Police State USA

[tommyIRISH23]

The guy giving the presser was the family's lawyer (go figure). He said several other stupid things. He said in one breath that a taser wasn't a deadly weapon, then said he had tried to sue cops before for using a taser but it was ruled not to be a deadly weapon. He also said that they should have just woke him up and let him take an uber home if he was intoxicated.

Yeah I mean you'd expect that from the family's attorney. Im not sure what the deadly force policy is in GA but im sure well find out soon.

 

[Irish YJ]

Haha, I've been consistent since day 1. Trolling? I've seen people on this forum call for Americans to be shot dead, entire cities to burn, that the Coronavirus is a blue state only problem and that the country shouldn't care about them, nuclear war with China, and referring to Nancy Pelosi as Nazi Pelosi. So when I do any of that then maybe you unclutch those pearls.

Yes, trolling. A guy from Canada shows up on a ND board who doesn't post about anything ND.... I don't think I've ever seen you post in ND Football or Basketball threads. Why does a guy from CA show up strictly to talk about non-ND related topics on a ND board? 99% US politics.... Yup, pretty trollish. And you criticize the left just enough to say I don't wear blue undies, and say you were a conservative yet have zero good to say about anything GOP. Yep, classic troll... And the above attempt to use use inflammatory items to defend yourself.... more classic troll.

And by the way, according to the left, the entire right are Nazi's. Why clutch pearls over Nancy. I mean, her dad did dedicate a monument to Lee and Jackson. So I guess not a Nazi, just a racist family? lol

I'm not clutching pearls. I'm happy to feed the troll...

 

[Irish YJ]

Yeah I mean you'd expect that from the family's attorney. Im not sure what the deadly force policy is in GA but im sure well find out soon.

Yep, not sure why they would hand a mic to the family's attorney instead of the Mayor or someone in gov... Trying to get ahead of the publicity and ride the wave I guess. All of his commentary from him sounded like it was prep for a law suit.

Here in the ATL, they've shut down S and N-bound interstates (75), and seeing some fires but not sure how widespread they are.

 

[Irish YJ]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking! CNN news crew ATTACKED by rioters in Atlanta while they’re live on air, camera DESTROYED! <a href="https://t.co/pjd8HeiGZb">https://t.co/pjd8HeiGZb</a> <a href="https://t.co/439pabvEL3">pic.twitter.com/439pabvEL3</a></p>— ✟ Right Scoop ✟ (@trscoop) <a href="https://twitter.com/trscoop/status/1271999106907615233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Wendys where Atlanta police shot and killed 27-year-old Rayshard Brooks was set on fire by protesters <br> <a href="https://t.co/7ktgKMtUZY">pic.twitter.com/7ktgKMtUZY</a></p>— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) <a href="https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1272000066253979648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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[drayer54]

Nobody in their right mind would put that badge on now.

If they are, the lesson they just learned in Atlanta is that if a suspect is difficult, just let them go. If you get put in a position where you may have to defend yourself, just let them go. Then you keep your job and move on with life and hope the gangster you just released doesn’t kill or rape or whatever.

This will go beyond Atlanta. Cops are going to back off and crime will surge. Then the safety minded libs will demand more safety laws to fix it and never for a second recogniE that they caused it in the first place.

 

[Irish YJ]

Nobody in their right mind would put that badge on now.

If they are, the lesson they just learned in Atlanta is that if a suspect is difficult, just let them go. If you get put in a position where you may have to defend yourself, just let them go. Then you keep your job and move on with life and hope the gangster you just released doesn’t kill or rape or whatever.

This will go beyond Atlanta. Cops are going to back off and crime will surge. Then the safety minded libs will demand more safety laws to fix it and never for a second recogniE that they caused it in the first place.

I have friends and family in LE in both Indy and ATL. All of them are pretty depressed and questioning their career choices. All good and kind hearted guys. The ones in ATL are AA. One said he's going to try and move to the fire department. Another is going to try and get on with the Sheriff's department at the jail. One is already on the Sheriff's department (and at one of the jails) and has been trying to get out of there lol.

I saw earlier that 10 SWAT guys quit a department in FL due to their Mayor's rhetoric.

My guess on ATL.... They fired the officer. He'll sue over improper termination, and win $$ which the taxpayers will get to pay. The City will also make a deal in a civil suit with the family's attorney, more $$ paid by the taxpayers.

 

[Circa]

My question for everyone is....
Who is playing both sides?
Something/someone Is.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Nobody in their right mind would put that badge on now.

If they are, the lesson they just learned in Atlanta is that if a suspect is difficult, just let them go. If you get put in a position where you may have to defend yourself, just let them go. Then you keep your job and move on with life and hope the gangster you just released doesn’t kill or rape or whatever.

This will go beyond Atlanta. Cops are going to back off and crime will surge. Then the safety minded libs will demand more safety laws to fix it and never for a second recogniE that they caused it in the first place.

Pretty much sums up whats goin on in my head. The problem is theres also situations you can't physically get away from to let the bad guy go. Part of me literally feels like I have to be shot at (while praying it doesnt hit/or kill me) to defend myself.

 

[Irishize]

Nobody in their right mind would put that badge on now.

If they are, the lesson they just learned in Atlanta is that if a suspect is difficult, just let them go. If you get put in a position where you may have to defend yourself, just let them go. Then you keep your job and move on with life and hope the gangster you just released doesn’t kill or rape or whatever.

This will go beyond Atlanta. Cops are going to back off and crime will surge. Then the safety minded libs will demand more safety laws to fix it and never for a second recogniE that they caused it in the first place.

I agree Drayer. I know it was said as a joke by comedian Daniel Tosh but he may have been on to something.

“Require all cops to be black. We can let the whites be firemen, they love the outdoors anyway. Who wants tickets to the softball game now? They may need to put in a mercy rule.”

 

[Irishize]

This his hilarious...and some of you don’t know why

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[Legacy]

I think this is part of what everyone is talking about.

On one hand, if they man just cooperates, he is alive today.

On the other hand, is killing a man as he is running away from a DUI justice?

Again, not all the facts are in, but if this guy was running away, why not let the guy go and pick him up in a day or two? They obviously would know who he is and it's not like the guy was an immediate threat to the community on foot. So unless more comes out, I think this is one where lethal force is unwarranted.

Agree totally. This was an unnecessary loss of life. Not as if they cannot catch him in a block or two. Stopping a chase eliminates the chances of a policeman getting tased. Just go to his house later. He took a breathalyzer. How fast can a drunk guy run? After it's ruled a justifiable homicide, this cop is back on the street. Isn't the motto to Protect and Serve? I don't see why the guy needed to be killed in the public's interest and safety.

 

[calvegas04]

I hope the cop sues ATL for everything they have. No reason he should have been fired over that.

 

[Bishop2b5]

We've all seen it before, but it's worth a rewatch.

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My brother ran from the cops on his motorcycle years ago and when they finally caught him they didn't beat him up, but they were pretty rough. They threw his helmet into the woods, knocked his bike over, and the black cop who cuffed him and put him in the car bounced his head off the door sill. My brother was furious, but I reminded him of this... if you run from them, they're bringing an ass kicking with them. I bailed him out, made him apologize to the cops for running, and told him he got what he asked for. He laughs about it now and realizes he probably got off easy.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Agree totally. This was an unnecessary loss of life. Not as if they cannot catch him in a block or two. Stopping a chase eliminates the chances of a policeman getting tased. Just go to his house later. He took a breathalyzer. How fast can a drunk guy run? After it's ruled a justifiable homicide, this cop is back on the street. Isn't the motto to Protect and Serve? I don't see why the guy needed to be killed in the public's interest and safety.

DUI to aggravated assault followed by an argument for robbery (since he took the taser) then when the cops chased him, another case for attempted aggravated assault when he pointed the taser at them. There are still details that need to come out, ofcourse, like was the cop in range of the taser..etc But just let the guy go? So cops are supposed to just let people who commit felonies get away if the suspect doesnt want to be caught and run? Right...ff the guy just ran away and either got caught or got away, nothing would've happened. But he stopped, turned around and aimed the taser at the cop.

What if the cops let him go and he used the taser and robbed or otherwise victimized someone else? You're the guy that would be blaming the cop.

What if if the cop doesnt react, gets tased, and his gun taken and hes executed? Or stomped? Think that doesn't happen with some frequency? It happened 3 days ago. Or the cop gets tased, his gun taken, and the guy kills someone? Again, you'd be the guy blaming the cop for getting his gun taken while being tased.

Its amazing that you sincerely believe the guy was killed because of a DUI and running away. You conveniently leave the fact out that the available evidence we have shows that the guy attacked the cop, stole the taser, and then proceeded to try and tase the cop. You don't see a thing wrong with what the victim did? At all?

 

[Irish YJ]

I hope the cop sues ATL for everything they have. No reason he should have been fired over that.

Spoke to an AA ATL LEO today. He said this should be a slam dunk for the officer to win based on training and policy they observe. Like I said below, he'll take a bunch of taxpayer money, and the city will likely settle with family for a bunch more taxpayer money. Taxpayers will be hit twice because of political BS. He should have been put on desk duty while the situation played out. Instead, they immediately pushed the PC out, fired him, released the footage, and gave a mic to attorney representing the family.

Agree totally. This was an unnecessary loss of life. Not as if they cannot catch him in a block or two. Stopping a chase eliminates the chances of a policeman getting tased. Just go to his house later. He took a breathalyzer. How fast can a drunk guy run? After it's ruled a justifiable homicide, this cop is back on the street. Isn't the motto to Protect and Serve? I don't see why the guy needed to be killed in the public's interest and safety.

Nobody wants loss of life, but this whole take is pretty silly. It's certainly not clear cut. To say a guy who violently attacked police, who stole a weapon from the police, and whom fired that weapon at police, should be assumed not a risk to public safety? We should just assume he'll go home and wait to peacefully be arrested? Or he'll peacefully give up a few blocks away. Even if they didn't pursue him, now he has a stun gun, and we're going to assume he doesn't harm someone?

I'm sure you'd love a desperate drunk guy who just violently attacked police running around your neighborhood or business.

If anything, they should have asked the guy to lay down, keeping their distance at the time they decided to arrest him (when he flunked the BA). That may have prevented the scuffle that escalated everything. But that's a change to training/policy.

 

[irishff1014]

I hope the cop sues ATL for everything they have. No reason he should have been fired over that.

I agree 100%.

 

[irishff1014]

DUI to aggravated assault followed by an argument for robbery (since he took the taser) then when the cops chased him, another case for attempted aggravated assault when he pointed the taser at them. There are still details that need to come out, ofcourse, like was the cop in range of the taser..etc But just let the guy go? So cops are supposed to just let people who commit felonies get away if the suspect doesnt want to be caught and run? Right...ff the guy just ran away and either got caught or got away, nothing would've happened. But he stopped, turned around and aimed the taser at the cop.

What if the cops let him go and he used the taser and robbed or otherwise victimized someone else? You're the guy that would be blaming the cop.

What if if the cop doesnt react, gets tased, and his gun taken and hes executed? Or stomped? Think that doesn't happen with some frequency? It happened 3 days ago. Or the cop gets tased, his gun taken, and the guy kills someone? Again, you'd be the guy blaming the cop for getting his gun taken while being tased.

Its amazing that you sincerely believe the guy was killed because of a DUI and running away. You conveniently leave the fact out that the available evidence we have shows that the guy attacked the cop, stole the taser, and then proceeded to try and tase the cop. You don't see a thing wrong with what the victim did? At all?

Again you are using your brain. He was running away after being hit by the other officers taser.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Again you are using your brain. He was running away after being hit by the other officers taser.

lmao I know I have to stop thinking objectively. Bottom line is, the DUI escalated very quickly to a felonious assault and potentially a robbery (debatable). The cop cant just say ohh gee he assaulted me, stole my taser, aimed it at me, attempted to fire it...im just going to let him go with my very dangerous weapon and hope he doesnt hurt anyone else.

 

[irishff1014]

lmao I know I have to stop thinking objectively. Bottom line is, the DUI escalated very quickly to a felonious assault and potentially a robbery (debatable). The cop cant just say ohh gee he assaulted me, stole my taser, aimed it at me, attempted to fire it...im just going to let him go with my very dangerous weapon and hope he doesnt hurt anyone else.

Hell yea. He was running away after being hit with the other officers. They say that shit hurts too. From all the people i know in law enforcement. He blew a .108. Don't act like a fucking idiot and he would still be alive. I haven't found his record yet but i would be willing to bet he has priors hence he decided to run.

 

[Ndaccountant]

lmao I know I have to stop thinking objectively. Bottom line is, the DUI escalated very quickly to a felonious assault and potentially a robbery (debatable). The cop cant just say ohh gee he assaulted me, stole my taser, aimed it at me, attempted to fire it...im just going to let him go with my very dangerous weapon and hope he doesnt hurt anyone else.

They preemptively shot him under the notion that he would do one of the things you mentioned. That is pre-cog like.

The man deserved to be put in jail for many years for what he did, he didn't deserve to die. As it is in many car chases, you can still follow the suspect from afar and intervene if needed. If he moves to car jack someone, then you can fire your weapon. If he tries to break into a home, you fire your weapon.

But the cops made two deadly mistakes. First, they allowed the man to get the taser away as the two of them were unable to handcuff him. Second, they chased him, apparently close enough to feel threatened by said taser, to the point of killing the man.

The man made many poor decisions and that doesn't need to be ignored. But his mistakes were not deadly. The cops mistake in firing the weapon was grave. My opinion, you don't get a do-over when you take someone's life. I am not saying the cop should be charged, but I don't think losing a job is out of line when he questionably killed someone. Though I do think the investigation should be concluded before any decision on that is made.

And for the record, I am saying this as someone that stands on the side of police in this ongoing national debate. I think they have been vilified unfairly and they have been asked to do things that shouldn't be asked of them to do (mental health calls a perfect example). I am happy that the SWAT team in Florida resigned to make the point that they did. I am happy that NYC police hold a press conference to show dismay to the public. 98% of police are stand up individuals and we need them. We also need to recognize though that they can make mistakes, especially when those mistakes lead to loss of life. It's hopefully clear to everyone that there is a large portion of our country that feels betrayed by the system. We cannot function as a country the way that we could, and should, until elements of the system are appropriately addressed. Accountability for mistakes is a significant step in that direction. Something needs to change.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Don't act like a fucking idiot and he would still be alive.

THIS! The vast majority of the time when somebody gets shot, it's this. Stop doing stupid shit. Stop committing crimes. Stop running from the cops and resisting arrest. Act like a civilized human being and take some responsibility for your actions and behavior. STOP DOING STUPID SHIT!!! Would that eliminate all police shootings and cops doing bad things? Of course not, but it would eliminate about 99% of the bad interactions and suspects getting shot or beaten.

 

[Ndaccountant]

THIS! The vast majority of the time when somebody gets shot, it's this. Stop doing stupid shit. Stop committing crimes. Stop running from the cops and resisting arrest. Act like a civilized human being and take some responsibility for your actions and behavior. STOP DOING STUPID SHIT!!! Would that eliminate all police shootings and cops doing bad things? Of course not, but it would eliminate about 99% of the bad interactions and suspects getting shot or beaten.

Why do you think people do"stupid shit"?

 

[irishff1014]

Why do you think people do"stupid shit"?

I know you aren't asking me but I know people do stupid Shit.

This case he was drunk then decided to act like a complete idiot. Normal people don't run from the police, normal people don't fight the police normal people do exactly what they are told to do.

 

[ACamp1900]

A church was vandalized in town yesterday,... it’s a church I know, multi ethnic, my niece was recently baptized there,... good place,... it’s being said everywhere across town in the papers and on social media that a black church was targeted in a racially motivated attack,... literally every place I’ve seen it covered. We don’t even know who did it or why and forget the fact it isn’t a ‘black church’,... hard to fight real issues when the media creates fake ones left and right.

 

[irishff1014]

A church was vandalized in town yesterday,... it’s a church I know, multi ethnic, my niece was recently baptized there,... good place,... it’s being said everywhere across town in the papers and on social media that a black church was targeted in a racially motivated attack,... literally every place I’ve seen it covered. We don’t even know who did it or why and forget the fact it isn’t a ‘black church’,... hard to fight real issues when the media creates fake ones left and right.

The media isn't worth anything anything any more.

 

[Irishize]

DUI to aggravated assault followed by an argument for robbery (since he took the taser) then when the cops chased him, another case for attempted aggravated assault when he pointed the taser at them. There are still details that need to come out, ofcourse, like was the cop in range of the taser..etc But just let the guy go? So cops are supposed to just let people who commit felonies get away if the suspect doesnt want to be caught and run? Right...ff the guy just ran away and either got caught or got away, nothing would've happened. But he stopped, turned around and aimed the taser at the cop.

What if the cops let him go and he used the taser and robbed or otherwise victimized someone else? You're the guy that would be blaming the cop.

What if if the cop doesnt react, gets tased, and his gun taken and hes executed? Or stomped? Think that doesn't happen with some frequency? It happened 3 days ago. Or the cop gets tased, his gun taken, and the guy kills someone? Again, you'd be the guy blaming the cop for getting his gun taken while being tased.

Its amazing that you sincerely believe the guy was killed because of a DUI and running away. You conveniently leave the fact out that the available evidence we have shows that the guy attacked the cop, stole the taser, and then proceeded to try and tase the cop. You don't see a thing wrong with what the victim did? At all?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is the Atlanta PD manual rule on when you can use deadly force.<br><br>Only argument seems over the officer could have reasonably believed Brooks posed "an immediate threat of serious bodily injury to the officer or others". <a href="https://t.co/qNa7XXQjNl">pic.twitter.com/qNa7XXQjNl</a></p>— (((AG))) (@AGHamilton29) <a href="https://twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1272191824321556482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Circa]

This might not be the time but, I feel like all leo's should have a rule like the honey bee. You shoot and kill anyone and your out.
Once an officer experiences that level of violence (right or wrong) he is damaged. He has no more reason to stay on a job that could be escalated later through PTSD.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I know you aren't asking me but I know people do stupid Shit.

This case he was drunk then decided to act like a complete idiot. Normal people don't run from the police, normal people don't fight the police normal people do exactly what they are told to do.

He was drunk and I have seen many people do dumb things with LE when drunk. I have no idea why in this particular case he struggled.

Maybe he had priors.
Maybe he couldn't afford bail and could only think about his daughters party the next day.
Maybe he knew he was going to lose his job.
Maybe he was scared of what two white cops were going to do to him.
Maybe he was pissed off at white cops and took it out on the cops.

I have no idea. None of us will unfortunately. But there are many possible reasons why he chose to do what he did, some nefarious and some might be completely "normal", whatever that means.

 

[calvegas04]

This might not be the time but, I feel like all leo's should have a rule like the honey bee. You shoot and kill anyone and your out.
Once an officer experiences that level of violence (right or wrong) he is damaged. He has no more reason to stay on a job that could be escalated later through PTSD.

I would be okay with that, as long as they receive full pay and benefits for life.

 

[NorthDakota]

This might not be the time but, I feel like all leo's should have a rule like the honey bee. You shoot and kill anyone and your out.
Once an officer experiences that level of violence (right or wrong) he is damaged. He has no more reason to stay on a job that could be escalated later through PTSD.

You suggesting every person who has ever killed someone is damaged?