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https://www.dailywire.com/news/top-...riots-in-portland-are-a-myth?utm_source=Jeeng

Holy cow! Democrat House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler denies there's rioting and violence in Portland and that it's just a myth being spread in DC. Nadler was approached by journalist Austen Fletcher and asked if he disavowed the violent riots.

“It is true. There’s violence across the whole country,” Fletcher said.

Fletcher asked, “Do you disavow the violence from Antifa that’s happening in Portland right now? There’s riots—”

“That’s a myth that’s being spread only in Washington, D.C.,” Nadler claimed without evidence.

“About Antifa in Portland?” Fletcher pressed.

“Yes—” Nadler once again claimed without evidence. An aide rushed in and ushered Congressman Adler away at that point as Fletcher suggested that Adler look online at all the videos from the Portland rioting. There's video of the exchange in the above link.

I don't even know where to start with this. A ranking congressman refuses to even acknowledge the violence and admit it's happening. Is he this clueless or is he being dishonest?

Geez! Sounds like Reagan's back in office...
 

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https://www.dailywire.com/news/top-...riots-in-portland-are-a-myth?utm_source=Jeeng

Holy cow! Democrat House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler denies there's rioting and violence in Portland and that it's just a myth being spread in DC. Nadler was approached by journalist Austen Fletcher and asked if he disavowed the violent riots.

“It is true. There’s violence across the whole country,” Fletcher said.

Fletcher asked, “Do you disavow the violence from Antifa that’s happening in Portland right now? There’s riots—”

“That’s a myth that’s being spread only in Washington, D.C.,” Nadler claimed without evidence.

“About Antifa in Portland?” Fletcher pressed.

“Yes—” Nadler once again claimed without evidence. An aide rushed in and ushered Congressman Nadler away at that point as Fletcher suggested that Adler look online at all the videos from the Portland rioting. There's video of the exchange in the above link.

I don't even know where to start with this. A ranking congressman refuses to even acknowledge the violence and admit it's happening. Is he this clueless or is he being dishonest?

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Can't contain the problems in their own backyard, clearly it's the fault of Washington all the way on the other side of the country. Blame it on the Fed, cause if the truth comes out you lose elections that way.
 

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Seriously, like Seattle hasn't been a mess this summer? Nobody is disputing that actions like dangerous chokeholds should be prohibited, but police should still be able to do their jobs. They can't do that without the proper tools. Banning non-lethal forms of crowd dispersal like pepper spray and other chemical deterrents effectively handcuffs police and prevents them from pacifying violent crowds. The hands off approach is what initially led Seattle to establishing the CHAZ to begin with, along with a loss of lives as the lawlessness was allowed to run rampant. George Floyd's name will be remembered forever, but the sad truth is nobody is glorifying the men that died inside CHAZ. They're forgotten casualties. It took a few deaths before the local government finally wised up and shut it down...but yeah, the media are the real criminals here because they're focusing on the non-lethal forms of crowd control that Seattle was trying to prohibit.
Perhaps you are aware that Seattle and their PD has been under a consent decree since 2012 due to excessive force and killings. The City Attorney was going to request an end to the consent decree just prior to George Floyd's murder and the subsequent protests. After over 14,000 complaints of misconduct against police actions there during their protests, he has had to withdraw from that request prior to CHAZ. The fed judge who was the independent monitor of the consent decree had found the Seatlele police department was in "full and effective" compliance. Whether they will ever be now able to justify ending the decree has been made much more difficult, possibly necessitating more oversight and accountability and continue to very costly.

Knowing that history with the temporary restraining order with the city wishing to minimize or prevent further misconducts, you may understand the Council's decision. The Seattle Police Chief issued a directive on July 23 to take effect on July 25 to cease the use and possession of chemical agents. That directive was taken to court by the US Gov. The judge issued a Temporary Restraining Order preventing that directive based on stipulations in the consent decree.

So, the Council and the Chief's instructions banning the use of those chemical agents never went into effect. Those agents were used by SPD this weekend. SPD had all the "proper tools" to limit crowd control or were "handcuffed" in dealing with violent crowds. However, the Chief did say they would not use CS (teargas) gas but would carry pepper spray and blast balls.

The reason that the federal government successfully showed the ban could “create a risk that SPD officers will resort to excessive force,” potentially violating the terms of the consent decree. The judge's order will last 14 days.

The Chief's statement includes "SPD stands ready to continue its work with the DOJ, the Monitor, OPA, the OIG, the CPC, and members of the community at large to take the next steps towards re-envisioning how policing is done in Seattle."

A lot of moving parts here with all of the Seattle entities from the community, the city, the PD resenting the simplistic portrayals by those ignorant or choosing to disregard them.
 
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It's okay. It's just a few law enforcement officials that got hurt. After all, aren't rules made to be broken?

From the Daily Wire.

“The violent situation Portland has witnessed for the past eight weeks continues with violent anarchists rioting on the streets as federal law enforcement officers work diligently and honorably to enforce federal law, defend federal property, and protect the lives of their fellow officers,” DHS said in a statement on Sunday. “As federal officers left the courthouse to respond to attacks on the fence, just like on previous nights they were met by rioters with hard projectiles, mortar style fireworks and lasers that can cause permanent blindness. Over the previous 24 hours, such assaults have resulted in at least 14 federal officers injured.”

Acting Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Chad Wolf added on Twitter yesterday, “Day 56. Last night six DHS law enforcement officers were injured in Portland. To be clear, criminals assaulted FEDERAL officers on FEDERAL property…and the city of Portland did nothing.”
 

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I don't know how to embed tweets, so if someone can embed this video, please do.

This guy gets it.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This Guy won Twitter.<br>Permanently. <br>Forever... <a href="https://t.co/PaBVzZmckX">pic.twitter.com/PaBVzZmckX</a></p>— BIGDAVE (@BIGDAVE21420668) <a href="https://twitter.com/BIGDAVE21420668/status/1287061681672278018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tonight Portland Police were near Lownsdale Square Park. A person pointed out a bag to them. Inside the bag Police found loaded rifle magazines and Molotov cocktails <a href="https://t.co/ytpu9pZjqG">pic.twitter.com/ytpu9pZjqG</a></p>— Portland Police (@PortlandPolice) <a href="https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/1287611730005069824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tonight Portland Police were near Lownsdale Square Park. A person pointed out a bag to them. Inside the bag Police found loaded rifle magazines and Molotov cocktails <a href="https://t.co/ytpu9pZjqG">pic.twitter.com/ytpu9pZjqG</a></p>— Portland Police (@PortlandPolice) <a href="https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/1287611730005069824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

the mags are coated in the same paint that was thrown at police though?
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A man in Portland has been going around putting Trump stickers on rioters cars so they’ll destroy them &#55357;&#56834;</p>— Mike Yoder (@Yoder_Esqq) <a href="https://twitter.com/Yoder_Esqq/status/1287438145424887819?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This Guy won Twitter.<br>Permanently. <br>Forever... <a href="https://t.co/PaBVzZmckX">pic.twitter.com/PaBVzZmckX</a></p>— BIGDAVE (@BIGDAVE21420668) <a href="https://twitter.com/BIGDAVE21420668/status/1287061681672278018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Beautiful.
 

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Certainly a different take...
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A man in Portland has been going around putting Trump stickers on rioters cars so they’ll destroy them ��</p>— Mike Yoder (@Yoder_Esqq) <a href="https://twitter.com/Yoder_Esqq/status/1287438145424887819?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol
 

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Certainly a different take...

Far from it. This has been middle America's view of the issue for decades. Most of us don't care about your skin color. Act like a decent civilized human being, be a good neighbor, don't commit crimes, don't act like an asshat when interacting with the cops, and about 99% of the problems go away.
 

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Far from it. This has been middle America's view of the issue for decades. Most of us don't care about your skin color. Act like a decent civilized human being, be a good neighbor, don't commit crimes, don't act like an asshat when interacting with the cops, and about 99% of the problems go away.

A lot of AA people would certainly disagree with his take in the tweet. Doesn't mean he doesn't believe it, but it's different than the average AA person's take.

As we're both white guys, it's easy for us to say we "don't see colour" but there are implicit biases built into the "system".

Anyways - I don't want to be another avocado toast lulu lemon millennial speaking about how black people feel. Just wanted to say his opinion is in the minority.
 

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With the Notre Dame Black Alumni Appeal
experiences of some are detailed.

This is the experience of a Black student at the University of Notre Dame:

“During a freshman Moreau class, a white student told me, in front of our peers, I was only accepted into Notre Dame because I am Black. The Moreau leader proceeded to cut me off when I tried to explain why that thinking is racist.”

"On move in day of my freshman year, my white roommate's father had a very unsettling look on his face when he first saw me. When I was organizing the room, he avoided talking to me and coming anywhere near me. A few minutes later I heard him say to my roommate, 'I don't want your beds anywhere close to each other.'"

“When I was a freshman, I accidentally missed a section meeting. The moment my RA saw me, she raced down the hall and yelled in my face. She then reported me to my rector. Later that week, I heard my white counterparts had not only missed that same meeting, but other ones in the past. They received no reprimanding. ”

"During my junior year, a professor invited Charles Murray, the author of the Bell Curve which asserts Black and Latino genetics are intellectually inferior, to speak on campus for “scholarly discussion.” On the day of his campus lecture, there were police surrounding McKenna Hall to blockade student entrance in the building. I had to yell at an officer to take his hands off a Black peaceful protestor. Then, I was denied access into a building where I had class, although my white classmates were permitted to enter. I was late to class after arguing with ushers to let me in, showing my student ID, pulling up my student schedule, and then emailing my professor who had to come downstairs and demand I be let in."
(cont)

Murray and The Bell Curve have been discussed on this board before.
 
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A lot of AA people would certainly disagree with his take in the tweet. Doesn't mean he doesn't believe it, but it's different than the average AA person's take.

As we're both white guys, it's easy for us to say we "don't see colour" but there are implicit biases built into the "system".

Anyways - I don't want to be another avocado toast lulu lemon millennial speaking about how black people feel. Just wanted to say his opinion is in the minority.

His opinion may be in the minority among some segments of the black population, but certainly not all. I assume you remember Chris Rock's late 90's bit about the subject, which was very well received among middle and upper class Blacks. Lower class Blacks who don't like what the guy in this video says... well, I'd ask them, "How's YOUR way working out for you?"

Middle America HATES criminal behavior and violent, trashy, antisocial people, regardless of whether they're black, white, brown, yellow or red. Act that way and you'll find LE and decent society looking down on you, discriminating against you, and singling you out for extra police attention, not to mention that there will always be more cops in your neighborhood if it's a hotbed of criminal behavior. Race has virtually nothing to do with it. If you're white or brown or pink or purple and you act like that, you're going to have problems. Blaming all of it on racism is self-serving BS.

It's not about being black or any other color. It's about behavior, being accountable for your actions, and understanding that how you act determines how others see you and treat you, regardless of race.
 

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A lot of AA people would certainly disagree with his take in the tweet. Doesn't mean he doesn't believe it, but it's different than the average AA person's take.

As we're both white guys, it's easy for us to say we "don't see colour" but there are implicit biases built into the "system".

Anyways - I don't want to be another avocado toast lulu lemon millennial speaking about how black people feel. Just wanted to say his opinion is in the minority.

I don't think there is any way to prove or disprove that. Personally, I don't think anyone should be speaking for anyone. The problem we have is that everyone wants people to 1) hear their voice and 2) agree/sympathize with them.

As to #1, honestly, most people don't have the time or inclination to give a bother of who tweets what, who IG's the latest, etc. People need to get over themselves. As for #2, I think many people understand that there are structural changes than need to occur. While police reform is certainly one of them, it's not the only. But instead of clamoring for reform, it's mantra of "de-fund" "burn it down" etc is where the movement alienates the middle ground. Yes, I know de-fund doesn't be eliminate (though many saying that certainly strive for it). But it's terrible marketing and distracts overall, just like the property damage. The longer this goes on, the more it polarizes and has the exact opposite impact that is desired.
 

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Perhaps you are aware that Seattle and their PD has been under a consent decree since 2012 due to excessive force and killings. The City Attorney was going to request an end to the consent decree just prior to George Floyd's murder and the subsequent protests. After over 14,000 complaints of misconduct against police actions there during their protests, he has had to withdraw from that request prior to CHAZ. The fed judge who was the independent monitor of the consent decree had found the Seatlele police department was in "full and effective" compliance. Whether they will ever be now able to justify ending the decree has been made much more difficult, possibly necessitating more oversight and accountability and continue to very costly.

Knowing that history with the temporary restraining order with the city wishing to minimize or prevent further misconducts, you may understand the Council's decision. The Seattle Police Chief issued a directive on July 23 to take effect on July 25 to cease the use and possession of chemical agents. That directive was taken to court by the US Gov. The judge issued a Temporary Restraining Order preventing that directive based on stipulations in the consent decree.

So, the Council and the Chief's instructions banning the use of those chemical agents never went into effect. Those agents were used by SPD this weekend. SPD had all the "proper tools" to limit crowd control or were "handcuffed" in dealing with violent crowds. However, the Chief did say they would not use CS (teargas) gas but would carry pepper spray and blast balls.

The reason that the federal government successfully showed the ban could “create a risk that SPD officers will resort to excessive force,” potentially violating the terms of the consent decree. The judge's order will last 14 days.

The Chief's statement includes "SPD stands ready to continue its work with the DOJ, the Monitor, OPA, the OIG, the CPC, and members of the community at large to take the next steps towards re-envisioning how policing is done in Seattle."

A lot of moving parts here with all of the Seattle entities from the community, the city, the PD resenting the simplistic portrayals by those ignorant or choosing to disregard them.

First off, complaints aren't evidence of wrongdoing. The NYPD has had something around 2000+ complaints in just biased arrests in the last 5 years, but almost all of them have been thrown out because the complaints can't be corroborated or the complainant was found guilty of the crime they were apprehended for. FDNYIrish mentioned it about a month ago, the system doesn't work:

FDNYIrish1 said:
I think some here really don’t have an idea what actually goes into inner city policing and the politics surrounding it. Distorted statistics, under reporting of crimes, pleading more serious offenses to misdemeanors etc. I’ve had a front row seat to this for 20 years. Many of the cops with multiple complaints against them aren’t racist. They are the aggressive ones that go after the quality of life crimes that inevitably lead to more serious and violent crimes. Criminals do not like being arrested oddly enough. So here they used to have the CCRB as oversight. Everyone that got arrested would file complaints against the arresting officer. It’s a game played over and over. Are there instances of brutality? Of course. Defunding isn’t the answer.

That said, Police Chief Carmen Best's hands were tied. She may have issued the statement that the department wouldn't use pepper spray or blast balls (Prior to the fed stepping in and blocking Seattle's City Council), but for obvious reasons she didn't agree with it according to the letter she sent out on the 23rd. She also has stated in the past she doesn't agree with the Council's plans on cutting funding to the department by 50%. Hamstringing the police is not going to increase the safety and security of the area, we've already seen how the protesters have no regard for personal property or safety after they made the CHAZ their own.

My whole point with this was you were saying "Looks like the sky is falling in Seattle." The truth is Seattle is a mess at the moment, the courts stepping in to block the restrictions doesn't change that. It's a good thing they did step in to block the Council's actions because as it is there will continue to be violence and property damage regardless, just on a lower level. I've got a buddy that lives an hour from the city and he says it's a shit show you don't want to be a part of. Sure, Twitter and the media can push whatever narratives they want, but the fact remains the city is not at peace right now and trying to restrict the SPD is not going to alleviate that.
 

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I don't think there is any way to prove or disprove that. Personally, I don't think anyone should be speaking for anyone. The problem we have is that everyone wants people to 1) hear their voice and 2) agree/sympathize with them.

As to #1, honestly, most people don't have the time or inclination to give a bother of who tweets what, who IG's the latest, etc. People need to get over themselves. As for #2, I think many people understand that there are structural changes than need to occur. While police reform is certainly one of them, it's not the only. But instead of clamoring for reform, it's mantra of "de-fund" "burn it down" etc is where the movement alienates the middle ground. Yes, I know de-fund doesn't be eliminate (though many saying that certainly strive for it). But it's terrible marketing and distracts overall, just like the property damage. The longer this goes on, the more it polarizes and has the exact opposite impact that is desired.

These are pretty closely aligned with my thoughts (must be cuz we're accountants lol). Just acknowledging that there are structural changes that are needed, is crucial.

FTR - I dont condone violence or destruction of property.
 

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Also, as it appears, a different social status. Easy to talk shit when you're living the dream.

First, I'm not sure how you came up with that conclusion, but let's say you're correct. Your post suggests two things. All blacks are poor and those like him were handed their dream. Did it ever occur to you that maybe he grew up in a middle class home or has the fortitude to make a better life for him and his family?
 

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First, I'm not sure how you came up with that conclusion, but let's say you're correct. Your post suggests two things. All blacks are poor and those like him were handed their dream. Did it ever occur to you that maybe he grew up in a middle class home or has the fortitude to make a better life for him and his family?

Bingo. The soft bigotry of low expectations.
 

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LOL

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Marxists couldn’t even keep a fucking BBQ tent solvent, but sure, give them an entire US city. <a href="https://t.co/nQl7s1pXAu">https://t.co/nQl7s1pXAu</a></p>— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) <a href="https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1287993944588947458?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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First off, complaints aren't evidence of wrongdoing. The NYPD has had something around 2000+ complaints in just biased arrests in the last 5 years, but almost all of them have been thrown out because the complaints can't be corroborated or the complainant was found guilty of the crime they were apprehended for. FDNYIrish mentioned it about a month ago, the system doesn't work:



That said, Police Chief Carmen Best's hands were tied. She may have issued the statement that the department wouldn't use pepper spray or blast balls (Prior to the fed stepping in and blocking Seattle's City Council), but for obvious reasons she didn't agree with it according to the letter she sent out on the 23rd. She also has stated in the past she doesn't agree with the Council's plans on cutting funding to the department by 50%. Hamstringing the police is not going to increase the safety and security of the area, we've already seen how the protesters have no regard for personal property or safety after they made the CHAZ their own.

My whole point with this was you were saying "Looks like the sky is falling in Seattle." The truth is Seattle is a mess at the moment, the courts stepping in to block the restrictions doesn't change that. It's a good thing they did step in to block the Council's actions because as it is there will continue to be violence and property damage regardless, just on a lower level. I've got a buddy that lives an hour from the city and he says it's a shit show you don't want to be a part of. Sure, Twitter and the media can push whatever narratives they want, but the fact remains the city is not at peace right now and trying to restrict the SPD is not going to alleviate that.

I think the judge's decision gives the City some protection in terms of their Consent Decree. The Council's vote and Best's voluntary restrictions work towards that, too. The SPD still has a bit of room in case Best wants to utilize chemical agents. I am always impressed by the number of AA Police Chiefs, how they know their city and their criminal elements and are articulate. If you want to throw gasoline on a fire, send in federal troops. You'll unite a community and see non-violent participants become part of the crowd.

As bad as the optics are and the loss of business some suffer in the Capital Hill area, the elements in Seattle and Portland have been there for a while. People protest peacefully including community leaders as well as BLM. Groups like antifa exist in the community but many come from out of town or out of state. They are highly organized, sophisticated and make use of communications as most extremist groups nowadays do. They may even bring materials for attacks from outside the city and are also predominately white. Anarchists. Then there's the occupying group which is also predominately white. Like other such groups - Occupy Wall Street, etc - wait them out - unless there is loss of life, which, when it happened, SPD moved in. Buildings and damage can be repaired.

As progressive as the city's image has become, the Northwest also has a significant racist history with alt-right group presence. Feds could provide additional assistance and would be welcomed for that. The Central District used to be AA, but are being driven out by inflation and gentrification and costs-of-living. Poverty level has fallen while Seattle’s median income is $93,481, a gain of 7.7 percent. High income families have also spiked with a rise of 20.9 percent of households making more than $200,000. Other areas where there are more people living below the FPL are the University district and the International district. They really are not feeding into any protests. Maybe some of the young, disaffected homeless.

One can understand how someone in Indiana or Kansas or non-urban Texas may look at flames and property destruction and decide Seattle and Portland are in "chaos" and "rioting". I imagine they reacted the same after Rodney King when whole cities or entire neighborhoods were aflame. Best's voluntary restrictions serve the purpose of not further inflaming the situation, help with re-establish community policing outreach and move towards progress towards lifting the consent decree.

George Floyd's and others' murders just touched an old nerve for the peaceful protestors. I have no doubt that there are racist cops in Seattle, but that is Best's and the Council's problem and gets back to how you get rid of those. I have a sibling in Seattle and another in Bellevue but would defer to any other insight from our Seattle posters. I agree that with COVID hitting them hard, layoffs despite Amazon, etc increasing hiring, and now this mess, it can well be considered a "mess" for the City fathers. I'll bet police moral is down and the economic damage will be significant. Another wave of COVID perhaps due to some rioting will slam HC and the city. The mayor has slammed the defunding police call.

As far as poverty level, the FPL for one person is just below the annual income if you work forty hours a week fifty two weeks of the year at $7.50 an hour. RDU points outs that 20% of blacks are below that.
 
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This should be on every news station across the country at 7pm. This man speaks truth!
 

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Certainly a different take...

I don’t really know tho,... while my world is very diverse, the small majority of my friends and family are black. I’d say this take is the most common amongst them. Now that’s not saying they represent this huge nation wide demo or the whole or anything, but I do think these type of feelings are a bit more common than anyone is led to believe.
 
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I think the judge's decision gives the City some protection in terms of their Consent Decree. The Council's vote and Best's voluntary restrictions work towards that, too. The SPD still has a bit of room in case Best wants to utilize chemical agents. I am always impressed by the number of AA Police Chiefs, how they know their city and their criminal elements and are articulate. If you want to throw gasoline on a fire, send in federal troops. You'll unite a community and see non-violent participants become part of the crowd.

As bad as the optics are and the loss of business some suffer in the Capital Hill area, the elements in Seattle and Portland have been there for a while. People protest peacefully including community leaders as well as BLM. Groups like antifa exist in the community but many come from out of town or out of state. They are highly organized, sophisticated and make use of communications as most extremist groups nowadays do. They may even bring materials for attacks from outside the city and are also predominately white. Anarchists. Then there's the occupying group which is also predominately white. Like other such groups - Occupy Wall Street, etc - wait them out - unless there is loss of life, which, when it happened, SPD moved in. Buildings and damage can be repaired.

As progressive as the city's image has become, the Northwest also has a significant racist history with alt-right group presence. Feds could provide additional assistance and would be welcomed for that. The Central District used to be AA, but are being driven out by inflation and gentrification and costs-of-living. Poverty level has fallen while Seattle’s median income is $93,481, a gain of 7.7 percent. High income families have also spiked with a rise of 20.9 percent of households making more than $200,000. Other areas where there are more people living below the FPL are the University district and the International district. They really are not feeding into any protests. Maybe some of the young, disaffected homeless.

One can understand how someone in Indiana or Kansas or non-urban Texas may look at flames and property destruction and decide Seattle and Portland are in "chaos" and "rioting". I imagine they reacted the same after Rodney King when whole cities or entire neighborhoods were aflame. Best's voluntary restrictions serve the purpose of not further inflaming the situation, help with re-establish community policing outreach and move towards progress towards lifting the consent decree.

George Floyd's and others' murders just touched an old nerve for the peaceful protestors. I have no doubt that there are racist cops in Seattle, but that is Best's and the Council's problem and gets back to how you get rid of those. I have a sibling in Seattle and another in Bellevue but would defer to any other insight from our Seattle posters. I agree that with COVID hitting them hard, layoffs despite Amazon, etc increasing hiring, and now this mess, it can well be considered a "mess" for the City fathers. I'll bet police moral is down and the economic damage will be significant. The mayor has slammed the defunding police call.

To the first bolded, that sounds a little racist. Why are you impressed? I'm not. The CoP should be articulate, logical, able to understand the consequences of actions and lead their force.

Being a black CoP doesn't win you any brownie points with the AA community. The current CoP in Indy is black. Check out the abuse he took when he went to meet with a group of protestors protesting the death of Dreasjon Reed. Reed (police record) is the one who was being pulled over but refused and started a high speed chase he streamed live on FB saying he will not go back to prison. Got out and ran, firing shots at police before they killed him. When the Chief got there, protesters started calling him names and threw water bottles at him.

As far as the second, that's revitalization. Happens in every city. Downtown is in disrepair, nothing to do and turns into a ghost town after 5PM and on weekends. If cities don't start pumping money back into the area, the heart of the city starts a slow death. Indy is larger than both Seattle and Portland so I'm not sure what level of chaos I should view those cities given your statement.
 

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A lot of AA people would certainly disagree with his take in the tweet. Doesn't mean he doesn't believe it, but it's different than the average AA person's take.

As we're both white guys, it's easy for us to say we "don't see colour" but there are implicit biases built into the "system".

Anyways - I don't want to be another avocado toast lulu lemon millennial speaking about how black people feel. Just wanted to say his opinion is in the minority.

Serious question, how do you know that? Because of all the young white Americans protesting, reading excepts from the NY Times and watching Don Lemon on CNN.
 
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