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Senate Democrat calling for disarming the police the day after a cop is chased by a madman with a knife and two others are shot in an ambush. This is defunding police to the next level. No press were available to ask Joe Biden if he agrees.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Portland police routinely attack peaceful protestors with brute force. We must disarm these officers, and every other police department in America, of weapons of war, and enact a nationwide ban on tear gas, rubber and plastic bullets, and bean bag rounds. <a href="https://t.co/PDZcjhmSLB">https://t.co/PDZcjhmSLB</a></p>— Ed Markey (@SenMarkey) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/1305513214663426049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Senate Democrat calling for disarming the police the day after a cop is chased by a madman with a knife and two others are shot in an ambush. This is defunding police to the next level. No press were available to ask Joe Biden if he agrees.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Portland police routinely attack peaceful protestors with brute force. We must disarm these officers, and every other police department in America, of weapons of war, and enact a nationwide ban on tear gas, rubber and plastic bullets, and bean bag rounds. <a href="https://t.co/PDZcjhmSLB">https://t.co/PDZcjhmSLB</a></p>— Ed Markey (@SenMarkey) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/1305513214663426049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Take away rubber and plastic bullets and that just leaves lead.
 

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Senate Democrat calling for disarming the police the day after a cop is chased by a madman with a knife and two others are shot in an ambush. This is defunding police to the next level. No press were available to ask Joe Biden if he agrees.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Portland police routinely attack peaceful protestors with brute force. We must disarm these officers, and every other police department in America, of weapons of war, and enact a nationwide ban on tear gas, rubber and plastic bullets, and bean bag rounds. <a href="https://t.co/PDZcjhmSLB">https://t.co/PDZcjhmSLB</a></p>— Ed Markey (@SenMarkey) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/1305513214663426049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

These are not serious people, good Lord.
 

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Louisville officially paying $12 million wrongful death lawsuit settlement to Breonna Taylor's family.

The officers will still face no justice, and the taxpayers will be the ones footing the bill for police negligence.
 

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Louisville officially paying $12 million wrongful death lawsuit settlement to Breonna Taylor's family.

The officers will still face no justice, and the taxpayers will be the ones footing the bill for police negligence.

And sadly, no amount will bring her back. This is one of those where you wonder what they were thinking.
 

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Portland - history,community dynamics and policing

Portland - history,community dynamics and policing

RS Reports: Progressive City, Brutal Police

A good history of blacks and racism in Portland. The Albina district is wheee blacks would settle in Portland.
Albina Community Plan: The History of Portland's African American Community

A review of Portland's Police Association and how real change has been stymed.
For Nearly 80 Years, the Portland Police Association Has Wielded Power in a Town That Doesn’t Like Cops. That Power Is Now Under Siege.
 
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Louisville officially paying $12 million wrongful death lawsuit settlement to Breonna Taylor's family.

The officers will still face no justice, and the taxpayers will be the ones footing the bill for police negligence.

A Kentucky Senator made an excellent proposal in her name --> https://www.paul.senate.gov/news/se...y, U.S.,announcing their authority or purpose.

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) introduced the Justice for Breonna Taylor Act to prohibit no-knock warrants, which allow law enforcement officials to forcibly enter a home without announcing their authority or purpose.

The bill is named in memory and honor of Breonna Taylor, a Louisville resident and EMT who was killed during a police raid on her home in March 2020, which was conducted under the authority of a no-knock warrant.

“After talking with Breonna Taylor’s family, I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s long past time to get rid of no-knock warrants. This bill will effectively end no-knock raids in the United States,” said Sen. Paul.
 

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They better put some language in there on waiting a specified time. Otherwise, they will ram the door right after they knock and announce their presence.

lol certainly they arent giong to knock and go home if no one answers the door
 

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That’s troubling. Any times there reasonable reason to believe there’s weapons in the house and the person has a history of violence, a no-knock should be used. That’s really the only reason where no-knocks should be justified. You’re going to see a lot more people hurt if cops are knocking on the door of a murderer or lunatic that has guns in the house announcing that they’re there at the front door.

Plus, a no-knock warrant was authorized for BT but didn’t they knock and announce? Kind of proves my point. I don’t know the qualifications of whoever made entry but a highly trained SWAT team should always be used. Setting a minimum monthly training hour requirement and tactics would make much more sense for a policy change. From what I understand, one of the cops fired blindly into BTs apartment. A tactically trained cop wouldn’t do that. That’s not how you enter a building or return fire, you’re accountable for each bullet you fire
 

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The costs of police misconduct

The costs of police misconduct

Collectively, U.S. cities pay out hundreds of millions to settle lawsuits occasioned by police misconduct.

As one example, New York City taxpayers spent a whopping $230 million to pay off 6,472 lawsuits settled against the NYPD in the last fiscal year. Settlements from lawsuits comes from the city, and that's taxpayer money. The Mayor's Office of Management and Budget allocates funds every fiscal year -- $733 million in 2020 and $697 million in 2019 -- for payouts. False arrests, civil rights violations, excessive force, police shootings and deaths in custody are a few of the reasons for settlements.

Chicago is paying out millions for police extracting false confessions. Illinois leads the nation in these at 84 documented cases so far with the state of NY second at 39 per the American Bar Association.
https://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/chicago_police_false_confessions/

Baltimore taxpayers are paying out $1.1 million to settle the first cases against their Gun Trace Task Force. Most of the lawsuits say the city failed to supervise members of the Gun Trace Task Force officers who were convicted of federal racketeering charges for robbing residents, falsifying probable cause and lying on official documents, and in some cases taking drugs. Some officers also acknowledged planting evidence.The convicted officers received sentences of seven to 25 years in federal prison.
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/c...0200812-y6cxtaro5bcljaeocoumdrmogy-story.html

Atlanta in 2012 paid $4.9 million to the family of a 92 year old woman killed in her home under an illegal no-knock warrent in 2006. She fired one shot at her and they returned fire 39 times. As a result of the incident, three officers were tried for manslaughter and other charges surrounding falsification and were sentenced to ten, six, and five years. Some police were injured as a result of friendly fire. The Narcotics Unit was totally reorganized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kathryn_Johnston

As in Atlanta, a similar incident occurred in 2016 also happened. Jamarion Robinson was killed by police who reportedly battle rammed the door open and immediately open fired on him. The medical report on Robinson's body listed 76 bullet wounds, 59 of which were identified as entry wounds and the other 17 as exit wounds. Officers said that Robinson fired at them three times and a gun was recovered believed to be his. The gun was damaged and inoperable. Law enforcement officers also carried submachine guns, but were not wearing body cameras. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jamarion_Robinson

The Atlanta City Council is urging the Georgia General Assembly to ban no-knock warrants.
 
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Things getting chippy in Louisville already. Wonder who the 9pm curfew holds up.
 

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lol I mean it hasn't in any other city

Louisville seems a bit more prepared though. Looked like everything was boarded up, they have the NG on the ready, already declared a SoE, already arresting people. The AG went on shortly after the decision came out, and was pretty emphatic about things.

If it gets ugly, might get real ugly.
 

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I thought Daniel Cameron was well spoken and handled it perfectly. He had a very difficult job to do, but appeared to handle it well.

Biggest surprise to me was that the no-knock thing didn’t happen.
 

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I thought Daniel Cameron was well spoken and handled it perfectly. He had a very difficult job to do, but appeared to handle it well.

Biggest surprise to me was that the no-knock thing didn’t happen.

Agreed. I thought he did a good job. CNN of course slammed him for using the word "mob".

At the end of the day, while tragic, I don't think this situation had anything to do with race or prejudice.
 

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I hope things play out peacefully in Louisville. From my limited knowledge of what happened, it was a case of just screwing up, not racism or malicious intentions. In the big picture though, this whole, "If we don't get what we want, we'll riot and burn and destroy everything" approach is the very definition of mob rule. This can't go on much longer and our nation survive. I'm all for justice and the system being fair to everyone, and there are things that need to change, but mob rule and the threat of rioting and violence over every single thing that doesn't go your way, regardless of truth or facts or the law, isn't going to bring about anything good. We're descending into chaos, mob rule, anarchy and what may soon become outright savagery and civil war like we've only seen in third world countries where society and the rule of law have completely broken down.
 

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Police officers shot a woman sleeping in her own home, then let her suffocate on her own blood in the hallway.

One of those police officers lost his job. But there are no criminal charges related to her death, just the irresponsible discharge of a firearm.

So police can *accidentally* kill someone, and are STILL protected from facing criminal charges related to said death.

THIS IS A PROBLEM.
 
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Police officers shot a woman sleeping in her own home, then let her suffocate on her own blood in the hallway.

One of those police officers lost his job. But there are no criminal charges related to her death, just the irresponsible discharge of a firearm.

So police can *accidentally* kill someone, and are STILL protected from facing criminal charges related to said death.

THIS IS A PROBLEM.

I suspect it was likely more complicated than that.
 

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Originally Posted by IrishLion View Post
Police officers shot a woman sleeping in her own home, then let her suffocate on her own blood in the hallway.

One of those police officers lost his job. But there are no criminal charges related to her death, just the irresponsible discharge of a firearm.

So police can *accidentally* kill someone, and are STILL protected from facing criminal charges related to said death.

THIS IS A PROBLEM.

I suspect it was likely more complicated than that.

I suspect Lion has distilled Taylor's murder down accurately. You may well be aware of all the details. But I'll risk fleshing it out if Dakota won't. Louisville Metro Breona Taylor's boyfriend, Kenneth Walker heard the knock on the door, carried a licensed firearm, and did not hear any announcement of who they were by police. Eleven other witnesses said the police did not announce themselves.

Police contend they announced themselves then when there was no answer, broke down the door. Walker shot once hitting a cop in the leg after which there was the hail of gunfire by law enforcement of over thirty rounds. Walker was arrested and charged with attempted murder of a police officer, which he contends was intimidation. Walker's defense was Kentucky's Stand Your Ground law, clearly justifiable, but also the Castle Doctriine in defense of invasion of your home. Walker's criminal charge was dismissed.

Body cameras were worn by some of the Louisville Metro documented by after-incident photos. When those were subpoenaed, the LMPD said they did not exist. They would have determined if the police announced themselves. Police also said they originally obtained a no-knock warrant but changed it to a knock and announce search warrant.

The primary targets of the Louisville Metro PD investigation were Jamarcus Glover and Adrian Walker, who were suspected of selling controlled substances from a drug house more than 10 miles away. The apartment was Breona Taylor's. Police obtained the warrant by saying an unknown package, presumed to be drugs, and that this package went to Walker's address soon afterward, and was a known "drug apartment". No drugs were recovered.

This warrant states that this event was verified "through a US Postal Inspector.". The U.S. postal inspector in Louisville publicly announced that the collaboration with law enforcement had never actually occurred. In effect, this was an illegal raid obtained under false pretenses on an innocent, law-abiding person who was killed and whose boyfriend was acting within his rights.

Louisville has settled a lawsuit with Taylor's family for $12 million plus "none negotiable" police reforms. Five million of that will come from the Metro budget. Walker also has a lawsuit for $10.5 million, which presumably will also be settled.

https://www.wtvq.com/2020/09/15/louisville-to-announce-taylor-lawsuit-settlement-newspaper/

The reforms on Louisville Metro include a requirement commanders approve all search warrants before they go to a judge, housing credits to officers who agree to live within low-income areas, and drug and alcohol testing of officers involved in any shooting.

In addition, officers will be required to volunteer two hours every two weeks in the community, social service workers to accompany officers on certain calls, detailed reporting by the chief in officers’ personnel files, stricter protocols for seized funds, ad developing an early-warning system to spot potential problems with officers.

An interim Police Chief, who is black and female, has been appointed. She will be the troubled department's third chief since the March killing of Breonna Taylor. Whether any due diligence by Louisville Metro was done other than an unknown package was delivered such as observations by Police of drug activity, verification by witnesses of drugs, neighbors discreetly interviewed have never been reported. These as well as testimony from the officers and the PD would come out in any civil or criminal proceeding, which Louisville seems intent on avoiding.

Yeah, THIS IS A PROBLEM.
 
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So it sounds like if anyone should be in trouble is the person who approved the warrant, the officers were doing their job.
 

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Agreed. I thought he did a good job. CNN of course slammed him for using the word "mob".

At the end of the day, while tragic, I don't think this situation had anything to do with race or prejudice.

When you hang out with drug dealers and are part of this life bad things happen. Go search for the phone records for the jail. I never want to see anyone die but unfortunately the drugs mean bass things in other ways then just the drugs.
 

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Police officers shot a woman sleeping in her own home, then let her suffocate on her own blood in the hallway.

One of those police officers lost his job. But there are no criminal charges related to her death, just the irresponsible discharge of a firearm.

So police can *accidentally* kill someone, and are STILL protected from facing criminal charges related to said death.

THIS IS A PROBLEM.

You still believe someone’s gets shot laying down 5 times and they weren’t stand over top of her? Interesting
 

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You still believe someone’s gets shot laying down 5 times and they weren’t stand over top of her? Interesting

She got shot in her own home and died. No one is being held responsible for that.

You don't see this as a problem?
 

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She got shot in her own home and died. No one is being held responsible for that.

You don't see this as a problem?

Facts man facts. The warrant had that apartment address on it. And you don't get shot 5 times laying down. Those cops were not standing over top of her and shot her. And better yet if you aren't involved in illegal behavior the police won't show up to your house.
 
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