Police State USA

[IrishinSyria]

I bet all those murder rates still look pretty good if you compare them to early 90s numbers.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

The NYT reports:


Because poverty, drug and gun availability, etc., is so much greater than last year. The war on police has consequences.

The war on police has increased poverty? Increased drug use? or drug supply? or just more shipped in? And more guns are now available than in the past?

I don't want a war on police but I want to understand what you are claiming.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I bet all those murder rates still look pretty good if you compare them to early 90s numbers.

And Al Qaeda doesn't look bad compared to ISIS, what's the point?

 

[irishff1014]

MD Governor has asked Maryland police commission to come up with some suggestions from state wide body cameras. I look forward to seeing this.

I think the cameras will show both good cops, bad cops, good people and bad people. But there needs to be a way that the officers can take them off while eating, using the restroom, and telling there family good night while working nights.

 

[goldandblue]

MD Governor has asked Maryland police commission to come up with some suggestions from state wide body cameras. I look forward to seeing this.

I think the cameras will show both good cops, bad cops, good people and bad people. But there needs to be a way that the officers can take them off while eating, using the restroom, and telling there family good night while working nights.

The cameras are activated by the officer in most cases. They use these in our area.

 

[irishff1014]

The cameras are activated by the officer in most cases. They use these in our area.

There is one major issue with cameras that are activated by officers in my book. These cameras in my eye will help the officers more then the public imo. With that said do you want an officer that has multiple write ups and or an officer that has been talked to about his actions to have the ability to turn his camera on and off. I think the officers with character issues would have ways to still be a prick.

 

[goldandblue]

I am not 100% certain but I believe all body cameras are self activated. It may not be the best, but it is a step in the right direction. I do some work for a local agency that carries this exact model. Their Policy is to engage the video upon exiting the car for any traffic stop or call. They disengage when the situation is over and they re-enter the car. They started these due to one of their officers being shot.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I am not 100% certain but I believe all body cameras are self activated. It may not be the best, but it is a step in the right direction. I do some work for a local agency that carries this exact model. Their Policy is to engage the video upon exiting the car for any traffic stop or call. They disengage when the situation is over and they re-enter the car. They started these due to one of their officers being shot.

I'll need someone to go half and half with me on this, but here's an idea. Make the cameras activate when the officer leaves his vehicle and shut off when he re-enters.
Now, I need a few people with here. Someone to create the technology, someone to bring it to market, and someone to deposit money in to my bank.
Any takers?

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

A police officer was just shot about a mile from my home. Guess it's two armed suspects and they took his firearm. Still on the loose.
My kid's school is on lockdown.

 

[irishff1014]

A police officer was just shot about a mile from my home. Guess it's two armed suspects and they took his firearm. Still on the loose.
My kid's school is on lockdown.

The officer has died.

 

[irishff1014]

I am not 100% certain but I believe all body cameras are self activated. It may not be the best, but it is a step in the right direction. I do some work for a local agency that carries this exact model. Their Policy is to engage the video upon exiting the car for any traffic stop or call. They disengage when the situation is over and they re-enter the car. They started these due to one of their officers being shot.

Hard to do this when involved in a chase or a high priority incident. We all are human and do forget.

 

[irishff1014]

I'll need someone to go half and half with me on this, but here's an idea. Make the cameras activate when the officer leaves his vehicle and shut off when he re-enters.
Now, I need a few people with here. Someone to create the technology, someone to bring it to market, and someone to deposit money in to my bank.
Any takers?

Not sure how they can do this or if it is possible. I know a lot of the in car cameras turn on when lights turn on and backs up to 30 seconds prior.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Not sure how they can do this or if it is possible. I know a lot of the in car cameras turn on when lights turn on and backs up to 30 seconds prior.

With today's technology, I can't see it being hard. With no actual knowledge or how this stuff works, I'd say it would be as simple as linking the cameras to a device in the car, and when the officer is a foot from that device it activates. Or when he puts the car in park. Or any variety of things.

 

[BGIF]

CNN and Fox both reporting a Fox Lake officer reported he was in foot pursuit of 2 white males and one black male at 7:52 am. When back-up arrived they found the pushing officer shot. A manhunt is underway with dogs and helicopters. Suspects took the officer's gun and pepper spray an are considered armed and dangerous.

As of 11:56 CT both stations are reporting the officer injured with no update on his status.

CNN had a Lake County spokesperson on the phone. He confirmed the above and added he has no updated status on the injured officer.

 

[BGIF]

12:07 CT Dan Hinkle, Chicago Tribune, live on Fox TV reports a police spokesman (Hinkle gave the name and title) confirmed the officer has died.

Hinkle noted there are rumors that one suspect is female but it's not confirmed.

 

[irishff1014]

August has been open season on police officers. Their jobs are hard enough as it is without the added pressure if they will be gunned down at any minute.

 

[Rhode Irish]

August has been open season on police officers. Their jobs are hard enough as it is without the added pressure if they will be gunned down at any minute.

Maybe now they know how the rest of us feel, not knowing when a cop is going to show up at our house and shoot us for no reason?

Wrong house shooting: 'Why did they shoot me? Why did they... | www.ajc.com

 

[calvegas04]

Maybe now they know how the rest of us feel, not knowing when a cop is going to show up at our house and shoot us for no reason?

Wrong house shooting: 'Why did they shoot me? Why did they... | www.ajc.com

lol I am sure you are fearful everyday that a cop is going to roll up to your house for no reason and shoot you.

 

[Irish Insanity]

lol I am sure you are fearful everyday that a cop is going to roll up to your house for no reason and shoot you.

He may not be, I am not, but unfortunately I know someone who does. Actually a few people. 2 of them are young children. Neither of them, nor their parents, asked for that fear.

 

[irishff1014]

Maybe now they know how the rest of us feel, not knowing when a cop is going to show up at our house and shoot us for no reason?

Wrong house shooting: 'Why did they shoot me? Why did they... | www.ajc.com

First things first this what happens when people call 911 and don't know where they are. Trust me on this one you would be surprised how many people don't know their address or if driving the road or the last milemaker they pasted.

The cop can only go where they are dispatched. Unfortunately from another article I read there were two houses that meet the description given.

And if you are scared of a cop you have a reason to be....

 

[Irish Insanity]

And if you are scared of a cop you have a reason to be....

This couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[Rhode Irish]

People getting shot for being in the wrong place is obviously not very common. Either are targeted cop shootings. The "rash" of police being shot lately has been what? A handful? How many cops are there? How many people do cops shoot in a given month?

 

[kmoose]

How many people do cops shoot in a given month?

Shooting someone can be a part of the cops' job. Shooting a cop is RARELY ever justified, from an innocent civilian. So the comparison is not a fair one.

 

[irishff1014]

People getting shot for being in the wrong place is obviously not very common. Either are targeted cop shootings. The "rash" of police being shot lately has been what? A handful? How many cops are there? How many people do cops shoot in a given month?

I think it was 8 fatal and 16 total for the month of August.

It is actually 16 fatal. And yes that includes the one friendly fire.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I think shooting anyone is very rarely justified. I'm definitely not saying people should be shooting cops. I'm just saying if you want to live in a world where everyone has a gun, some people are going to get shot. And I'm not more sympathetic to police who are shot than anyone else, since they do most of the rest of the shooting and it is a known occupational hazard for people who want to do that job.

 

[Grahambo]

I think shooting anyone is very rarely justified. I'm definitely not saying people should be shooting cops. I'm just saying if you want to live in a world where everyone has a gun, some people are going to get shot. And I'm not more sympathetic to police who are shot than anyone else, since they do most of the rest of the shooting and it is a known occupational hazard for people who want to do that job.

Aren't you just a bundle of joy.

 

[pkt77242]

I think it was 8 fatal and 16 total for the month of August.

Out of curiosity are you including the one hit by friendly fire?

 

[Rhode Irish]

Aren't you just a bundle of joy.

Is this a topic that gives most people the warm and fuzzies? I

 

[IrishLion]

The DeKalb incident makes the cops sound like the Three Stooges, but with guns and innocent lives at risk. And I'm seriously not trying to make a joke.

1. You enter the wrong house without announcing yourself
2. You shoot a dog at the house that you think you are responding to for a burglary; you are showing up to help the homeowners, but you shoot the resident dog?
3. You shoot an innocent man, WITHOUT KNOWING IF HE IS A BURGLAR OR NOT
4. You shoot one of your own officers in the chaos??? How fit are you to carry a gun if you are a risk to shoot another officer in a moment of chaos and panic?

 

[IrishinSyria]

I think shooting anyone is very rarely justified. I'm definitely not saying people should be shooting cops. I'm just saying if you want to live in a world where everyone has a gun, some people are going to get shot. And I'm not more sympathetic to police who are shot than anyone else, since they do most of the rest of the shooting and it is a known occupational hazard for people who want to do that job.

I'm with you up until here. By no stretch of the imagination do police do "most of the rest of the shooting" in this country. Also, the police getting shot are never the police who have been involved in an unjustified shooting. On a micro-level, a police shooting is tragic. There's no assumption of risk or any other factor that mitigates that.

On a macro level, these are only going to make things worse. When police shoot innocents, it's almost never out of unrestrained malice. It usually happens when someone with minimal training is put in an ambiguous and potentially dangerous scenario and fear leads them to make the wrong choice. Even a (statistically insignificant) number of these incidents will reinforce that fear which in turn will further cloud police judgment in dangerous situations.