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Interesting read...all the more so since it is The Daily Beast, by no means a right leaning media outpost

The most substantial of the activists’ demands is a call for a new college that would essentially train students to become social justice warriors (a term often applied derogatorily by critics of leftism that nevertheless seems appropriate here). WWU must meet the needs of this new “College of Power and Liberation” by immediately hiring 10 faculty members—subject to the approval of student-activists. Finding the money to do all this is solely the responsibility of WWU’s administration, “whose accountability to students should be expressed through their fervent advocacy for students’ needs at both the local and state levels,” according to the activists, who want an extra $50,000 to throw a kick-off party for the new college. Another $45,000 will go toward paying students to do “de-colonial work on campus,” whatever that means.

Activists have also demanded the creation of an Office for Social Transformation, which would employ 15 students—young Robespierres in training—for the purposes of monitoring “racist, anti-black, transphobic, cissexist, misogynistic, ableist, homophobic, Islamophobic, and otherwise oppressive behavior on campus.” (Anti-Semitism, one notes, is curiously omitted.) These students will be granted terrifying powers to discipline faculty members who commit microaggressions. Professors—even tenured professors—can and will be placed under investigation if they are accused of maintaining insufficiently safe spaces within their classrooms.

These measures are hailed as “progressive” by the activists—because what could be more progressive than committees of liberal extremists conducting thoughtcrime investigations?

The third serious demand is for the creation of new residence halls geared around specific cultural identities. Students claim the goal is for people from different backgrounds to live together and make new connections. But if this were true, no new dorm arrangements would be necessary—different people living together is what happens at college by default. Reading between the lines, it sounds like student-activists actually want the opposite: They want to create residential safe spaces built around certain exclusive group identities.

The result of such arrangements would be a form of de facto cultural segregation that one might expect students would oppose if they were actual progressives. In any case, these communities will be policed by residential advisors tasked with the specific goal of creating social justice activism programs. As with the proposal for “oppression studies” in the dorms at American University, it seems like the idea is to turn the campus into a zone of liberal ideological conformity from which there is no escape.

First bolded item, I brought this same thing up earlier, that I have found that SJW is normally a term used derogatorily towards people who seemingly go above and beyond in the PC realm.

Second bolded item, sounds a bit like the Salem witch trails doesn't it?

The last couple of paragraphs, I agree with the author. While they seem to state they want people of different backgrounds to mix and live together, it really does sound like they want segregation in practice and I don't know how they could even in force that in today's world of persons identifying as something other than what they were physically born as
 

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First bolded item, I brought this same thing up earlier, that I have found that SJW is normally a term used derogatorily towards people who seemingly go above and beyond in the PC realm.
Right. Social Justice Warrior is a derogatory term because both "social justice" and "warrior" are used sarcastically. SJWs aren't fighting for "social justice," they're fighting for socialism. They're not the same thing. Likewise, they're not "warriors," they're hashtavists.
 

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I have always viewed PC as the way to avoid microaggressions. Dr. Sue has famously broken down microaggressions into three parts (which have since moved beyond race and to every other minority label in the USA):
• Microassaults: Conscious and intentional discriminatory actions: using racial epithets, displaying White supremacist symbols - swastikas, or preventing one's son or daughter from dating outside of their race.

• Microinsults: Verbal, nonverbal, and environmental communications that subtly convey rudeness and insensitivity that demean a person's racial heritage or identity. An example is an employee who asks a co-worker of color how he/she got his/her job, implying he/she may have landed it through an affirmative action or quota system.

• Microinvalidations: Communications that subtly exclude negate or nullify the thoughts, feelings or experiential reality of a person of color. For instance, White people often ask Latinos where they were born, conveying the message that they are perpetual foreigners in their own land.

I think everyone can agree that microassaults are things we want to eliminate. What I want to mention is the microinvalidations. These are commonly described as people saying things that can negatively impact others without even knowing they are doing it. I do know these things can happen and it can be destructive. For example, one of my siblings had an eating disorder. During treatment, it was shared that people making comments (often times things most people would consider compliments) about simple every day things can fuel the fire.

But here is the thing, those being hurt by microinvalidations have two options....1) confront individuals and have a productive discussion or 2) internalize or have an outburst (physically or verbally), which can be even more destructive. In the case of my sibling, when the entire family was aware of what was going on and how comments were being interpreted, adjustments could be made. It certainly changed the way that I address comments of food to others, b/c I have no idea who may have a disorder.

Aggressions that lead to people talking, becoming more aware, is, IMO, a good thing. But there is a fine line. If people don't take the time to talk thru it, or even worse, take their stance to social media, they run the risk of appearing like they are seeking victim status. Once that line is crossed, it leaves others with a bad taste in their mouth. This is where I think many people are coming from when they say it has gone too far. In fact, there was a great paper discussing this. The conclusion and link is below.

I it is true that the phenomenon o microaggression complaints heralds a new stage in the evolution o conflict and social control, we should be aware that changing a moral culture also reshapes social lie beyond the realm o conflict. Moral ideas orient one’s entire lie. In an honor culture, or example, they affect people’s leisure and sel-presentation: Ever concerned with appearing brave and strong, the honorable oen gamble, drink heavily, and openly boast about their exploits (Cooney 1998: Chapter 5). Contrast these behaviors with the socialization toward restraint ound in dignity cultures, which do not value reckless behavior and abhor boasting in most contexts (Elias [1939] 1982: 230-286; Pinker 2011: 59-116). Te emerging victimhood culture appears to share dignity’s disdain or risk, but it does condone calling attention to onesel as long as one is calling attention to one’s own hardships – to weaknesses rather than strengths and to exploitation rather than exploits.

For example, students writing personal statements as part o their applications or colleges and graduate schools oen write not o their academic achievements but instead – with the encouragement o the universities – about overcoming adversity such as a parent’s job loss or having to shop at thri stores (Lieber 2014).
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And in a setting where people increasingly eschew toleration and publicly air complaints to compel official action, personal discomort looms large in official policy. For example, consider recent calls or “trigger warnings” in college classes or on course syllabuses to orewarn students they are about to exposed to topics that cause them distress, such as when a guide or aculty at Oberlin College (later withdrawn aer aculty complaints) suggested that the novel
Tings Fall Apart
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because it takes place in colonial Nigeria, could “trigger students who have experienced racism, colonialism, religious persecution, violence, suicide, and more” (quoted in Medina 2014). Similarly, at Rutgers University an article in the student newspaper suggested that an appropriate trigger warning or
Te Great Gatsby
would notiy students that it depicted suicide, domestic abuse, and graphic violence (Wythe 2014; see also Jarvie 2014). Another inevitable consequence o cultural change is conflict – in this case, the clash between competing moral systems. As we noted at the beginning o this article, the practice o publicizing microaggressions has attracted controversy and criticism even rom within the academic communities that generate it. So too have various social media campaigns and pushes or trigger warnings (e.g., Schmidt 2014). What we are seeing in these controversies is the clash between dignity and victimhood, much as in earlier times there was a clash between honor and dignity. Looking at those clashes, we know that when contradictory moral ideals exist alongside one another people may be unsure how to act, not confident o whether others will praise or condemn them. Believing his public reputation would otherwise suffer, Alexander Hamilton elt compelled to fight a duel even though he wrote that his “moral and religious principles are strongly opposed to the practice o dueling” (quoted in Seitz 1929: 98). Yet aer Hamilton was killed the public vilified his opponent Aaron Burr as a murderer and denounced the practice o dueling – certainly not the reaction either man would have expected. oday among the poor in inner cities and in other environments where honor lives on, conflict and conusion about honor and dignity continue. Outsiders who enter such settings might misunderstand the local standards o provocation to their own detriment, while insiders who seek success in mainstream society might find their reaction to slights viewed as a sign o immaturity and low sel-control.
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At universities and many other environments in modern America the clash between dignity and victimhood engenders a similar kind o moral conusion: One person’s standard provokes another’s grievance, acts o social control themselves are treated as deviant, and unintentional offenses abound.And the conflict will continue. As it does each side will make its case, attracting supporters and winning or losing various battles. But remember that the moral concepts each side invokes are not ree-floating ideas; they are reflections o social organization. Microaggression complaints and other specimens o victimhood occur in atomized and diverse settings that are airly egalitarian except or the presence o strong and stable authority. In these settings behaviors that jeopardize equality or demean minority cultures are rare and those that occur mostly minor, but in this context even minor offenses – or perceived offenses – cause much anguish. And while the authorities and others might be sympathetic, their support is not automatic. Add to this mix modern communication technologies that make it easy to publicize grievances, and the result, as we have seen, is the rise o a victimhood culture. Tis culture arose because o the rise o social conditions conducive to it, and i it prevails it will be because those conditions have prevailed.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...1010/racial-microaggressions-in-everyday-life

Microaggression and Moral Cultures | Jason Manning and Bradley Campbell - Academia.edu
 

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Interesting read...all the more so since it is The Daily Beast, by no means a right leaning media outpost



First bolded item, I brought this same thing up earlier, that I have found that SJW is normally a term used derogatorily towards people who seemingly go above and beyond in the PC realm.

Second bolded item, sounds a bit like the Salem witch trails doesn't it?

The last couple of paragraphs, I agree with the author. While they seem to state they want people of different backgrounds to mix and live together, it really does sound like they want segregation in practice and I don't know how they could even in force that in today's world of persons identifying as something other than what they were physically born as

You didn't even get to the good stuff mate. Screw the article, just read their demands. They want to be paid for being SJWs by the college, they want the university to pay them if they feel insulted or harassed, and they want to as a small group be able to suspend without pay and/or fire faculty, staff, administrators, etc.

At first, reading through their demands it did not sound that bad. Create a separate college for things like black history, gender studies, and the like? Sure! Great! And then it just started to sound like extortion...
 

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This is a great, on topic post for this thread. Students making Orwellian and totalitarian demands, promoting segregation, etc. in the name of PC. This is what the thread was created about. It's no longer about "decency" towards marginalized people and the common man... it's gone WAY too far and is about vindictive suppression of opposing viewpoints.

I can't even wrap my head around these people. I have a couple of these types of people as Facebook friends and the entertainment value is pretty high.
 

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UConn officials explain thinking behind African American male-only section of dorm | FOX 61

SCHOLA2RS House--which stands for scholastic house of leaders who are African American researchers and scholars--is set to be housed inside NextGen Hall, which is scheduled to open in fall 2016. Here is the description from UConn's website:

Uconn ScHOLA2RS House is a scholastic initiative to groom, nurture, and train the next generation of leaders to address grand challenges in society through the promotion of academic success in undergraduate programs at the University of Connecticut and in competitive graduate programs.

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You didn't even get to the good stuff mate. Screw the article, just read their demands. They want to be paid for being SJWs by the college, they want the university to pay them if they feel insulted or harassed, and they want to as a small group be able to suspend without pay and/or fire faculty, staff, administrators, etc.

At first, reading through their demands it did not sound that bad. Create a separate college for things like black history, gender studies, and the like? Sure! Great! And then it just started to sound like extortion...

And since it is already a very liberal university, sure make that new college for those fields. As you said, then they go way too far with demands. Really interested to see how this plays out there.
 

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Activists have also demanded the creation of an Office for Social Transformation, which would employ 15 students—young Robespierres in training—for the purposes of monitoring “racist, anti-black, transphobic, cissexist, misogynistic, ableist, homophobic, Islamophobic, and otherwise oppressive behavior on campus.” (Anti-Semitism, one notes, is curiously omitted.)
They made some of those words up.

I googled cissexism. Jesus save us.

I’m a born-and-bred South African. While I can’t speak for the rest of the world, I can safely say that the sexual education in South Africa is problematic. Heterosexism, impracticality, sexism, and slut-shaming aside, it is also extremely cissexist.

From a young age, we are taught that little girls have vaginas and little boys have penises. Later, we are taught about a “woman’s reproductive system” and a ”man’s reproductive system.”

In Life Orientation, we discuss women using oral contraception and men using condoms.

In all of these instances, gender is conflated with genitals.
3 Examples of Everyday Cissexism — Everyday Feminism
 
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"In all of these instances, gender is conflated with genitals."

Oh my god.

Yeah... how dare they conflate gender with genitals... I guess they're looking for them to use "male and "female" instead of "man and "woman"? The argument is self-defeating, because someone's genitals even have bearing for transexuals... you're consider a pre-op or post-op transexual depending on whether you've had the reassignment surgery yet.
 

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Yeah... how dare they conflate gender with genitals... I guess they're looking for them to use "male and "female" instead of "man and "woman"? The argument is self-defeating, because someone's genitals even have bearing for transexuals... you're consider a pre-op or post-op transexual depending on whether you've had the reassignment surgery yet.

not to mention genetics

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"In all of these instances, gender is conflated with genitals."

Oh my god.

This one was my favorite:

"In reality, there are many instances in which people with XX chromosomes have penises and people with XY chromosomes have vaginas."

I never realized that there were MANY instances of this occurring. I was always under the impression that it was a rare phenomena if something like this happened... What do I know though, right?
 

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This one was my favorite:

"In reality, there are many instances in which people with XX chromosomes have penises and people with XY chromosomes have vaginas."

I never realized that there were MANY instances of this occurring. I was always under the impression that it was a rare phenomena if something like this happened... What do I know though, right?

I seem to recall the movie Kindergarten Cop having an important take on this from one of its students...
 

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This one was my favorite:

"In reality, there are many instances in which people with XX chromosomes have penises and people with XY chromosomes have vaginas."

I never realized that there were MANY instances of this occurring. I was always under the impression that it was a rare phenomena if something like this happened... What do I know though, right?

I 100% support a person's right to happiness. If that means they have a penis, but they want to identify as female, and they want to have surgery to make a physical change? That's cool! Whatever makes you happy!

But this goes far beyond defending someone's right to identify and avoid discrimination. This is absurd. Trying to get upset and literally avoid the root of "Gender" in "Genitals" and "Genetics" is not the right way to go about discussing the issue. This is jumping the shark.
 

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I 100% support a person's right to happiness. If that means they have a penis, but they want to identify as female, and they want to have surgery to make a physical change? That's cool! Whatever makes you happy!

But this goes far beyond defending someone's right to identify and avoid discrimination. This is absurd. Trying to get upset and literally avoid the root of "Gender" in "Genitals" and "Genetics" is not the right way to go about discussing the issue. This is jumping the shark.

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This one was my favorite:

"In reality, there are many instances in which people with XX chromosomes have penises and people with XY chromosomes have vaginas."

I never realized that there were MANY instances of this occurring. I was always under the impression that it was a rare phenomena if something like this happened... What do I know though, right?
XX male syndrome is 4 in 100,000.

Swyer syndomre (XY gonadal dysgenesis) is 1 in 80,000.

I 100% support a person's right to happiness. If that means they have a penis, but they want to identify as female, and they want to have surgery to make a physical change? That's cool! Whatever makes you happy!

But this goes far beyond defending someone's right to identify and avoid discrimination. This is absurd. Trying to get upset and literally avoid the root of "Gender" in "Genitals" and "Genetics" is not the right way to go about discussing the issue. This is jumping the shark.
I disagree on the surgery. It's genital mutilation, akin to encouraging an anorexic person to go on a diet because she really believes she's obese. I wouldn't outlaw it, but I don't think it should be encouraged and certainly not subsidized.
 

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I disagree on the surgery. It's genital mutilation, akin to encouraging an anorexic person to go on a diet because she really believes she's obese. I wouldn't outlaw it, but I don't think it should be encouraged and certainly not subsidized.

Idk, I personally think it's closer to someone having elective plastic surgery.

An anorexic person going on a diet is detrimental to their health. A man becoming a woman in the physical sense via safe medical procedures is not a health risk.
 
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Yeah... how dare they conflate gender with genitals... I guess they're looking for them to use "male and "female" instead of "man and "woman"? The argument is self-defeating, because someone's genitals even have bearing for transexuals... you're consider a pre-op or post-op transexual depending on whether you've had the reassignment surgery yet.

No, I don't think changing adjectives has anything to do with it.


CIS, is an interesting topic for conversation. I suppose it all depends on whether you believe in the Biblical view of man and woman, Eve being the rib of Adam and all, or have a modern view with a hypothesis (not thoroughly vetted as it hasn't had time enough to be tested) that gender assignment more complex and is independent of strict genetic assignment. (As is anything else from race, to eye color, to growth patterns and overall size, etc., etc.)

not to mention genetics

xx xy

What about XXY, XXX, XYY, etc.?

Science didn't identify any of those until fairly recently. The proof is that lay people still don't know about them, or at least consider them.

But the conversation of assigned gender may not even be at a genetic level, when you are talking about assigned gender differing from genetic gender. There are portions of the brain, that affect glandular, therefore endocrinary affect. There are other differences in the brain that can affect a persons development from the compression of the brain, to the size of certain folds, to the development of the hippocampus, and frontal cortex.

I sure as shit don't know what I am talking about, but there is science to back it up, and I am not going to discount it by nature of the sheer accuracy of scientific progress over ancient literature.

I more than agree some take things too far, but on the other hand I have an equal problem with creationists. My first question to them is, did they get a flu shot, or any vaccines?

But, God love all of you that have the time to manage these perceived societal assaults, I am busy enough writing my novels!
 

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Idk, I personally think it's closer to someone having elective plastic surgery.

An anorexic person going on a diet is detrimental to their health. A man becoming a woman in the physical sense via safe medical procedures is not a health risk.

How dare you not be PC on this. If Wiz wants to equate it to mutilation that's his non-gender, non-age, non-ethnicity right to do so.
 

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I cannot wait until people who are currently called Liberals get upset because the word has become hurtful to them and no longer describes them in a non-threatening way. As a Classic Liberal, it makes me sick that I have to share the word with people who I'll have to build shelter for and feed when the world takes a shit.
 

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How dare you not be PC on this. If Wiz wants to equate it to mutilation that's his non-gender, non-age, non-ethnicity right to do so.

So you are saying wiz self-identifies as someone who wants to equate it to mutilation that's his non-gender, non-age, non-ethnicity right to do so?
 

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What about XXY, XXX, XYY, etc.?

Science didn't identify any of those until fairly recently. The proof is that lay people still don't know about them, or at least consider them.
Yeah, but now that science has identified them, they're identified as disorders. This isn't a biblical issue at all. It's high school freshman biology class that tells us that the purpose of biological organisms is to reproduce. Humans reproduce sexually, and sexual reproduction requires the union of complimentary male and female reproductive organs.

One thing that I think would be fascinating is a bona fide analysis of transgendered individuals and the prevalence of chromosomal abnormalities among them.
 

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So. You run into a rash of folks telling you not to refer to black people as black?

Or was that a thing you saw on the internet?.

Be honest.

Yes, it has really happened to me. I've had people attempt to correct me for saying "Black" instead of "African-American." Believe it or not, some of us in this thread are not arguing in dishonest bad faith, but based on personal experience and observation.
 

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Black[/B] Irish;1701595]Yes, it has really happened to me. I've had people attempt to correct me for saying "Black" instead of "African-American." Believe it or not, some of us in this thread are not arguing in dishonest bad faith, but based on personal experience and observation.

I think it is time you change your username.
 

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Yes, it has really happened to me. I've had people attempt to correct me for saying "Black" instead of "African-American." Believe it or not, some of us in this thread are not arguing in dishonest bad faith, but based on personal experience and observation.

Some jerk with a 'Cruz 2016' sticker just cut me off this Friday. He also had a "one man one woman" sticker and something about contrails painted on his tailgate.

He screamed the N-word at me as he sped by.

(I can tell stories on the internet too)
 
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