're a product of the parenting they received and the environment they grew up in. Well-intentioned efforts from their parents have had some negative consequences though.

 

[Bishop2b5]

So provide facts of this phenomenon and correlative data that supports this view. Or is this a narrow view from personal experience which I find highly hypocritical from your own philosophical view as stated above.

If you do find data most likely from a Google search you will do, please bring it to our attention.

Would you agree that millennials have a better talent at multitasking and technology? Perhaps a better philosophical view (this is my personal opinion) is to stay positive and look for good qualities instead of harping on negatives. Positivity is correlated to a longer life.

This is an opinion & discussion forum, not the Journal of American Sociology. I gave you my view as based on my own personal experiences and observations. If you want correlative data and seven pages of footnotes go visit a library at your local university or commission a study. If you just disagree and don't like my opinion, you'll just have to deal with it or give your own. That's part of living in the real world.

 

[NDinL.A.]

This is an opinion & discussion forum, not the Journal of American Sociology. I gave you my view as based on my own personal experiences and observations. If you want correlative data and seven pages of footnotes go visit a library at your local university or commission a study. If you just disagree and don't like my opinion, you'll just have to deal with it or give your own. That's part of living in the real world.

I have seen the opposite of what you have. I have worked with many, many millennials who are absolutely phenomenal and give me peace that our country is in good hands. And now that I work on campus - holy crap is there some unbelievable young talent out there. I interview young college grads on a regular basis, and I see their transcripts and their resumes, and it just blows my mind. There is a reason that my wife (ND '06) says wouldn't get into ND (or even 4 years ago according to her). That is something I hear from people her age all over the country - it is much tougher to get into good universities now than ever.

At the same time, I have also worked in education for over 20 years and I've seen the opposite from many millennials - there are many that are/were either in shitty schools and living in shitty environments and are making choices based on on their view of a bleak future, or they are given every opportunity in life and they choose to be lazy and uninspired to anything but play videos game's and live at home.

But guess what? Your parents criticized your generation too. And your grandparents criticized your parents' generation. Wash, rinse, repeat. Personally, I've seen enough amazing young people in action to believe we will be fine overall. I see a generation of youth more empathetic to the plights of others than any generation in history, and where many call that the "pussification of America", I call that progress I can get behind. I also see a dangerous trend of young people being attached to video games and other technology, and that will hurt a lot of them in the long run. I see some REALLY good, and some REALLY bad...just like any other generation.

But overall? They'll be fine IMO.

 

[Irish YJ]

Things, they WORKED for and paid into, was part of their COMPENSATION.

Clearly going with you here. SS, pensions, all earned for the most part. There were some gravy train jobs out there, but that's not the norm.


Age discrimination lives.

I'm 46 and have hired 1000s of people. Based on my experience of hiring entry to mid level positions, I'll agree with Wooly on the entry side of things when it comes to hunger and willingness to learn. There are certainly examples where this isn't true, but from what I've personally seen, Wooly is spot on with entry level positions.



Stereotyping and hyperbole are for bigots.

I find a good portion of the later eras feeling entitled. Not so much 40+ crowd in the mid to higher level positions. They do demand a higher salary, etc., but experience equating to higher pay is not entitlement to me.

Just hired about 15 entry to low mid positions (contract based work for a project). While most were young, I was extremely happy with this round of hires regardless of age (spanning 22-50). Several of the folks will easily be converted to perm, and some may challenge/push some other perm employees for positions.

 

[Irish#1]

It's comical to me when older people rag on millennials like they are the problem. There are more entitlements for old people than young. It's the old people reaping the rewards of pensions, draining social security and lowering worker productivity.

I've hired a lot of people and will tell you now that I would take a millennial over a seasoned guy for entry to entry-mid positions. I find that the millennials to the ones that are hungry, still eager to learn and not yet jaded by the drain of a career.

It always seems to me that you see a lot of older people acting like they deserve more than millennials simply because they have been around longer. That is entitlement.

We usually agree on a lot of things, but you're off base here. I grew up in the hippie generation and we were criticized as going to be failures. Older people may feel entitled to SS and pensions, but that's because they have paid into it for 40+ years.

Millennials are no different than any previous generation. You have those who are willing to carry their weight and those who want to coast by with the least amount of effort. Same goes for older generations. People are who they are and growing older doesn't change their stripes. If you're one who puts in an effort when your young, you'll continue to do that when you're older. Same for those who want to take the easy road. They'll want the easy path all their life.

Do you hire a millennial or a seasoned worker? Could be either. That's where real interviewing comes into play.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I have seen the opposite of what you have. I have worked with many, many millennials who are absolutely phenomenal and give me peace that our country is in good hands. And now that I work on campus - holy crap is there some unbelievable young talent out there. I interview young college grads on a regular basis, and I see their transcripts and their resumes, and it just blows my mind. There is a reason that my wife (ND '06) says wouldn't get into ND (or even 4 years ago according to her). That is something I hear from people her age all over the country - it is much tougher to get into good universities now than ever.

At the same time, I have also worked in education for over 20 years and I've seen the opposite from many millennials - there are many that are/were either in shitty schools and living in shitty environments and are making choices based on on their view of a bleak future, or they are given every opportunity in life and they choose to be lazy and uninspired to anything but play videos game's and live at home.

But guess what? Your parents criticized your generation too. And your grandparents criticized your parents' generation. Wash, rinse, repeat. Personally, I've seen enough amazing young people in action to believe we will be fine overall. I see a generation of youth more empathetic to the plights of others than any generation in history, and where many call that the "pussification of America", I call that progress I can get behind. I also see a dangerous trend of young people being attached to video games and other technology, and that will hurt a lot of them in the long run. I see some REALLY good, and some REALLY bad...just like any other generation.

But overall? They'll be fine IMO.

Ditto for me on all of this. Students are more involved, stretched thinner, and more engaged than ever before. They are in more activities, taking more AP courses, and planning more for college than ever before. Of course there are some who are lazy and entitled. But the second bolded section is also incredibly true. Every generation thinks the next generation is full of crap.

 

[D-BOE34]

I have 48 employees in retail, selling technology. I hate hiring most millennials. They want to work less and get paid more. Yes, they could be GREAT at what they do but they want more money before they will do it. What a joke!

Someone above said the learn what they are taught. Love that because it is not true in my business. I teach them about a lot of things. I coach them on their jobs. I even help them with 401K and health insurance. They don't give a damn! I have changed the way I hire people and it is pretty much referral only. Or, I tell you straight up what my expectations are, the plan to get you moved up and then swipe you form a competitor.

My best employees aren't savvy with phones but they are 35+ years old and are willing to work for their money.

 

[NDgradstudent]

I have seen the opposite of what you have. I have worked with many, many millennials who are absolutely phenomenal and give me peace that our country is in good hands. And now that I work on campus - holy crap is there some unbelievable young talent out there. I interview young college grads on a regular basis, and I see their transcripts and their resumes, and it just blows my mind. There is a reason that my wife (ND '06) says wouldn't get into ND (or even 4 years ago according to her). That is something I hear from people her age all over the country - it is much tougher to get into good universities now than ever.

I'm a "millenial" myself, and spend lots of time with "millenials," and have a very different view. They can put things on their resume, great. When everyone has to do it, the meaning is cheapened. Everyone is told to get 'leadership' experience, volunteer work, etc., etc., on their resume. You could also argue that the fact that GPAs are higher today proves how much smarter students are than in the past. That could be the explanation, but there is at least one other possible explanation...

As for ND, the main reason that it is hard to get into today is that around half the spots are taken by legacies, children of donors/professors, minorities, and athletes, all of whom receive a substantial admissions boost. This of course raises the standards for everyone else so that ND can keep its SAT/GPA figures where they need to be to retain its position in the USNWR rankings.

At the same time, I have also worked in education for over 20 years and I've seen the opposite from many millennials - there are many that are/were either in shitty schools and living in shitty environments and are making choices based on on their view of a bleak future, or they are given every opportunity in life and they choose to be lazy and uninspired to anything but play videos game's and live at home.

This is closer to my experience. My objection to millenials is not that they are lazy. It is that many of them are ignorant fanatics who want to censor opinions that they disagree with. Nor can they typically form coherent arguments.

But guess what? Your parents criticized your generation too. And your grandparents criticized your parents' generation. Wash, rinse, repeat. Personally, I've seen enough amazing young people in action to believe we will be fine overall. I see a generation of youth more empathetic to the plights of others than any generation in history, and where many call that the "pussification of America", I call that progress I can get behind. I also see a dangerous trend of young people being attached to video games and other technology, and that will hurt a lot of them in the long run. I see some REALLY good, and some REALLY bad...just like any other generation.

More empathetic to the plights of others? They tend to be highly self-obsessed, vain, and careerist. To the extent they lecture everyone else about empathy, they are in Patrick Bateman mode.

I hear the 'everyone has always complained about the young people' line quite often. There is some truth to it, of course. But it does not follow that every generation is exactly the same in value, equally likely to defend the norms and institutions that matter in our society, and so on. Generations are different from each and do change, and not always for the better.

 

[NDinL.A.]

You're speaking in ridiculous absolutes, and in my experience it's a massive waste of time talking to anyone who speaks so faaaaaaar to one side. Peace.

 

[GoldenDome]

This is an opinion & discussion forum, not the Journal of American Sociology. I gave you my view as based on my own personal experiences and observations. If you want correlative data and seven pages of footnotes go visit a library at your local university or commission a study. If you just disagree and don't like my opinion, you'll just have to deal with it or give your own. That's part of living in the real world.

Statements such as generalizing an entire demographic should be provided by certain correlative evidence. Ironic that a person who claimed to provide facts has the audacity to not back their opinions by some sort of evidence that excludes personal bias. But carry on bashing.

I can deal with it. But this really isn't about me now is it?

 

[NDgradstudent]

I'll produce some evidence for my views; I obviously cannot be responsible for anybody else's views. Above I wrote that

My objection to millenials is not that they are lazy. It is that many of them are ignorant fanatics who want to censor opinions that they disagree with.

First, the ignorance: millenials mostly lack basic political knowledge. Grade inflation is extensively documented here and here.

And then the fanaticism: millenials are much more comfortable than older people with government restrictions upon "offensive" speech.

If this trend continues -and most colleges encourage this way of thinking- then the country is certainly not in "good hands."

 

[IrishLion]

I don't want to get too invested into this, as I don't do research or feel overly strong about it.

But when the "Millenials" are brought up/criticized, I can't help but laugh at the hypocrisy that springs from both sides of the issue.

On one side, there are the lazy millenials who want to "get paid more for less work" or "have a safe zone because feelings."

On the other side, you have the generation that raised the humans that have these attitudes.

The generalization that occurs from both sides towards the other is crazy. I'm a millenial, but I was raised to work for what I want, to know that sometimes I'm not the best, and to generally not be an asshole. It's amazing how far these three things can take you.

I got a shitty degree in a dying field, with an even shittier minor (unless I want to be a teacher someday maybe). But, because I worked five years through college at two different jobs, I was able to use my degree to get a job right after graduation. It required some good luck and some fortunate timing, but I was hired over other people that probably had degrees that were more applicable, all because the people that hired me were aware of my track record as a worker.

And in my experience, through several different jobs, my "track record as a worker" is probably best summed up as "is not an asshole; is not a dumbass; is capable of being trained; would hire again."

It absolutely drives me nuts that there are millenials out there who give us all a bad rep because they can't master even the above three things, and because they are too lazy, and want to be handed everything.

But it also absolutely drives me nuts that there are probably the same number of members from older generations in positions that they absolutely should not be in. There are older people in my workplace that make two or three times the amount of money I make, but I know for a fact that I could do their job better and more efficiently.

I could generalize about older generations all day based on my experiences with how terrible they can be in the modern work place, just like people generalize about millenials all day based on the fact that they are lazy.

It's frustrating, though, because "lazy millenials" aren't rewarded (for the most part), which is why you hear them out causing a ruckus about entitlements and safe-spaces. Whereas "lazy older people" don't need to worry about being "rewarded," because so many of them are in positions that they don't easily give up to those of us millenials that work harder and are rewarded for less.

I hope to someday be that lazy member of the older generation, watching the younger generation work harder for less.

This is my stream-of-consciousness way of saying: everybody has the potential to suck. The members of my generation that suck just get more media coverage because of the modern technology that puts life itself on broadcast.

 

[EvilleIrish]

I don't want to get too invested into this, as I don't do research or feel overly strong about it.

But when the "Millenials" are brought up/criticized, I can't help but laugh at the hypocrisy that springs from both sides of the issue.

On one side, there are the lazy millenials who want to "get paid more for less work" or "have a safe zone because feelings."

On the other side, you have the generation that raised the humans that have these attitudes.

The generalization that occurs from both sides towards the other is crazy. I'm a millenial, but I was raised to work for what I want, to know that sometimes I'm not the best, and to generally not be an asshole. It's amazing how far these three things can take you.

I got a shitty degree in a dying field, with an even shittier minor (unless I want to be a teacher someday maybe). But, because I worked five years through college at two different jobs, I was able to use my degree to get a job right after graduation. It required some good luck and some fortunate timing, but I was hired over other people that probably had degrees that were more applicable, all because the people that hired me were aware of my track record as a worker.

And in my experience, through several different jobs, my "track record as a worker" is probably best summed up as "is not an asshole; is not a dumbass; is capable of being trained; would hire again."

It absolutely drives me nuts that there are millenials out there who give us all a bad rep because they can't master even the above three things, and because they are too lazy, and want to be handed everything.

But it also absolutely drives me nuts that there are probably the same number of members from older generations in positions that they absolutely should not be in. There are older people in my workplace that make two or three times the amount of money I make, but I know for a fact that I could do their job better and more efficiently.

I could generalize about older generations all day based on my experiences with how terrible they can be in the modern work place, just like people generalize about millenials all day based on the fact that they are lazy.

It's frustrating, though, because "lazy millenials" aren't rewarded (for the most part), which is why you hear them out causing a ruckus about entitlements and safe-spaces. Whereas "lazy older people" don't need to worry about being "rewarded," because so many of them are in positions that they don't easily give up to those of us millenials that work harder and are rewarded for less.

I hope to someday be that lazy member of the older generation, watching the younger generation work harder for less.

This is my stream-of-consciousness way of saying: everybody has the potential to suck. The members of my generation that suck just get more media coverage because of the modern technology that puts life itself on broadcast.

Don't be hatin

 

[RDU Irish]

I don't want to get too invested into this, as I don't do research or feel overly strong about it.

But when the "Millenials" are brought up/criticized, I can't help but laugh at the hypocrisy that springs from both sides of the issue.

On one side, there are the lazy millenials who want to "get paid more for less work" or "have a safe zone because feelings."

On the other side, you have the generation that raised the humans that have these attitudes.

The generalization that occurs from both sides towards the other is crazy. I'm a millenial, but I was raised to work for what I want, to know that sometimes I'm not the best, and to generally not be an asshole. It's amazing how far these three things can take you.

I got a shitty degree in a dying field, with an even shittier minor (unless I want to be a teacher someday maybe). But, because I worked five years through college at two different jobs, I was able to use my degree to get a job right after graduation. It required some good luck and some fortunate timing, but I was hired over other people that probably had degrees that were more applicable, all because the people that hired me were aware of my track record as a worker.

And in my experience, through several different jobs, my "track record as a worker" is probably best summed up as "is not an asshole; is not a dumbass; is capable of being trained; would hire again."

It absolutely drives me nuts that there are millenials out there who give us all a bad rep because they can't master even the above three things, and because they are too lazy, and want to be handed everything.

But it also absolutely drives me nuts that there are probably the same number of members from older generations in positions that they absolutely should not be in. There are older people in my workplace that make two or three times the amount of money I make, but I know for a fact that I could do their job better and more efficiently.

I could generalize about older generations all day based on my experiences with how terrible they can be in the modern work place, just like people generalize about millenials all day based on the fact that they are lazy.

It's frustrating, though, because "lazy millenials" aren't rewarded (for the most part), which is why you hear them out causing a ruckus about entitlements and safe-spaces. Whereas "lazy older people" don't need to worry about being "rewarded," because so many of them are in positions that they don't easily give up to those of us millenials that work harder and are rewarded for less.

I hope to someday be that lazy member of the older generation, watching the younger generation work harder for less.

This is my stream-of-consciousness way of saying: everybody has the potential to suck. The members of my generation that suck just get more media coverage because of the modern technology that puts life itself on broadcast.

Don't aspire to be the lazy older folks. They tend to get downsized in their early to mid 50s and struggle with the realization that their skills are worth 1/2 to 1/3rd of what they were making before. The hard workers always have options, even in crappy job markets.

So over spring break my 12 year old was feeling a little bit neglected since I busted his ass with yard work while all his buddies were on vacations. We are in a "that's what checkbooks are for" neighborhood so some social stigma with doing manual labor. After the standard "this is why you hit the books" response I would point out easy things we were doing that he could make money doing for others. And how we were getting a better workout than the people jogging by. And how we save tons of money doing it ourselves. And how he should respect people doing this work for a living. Hopefully something worthwhile got through.

I do think there is a significant suburban utopia issue in the millennial stereotypes. You really don't HAVE to do anything to have a pretty damn comfortable existence. Kids don't work, their job is school and sports/activities/building a college resume. Well I did all of that AND worked growing up - uphill both ways dammit! Now get off my lawn!