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What I did not see in the USA Today article is that in addition to local and state leaders vehemently objecting to this, the U.S. Attorney General for the Oregon District has opened an investigation into the unmarked, camouflaged federal officers who have been picking up and detaining protestors in Portland.

U.S. Attorney Billy J. Williams said in a statement Friday.:
"Based on news accounts circulating that allege federal law enforcement detained two protestors without probable cause, I have requested the Department of Homeland Security Office of the Inspector General to open a separate investigation directed specifically at the actions of DHS personnel,"

The State Attorney General announced he is suing federal agencies and has opened a criminal investigation into their use of force.

Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum announced late Friday that her office would sue several federal law enforcement agencies over their response to Portland protests and launch a criminal investigation into an incident of force by federal officers.

Rosenblum is seeking a temporary restraining order to stop federal officers from detaining Portlanders, arguing federal agencies seized and detained Oregonians without probable cause. She said the state’s lawsuit in federal court will name the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Marshals Service, U.S. Customs and Border Protection and the Federal Protection Service as defendants. (cont)
 
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What I did not see in the USA Today article is that in addition to local and state leaders vehemently objecting to this, the U.S. Attorney General for the Oregon District has opened an investigation into the unmarked, camouflaged federal officers who have been picking up and detaining protestors in Portland.

U.S. Attorney Billy J. Williams said in a statement Friday.:


The State Attorney General announced he is suing federal agencies and has opened a criminal investigation into their use of force.

lol, yeah you do that Billy.
 

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Portland is a shit show, used to be an amazing city but the antifa crowd is destroying that
 

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'in a statement on Friday, U.S. Customs and Border Protection said that its agents had taken the action in the video and that they “had information indicating the person in the video was suspected of assaults against federal agents or destruction of federal property.”


When the agents approached him, CBP said, “a large and violent mob moved towards their location. For everyone’s safety, CBP agents quickly moved the suspect to a safer location for further questioning.”


The agency also disputed suggestions that they were operating only as unidentified federal agents.

“The CBP agents identified themselves and were wearing CBP insignia during the encounter,” CBP said in its statement. “The names of the agents were not displayed due to recent doxing incidents against law enforcement personnel who serve and protect our country'


Please stop your pearl clutching. And the local leaders are the ones who allowed it to get to this point for two months now. Time for the adults.

Well its a good thing the feds said that what the feds did was justified. It's a shame the officials who were elected by the people who, y'know, actually live in the area disagree. It's also too bad I couldn't make out any identification on them or the van.

Also, the federal government is now "the adults"? Ok buddy. I'll take pearl clutching over potential degradation of civil liberties (even against people I don't agree with politically) over licking boots.
 

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Portland is a shit show, used to be an amazing city but the antifa crowd is destroying that

IDK about the city itself so much but I used to like the Portland Timbers and would follow them on SM,... I had to stop. Over the last year and a half or so they would rarely post anything purely soccer, almost everything had political themes. This year they started this unofficial SJWish series designed to, educate I guess, people about how everything America sucks. It was pure demoralized Marxism 101,... from a freaking major sports team.
 
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Well its a good thing the feds said that what the feds did was justified. It's a shame the officials who were elected by the people who, y'know, actually live in the area disagree. It's also too bad I couldn't make out any identification on them or the van.

Also, the federal government is now "the adults"? Ok buddy. I'll take pearl clutching over potential degradation of civil liberties (even against people I don't agree with politically) over licking boots.

It would be refreshing if you showed half as much concern for the federal agents who were assaulted and had their rights violated. Or how about the average citizens who were beaten by protestors? The people doing this get arrested and your biggest concern is their rights, not those of their victims.
 

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It would be refreshing if you showed half as much concern for the federal agents who were assaulted and had their rights violated. Or how about the average citizens who were beaten by protestors? The people doing this get arrested and your biggest concern is their rights, not those of their victims.

As if I indicated, at all, that rioters who assault people or damage property shouldn't get arrested.

I love that "federal government agencies are really overstepping their bounds by curtailing the local government and increasingly appear to be violating the bill of rights and that's bullshit" is immediately met by a "conservative" poster with "But what of the federal officers? Perhaps the people being detained without explanation are criminals?"

You're a real small government, individual liberties kinda-guy. I can tell.
 

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Well its a good thing the feds said that what the feds did was justified. It's a shame the officials who were elected by the people who, y'know, actually live in the area disagree. It's also too bad I couldn't make out any identification on them or the van.

Also, the federal government is now "the adults"? Ok buddy. I'll take pearl clutching over potential degradation of civil liberties (even against people I don't agree with politically) over licking boots.

Yes, unfortunately. The local leaders who were elected have allowed it to become such a shit show that federal officers(the adults) had to come in and start restoring order because we have had a mogadishu in Portland for over 2 months now. Evidently, that's how the leaders want it now.

Unmarked vans? Unmarked police cars and an entity called the FBI in faceless suits in black sedans pick up people on the street every day.
 
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Yes, unfortunately. The local leaders who were elected have allowed it to become such a shit show that federal officers(the adults) had to come in and start restoring order because we have had a mogadishu in Portland for over 2 months now. Evidently, that's how the leaders want it now.

Unmarked vans? Unmarked police cars and an entity called the FBI pick up people on the street every day.

https://katu.com/news/local/portland-residents-weigh-in-on-weeks-of-protests

Sounds like the local populace is pretty mixed in opinion on the protests. Good thing the federal government has the power to come in, overstep the police chief, overstep the mayor, and overstep the governor to enforce the level of law and order that you, posting in Nashville TN, deem reasonable under the circumstances.
 

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https://katu.com/news/local/portland-residents-weigh-in-on-weeks-of-protests

Sounds like the local populace is pretty mixed in opinion on the protests. Good thing the federal government has the power to come in, overstep the police chief, overstep the mayor, and overstep the governor to enforce the level of law and order that you, posting in Nashville TN, deem reasonable under the circumstances.

Amazing how quickly the whole States Rights thing goes out the window.

Here’s an interesting article from the Intercept that’s somewhat related.

https://apple.news/AkPqrHIJMSO6PE5QZTLc6zA

“But while the White House beat the drum for a crackdown on a leaderless movement on the left, law enforcement offices across the country were sharing detailed reports of far-right extremists seeking to attack the protesters and police during the country’s historic demonstrations,*a trove of newly leaked documents reveals“
 

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Well its a good thing the feds said that what the feds did was justified. It's a shame the officials who were elected by the people who, y'know, actually live in the area disagree. It's also too bad I couldn't make out any identification on them or the van.

Also, the federal government is now "the adults"? Ok buddy. I'll take pearl clutching over potential degradation of civil liberties (even against people I don't agree with politically) over licking boots.
I agree and the Boot Lickers have been around forever. Law and order is an important part of society. Protect and Serve has been lost through all of the boot licking and radical opinions of how to handle a society that knows they are being lied to.

I had a Police officer tell me recently that the reason we have to socially distance is because we don't listen to orders. No Joke!
 

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https://katu.com/news/local/portland-residents-weigh-in-on-weeks-of-protests

Sounds like the local populace is pretty mixed in opinion on the protests. Good thing the federal government has the power to come in, overstep the police chief, overstep the mayor, and overstep the governor to enforce the level of law and order that you, posting in Nashville TN, deem reasonable under the circumstances.

Good article.I have family in the area. Residents and businesses, even in the downtown area near the waterfront are more in agreement than mixed, All are in support of the protesters marching and change. But they do not want the crowd in the evening who are the lawless element. Anti-fa has long had a presence and looks to start something. Residents are also sick of them. The police there have known that and have ways that will not inflame the situation.

If someone wants "law and order", they should first be on the side of Constitutional rights to free speech in protesting and the Fourth Amendment that Americans live free of “unreasonable searches and seizures” even if one disagrees with the politics. This is also a violation of the principle of federalism.

Those are some of most important principles that define America and the foundation for a government that freed itself from a king.
 
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It would be refreshing if you showed half as much concern for the federal agents who were assaulted and had their rights violated. Or how about the average citizens who were beaten by protestors? The people doing this get arrested and your biggest concern is their rights, not those of their victims.

As if I indicated, at all, that rioters who assault people or damage property shouldn't get arrested.

I love that "federal government agencies are really overstepping their bounds by curtailing the local government and increasingly appear to be violating the bill of rights and that's bullshit" is immediately met by a "conservative" poster with "But what of the federal officers? Perhaps the people being detained without explanation are criminals?"

You're a real small government, individual liberties kinda-guy. I can tell.

Yes, unfortunately. The local leaders who were elected have allowed it to become such a shit show that federal officers(the adults) had to come in and start restoring order because we have had a mogadishu in Portland for over 2 months now. Evidently, that's how the leaders want it now.

Unmarked vans? Unmarked police cars and an entity called the FBI in faceless suits in black sedans pick up people on the street every day.

https://katu.com/news/local/portland-residents-weigh-in-on-weeks-of-protests

Sounds like the local populace is pretty mixed in opinion on the protests. Good thing the federal government has the power to come in, overstep the police chief, overstep the mayor, and overstep the governor to enforce the level of law and order that you, posting in Nashville TN, deem reasonable under the circumstances.

Amazing how quickly the whole States Rights thing goes out the window.

Here’s an interesting article from the Intercept that’s somewhat related.

https://apple.news/AkPqrHIJMSO6PE5QZTLc6zA

“But while the White House beat the drum for a crackdown on a leaderless movement on the left, law enforcement offices across the country were sharing detailed reports of far-right extremists seeking to attack the protesters and police during the country’s historic demonstrations,*a trove of newly leaked documents reveals“

The Feds don't need to be there unless there is a valid Homeland Security reason. Leave Portland alone. Let them do their thing and when they find out it's not working, don't send any federal funding money to fix and repair things they tore up. They can use local or state funds. Except for interstate repairs so people can get through there asap.
 
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Good article.I have family in the area. .

My youngest son traveled to Portland and the Oregon area quite a few times. Loved the area so much he moved out there. In less than six months, he moved back to Indy. He couldn't understand how wacky a city it was. Seemed to him everyone was looking for a hand-out and wanted someone else to fix things.
 

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The Feds don't need to be there unless there is a valid Homeland Security reason. Leave Portland alone. Let them do their thing and when they find out it's not working, don't send and federal funding money to fix and repair things they tore up. They can use local or state funds. Except for interstate repairs so people can get through there asap.

Ding ding ding.
 

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The Feds don't need to be there unless there is a valid Homeland Security reason. Leave Portland alone. Let them do their thing and when they find out it's not working, don't send any federal funding money to fix and repair things they tore up. They can use local or state funds. Except for interstate repairs so people can get through there asap.

Isn't their reason that the rioters are attempting to burn down a federal courthouse?

I agree with your overall sentiment, but assuming Trump loses, is there any chance in hell that Biden doesn't give all of these cities federal aid?
 

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I've watched a ton of these videos of the mayhem in Portland and the destruction of federal property, arson, attacks, and the completely disgusting display by people who aren't looking to protest, they're looking for destruction.

Personally, I support the feds trying to restore security in our cities. How long can we allow the chaos? People are getting killed and livelihoods destroyed in the name of anarchy.

Look at Chicago- https://abc7chicago.com/fraternal-order-of-police-fop-president-trump-chicago/6323952/

These people need the help! This isn't a peaceful or historic demonstration, it's a supported riot to create chaos and destruction. I'm supporting police using the tactics they need to in order to squash this Antifa rebellion.

These mayors are awful. Someone has to fix it and I sure as hell don't want the federal dollars going to bailout incompetent mayors and Governors who think it's nice to support autonomous zones, looting, and mass chaos.
 

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Isn't their reason that the rioters are attempting to burn down a federal courthouse?

I agree with your overall sentiment, but assuming Trump loses, is there any chance in hell that Biden doesn't give all of these cities federal aid?

That was my understanding. Once the people try lighting a Federal courthouse on fire, they are sort of asking the Feds to get involved.
 

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Isn't their reason that the rioters are attempting to burn down a federal courthouse?

I agree with your overall sentiment, but assuming Trump loses, is there any chance in hell that Biden doesn't give all of these cities federal aid?


Now this could be considered a conspiracy....

"An agent provocateur (French for "inciting agent") is a person who commits or who acts to entice another person to commit an illegal or rash act or falsely implicate them in partaking in an illegal act, so as to ruin the reputation or entice legal action against the target or a group they belong to. They may target any group, such as a peaceful protest or demonstration, a union, a political party or a company."

"A political organization or government may use agents provocateurs against political opponents. The provocateurs try to incite the opponent to do counter-productive or ineffective acts to foster public disdain or provide a pretext for aggression against the opponent." 'Wiki'

This Is used more than anyone wants to admit.
 

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When you look at local reporting in Portland and compare it to something like Fox News, which has its agenda of provocation, I come to the same conclusion.

The Oregonian journalists and photographers have done an excellent job in covering the situation.

Feds, right-wing media paint Portland as ‘city under siege.’ A tour of town shows otherwise
Updated Jul 20, 9:54 AM; Posted Jul 18, 12:30 PM

As Cory Alexander and her daughter Nevaeh Belka stroll through downtown Portland, a mural catches the 9-year-old’s eye.

The wall of black plywood surrounding the Pioneer Place Apple Store is a memorial to Black Americans killed by police.

George Floyd. Breonna Taylor. Jason Washington.

Nevaeh trots up the steps, faces her mother and raises a fist. Alexander, 46 and white, taps on her phone and takes a photo of her Black daughter.

But national media reports, particularly those published by right-wing outlets, suggest a vastly different version of how safe it is for children and families to stroll through downtown Portland.

One America News Network describes “violence gripping the city.” A Fox News headline blares “Portland protesters flood police precinct, chant about burning it down.” The New York Post reported Saturday that Portland “descended into violence.”

Many people who live in Portland, including Alexander, heard over the past few days from worried relatives in other states who feared that their loved ones in Portland might have been affected by fires or caught in police crossfire as they went about their day.

The images that populate national media feeds, however, come almost exclusively from a tiny point of the city: a 12-block area surrounding the Justice Center and federal courthouse.

But national media reports, particularly those published by right-wing outlets, suggest a vastly different version of how safe it is for children and families to stroll through downtown Portland.

One America News Network describes “violence gripping the city.” A Fox News headline blares “Portland protesters flood police precinct, chant about burning it down.” The New York Post reported Saturday that Portland “descended into violence.”

Many people who live in Portland, including Alexander, heard over the past few days from worried relatives in other states who feared that their loved ones in Portland might have been affected by fires or caught in police crossfire as they went about their day.

The images that populate national media feeds, however, come almost exclusively from a tiny point of the city: a 12-block area surrounding the Justice Center and federal courthouse.

And they occur exclusively during late-night hours in which only a couple hundred or fewer protesters and scores of police officers are out in the city’s coronavirus-hollowed downtown.

Those events are hardly representative of daily life, including peaceful anti-racism demonstrations that have drawn tens of thousands of protesters, in a city of 650,000 people that encompasses 145 square miles.

The vast majority of Portland residents spend quiet home-bound lives on hushed tree-lined streets with coronavirus and its resulting economic catastrophe as the greatest threat to their well-being.

Portland has experienced weeks of daily protests since the death of George Floyd at the hands of Minnesota police.

The largest of them, involving thousands of people chanting and marching for racial justice and police non-violence, have been peaceful.

They document the damage done to city by these few, including photos, and city police response. The community is fed up with these people who have no respect for law or property as well as the right-wing extremist groups looking for confrontations. Most are vocally against unidentified federal troops in full riot gear detaining people putting them in unmarked vans and taking them to who knows where instead of to jail. This is third world stuff. Reminds me of what Communist China regime is doing in Hong Kong.

Other coverage here: https://www.oregonlive.com/ including https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/20...undercover-agents-in-crowds-records-show.html
 
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The Feds don't need to be there unless there is a valid Homeland Security reason. Leave Portland alone. Let them do their thing and when they find out it's not working, don't send any federal funding money to fix and repair things they tore up. They can use local or state funds. Except for interstate repairs so people can get through there asap.

Outside of your first two sentences, this is a not the way America works, Congress appropriates federal taxpayer money often for specific reasons in the form of grants, for instance. The CARES Act has sent lump sums to states to do as they wish in amounts varying by state for losses due to coronavirus.

You seem to be advocating that Congress as a whole not allocate any funding for one particular city and, in the case of allocations going to a state requiring that city not to receive any. Or that a President intervene in Congressional appropriations - something we have seen with this President and has been found in court as unconstitutional. He specifically targeted appropriations for Oregon and Portland's grants for funding the police.

Judge: Feds Wrongfully Interfered With $6M In Grants Over Oregon Sanctuary Law
(Oregon Public Broadcasting)

No other President has interfered with Congressional grants and considers those under his control to disburse. If he really wanted stronger police forces, he would not act to weaken those on a targeted basis. You seem to be advocating that type of illegality. Anything similar will continue to be found unconstitutional with the result being all those allocations over the years they are being illegally held up will go to those cities on resolution of those cases.
 
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IDK about the city itself so much but I used to like the Portland Timbers and would follow them on SM,... I had to stop. Over the last year and a half or so they would rarely post anything purely soccer, almost everything had political themes. This year they started this unofficial SJWish series designed to, educate I guess, people about how everything America sucks. It was pure demoralized Marxism 101,... from a freaking major sports team.

soccer has been interwoven with politics since the sport was founded. if you don't like their association then i'd suggest you take up another sport.
 

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Now this could be considered a conspiracy....

"An agent provocateur (French for "inciting agent") is a person who commits or who acts to entice another person to commit an illegal or rash act or falsely implicate them in partaking in an illegal act, so as to ruin the reputation or entice legal action against the target or a group they belong to. They may target any group, such as a peaceful protest or demonstration, a union, a political party or a company."

"A political organization or government may use agents provocateurs against political opponents. The provocateurs try to incite the opponent to do counter-productive or ineffective acts to foster public disdain or provide a pretext for aggression against the opponent." 'Wiki'

This Is used more than anyone wants to admit.

Yes, I understand your point, but it is my understanding that protests escalated to destruction weeks before feds were deployed.

I like the idea of letting Portland PD and local government deal with the issues, but I just know that in the end the federal government is going to bail them out which leaves the burden on the rest of us when it shouldn't be.
 

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When you look at local reporting in Portland and compare it to something like Fox News, which has its agenda of provocation, I come to the same conclusion.

The Oregonian journalists and photographers have done an excellent job in covering the situation.

Feds, right-wing media paint Portland as ‘city under siege.’ A tour of town shows otherwise
Updated Jul 20, 9:54 AM; Posted Jul 18, 12:30 PM



They document the damage done to city by these few, including photos, and city police response. The community is fed up with these people who have no respect for law or property as well as the right-wing extremist groups looking for confrontations. Most are vocally against unidentified federal troops in full riot gear detaining people putting them in unmarked vans and taking them to who knows where instead of to jail. This is third world stuff. Reminds me of what Communist China regime is doing in Hong Kong.

Other coverage here: https://www.oregonlive.com/ including https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/20...undercover-agents-in-crowds-records-show.html

Is there any evidence this is actually happening? Taken to places other than jails?
 

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IDK about the city itself so much but I used to like the Portland Timbers and would follow them on SM,... I had to stop. Over the last year and a half or so they would rarely post anything purely soccer, almost everything had political themes. This year they started this unofficial SJWish series designed to, educate I guess, people about how everything America sucks. It was pure demoralized Marxism 101,... from a freaking major sports team.

I went to a Timbers game a couple years ago and loved the city and the surrounding areas. I know the PNW is be coming a hot bed for the antifa crowd, but I didn't notice anything that jumped out at me during my trip.
 

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When these cities get destroyed by Antifa and BLM, they come crawling to the feds for a bailout. Trump will laugh and tell them to get bent.

Imagine the billions that Biden would send to them.
 

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Is there any evidence this is actually happening? Taken to places other than jails?

I don't believe there is any evidence of anything like that. But I guess it does make sense that they are in full riot gear since they are dealing with riots each night. That's kind of what the gear is for.
 

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The past few months have clearly been a right wing Fox News conspiracy. All protests have actually been incredibly peaceful and civil. Businesses have not been destroyed and I definitely haven’t seen police officers getting assaulted before my very eyes. As a matter of fact, I’m sure the lug nuts on my truck loosened up from routine driving. I’m sure it wasn’t purposefully done. All is well!
 
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