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25 year old sums the story up for me. Kids.. and there's this.
https://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/travel.htm

"1) Citizens who involve themselves in commerce upon the highways of the state.
Here is what the courts have said about this:
"...For while a citizen has the right to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, that right does not extend to the use of the highways...as a place for private gain. For the latter purpose, no person has a vested right to use the highways of this state, but it is a privilege...which the (state) may grant or withhold at its discretion..." State v. Johnson, 245 P 1073.
There are many court cases that confirm and point out the difference between the right of the citizen to travel and a government privilege and there are numerous other court decisions that spell out the jurisdiction issue in these two distinctly different activities. However, because of space restrictions, we will leave it to officers to research it further for themselves.
(2) The second group of citizens that is legally under the jurisdiction of the state are those citizens who have voluntarily and knowingly waived their right to travel unregulated and unrestricted by requesting placement under such jurisdiction through the acquisition of a state driver's license, vehicle registration, mandatory insurance, etc. (In other words, by contract.)
We should remember what makes this legal and not a violation of the common law right to travel is that they knowingly volunteer by contract to waive their rights. If they were forced, coerced or unknowingly placed under the state's powers, the courts have said it is a clear violation of their rights.

We should remember what makes this legal and not a violation of the common law right to travel is that they knowingly volunteer by contract to waive their rights. If they were forced, coerced or unknowingly placed under the state's powers, the courts have said it is a clear violation of their rights.
This in itself raises a very interesting question. What percentage of the people in each state have applied for and received licenses, registrations and obtained insurance after erroneously being advised by their government that it was mandatory?

Many of our courts, attorneys and police officials are just becoming informed about this important issue and the difference between privileges and rights.

We can assume that the majority of those Americans carrying state licenses and vehicle registrations have no knowledge of the rights they waived in obeying laws such as these that the U.S. Constitution clearly states are unlawful, i.e. laws of no effect -laws that are not laws at all.

An area of serious consideration for every police officer is to understand that the most important law in our land which he has taken an oath to protect, defend, and enforce, is not state laws and city or county ordinances, but the law that supercedes all other laws -- the U.S. Constitution. If laws in a particular state or local community conflict with the supreme law of our nation, there is no question that the officer's duty is to uphold the U.S. Constitution.

Every police officer should keep the following U.S. court ruling --discussed earlier -- in mind before issuing citations concerning licensing, registration, and insurance:

"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime." Miller v. US, 230 F 486, 489.
And as we have seen, traveling freely, going about one's daily activities, is the exercise of a most basic right."


It's a God Damn Shame! This man lost his life over a right that he probably had no Idea existed.
 
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I assume he meant what everyone means by it. A massively failed policy attempting to reign in drug use which only led to a massive increase in violence and taxpayer money spent that is also disproportionately enforced in minority communities.

With huge incarnation rates due, in part, to ridiculous mandatory minimum sentences.
 

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I assume he meant what everyone means by it. A massively failed policy attempting to reign in drug use which only led to a massive increase in violence and taxpayer money spent that is also disproportionately enforced in minority communities.

Actually, to a lot of people, stopping the war on drugs equates to legalizing them. I was just wondering if he was in that camp.
 
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I honestly had no idea there are people who actually believe stopping the war on drugs = legalization of all illegal drugs.
 

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Man I watched that video a half dozen times...

It looked like the driver reached for something in the passenger seat maybe, and nearly simultaneously tried to flee by accelerating the car. I see the gun appear, and get shoved into the car, and then a shot rings out. Is that what I'm seeing?

I didn't see the car move until after the cop pulled his gun.
 

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Man I watched that video a half dozen times...

It looked like the driver reached for something in the passenger seat maybe, and nearly simultaneously tried to flee by accelerating the car. I see the gun appear, and get shoved into the car, and then a shot rings out. Is that what I'm seeing?

The video just confuses me.

EDIT: Apparently there is a second, unreleased video that shows the officer falling over when the shot rings out. So it seems like DuBose reaches for the ignition (to flee?), and the officer fired a shot (possibly accidentally?) while falling over... seems like manslaughter not murder.
 
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Man I watched that video a half dozen times...

It looked like the driver reached for something in the passenger seat maybe, and nearly simultaneously tried to flee by accelerating the car. I see the gun appear, and get shoved into the car, and then a shot rings out. Is that what I'm seeing?

I didn't see the car move until after the cop pulled his gun.

Not sure if you guys are seeing the edited video or the whole, unedited video, but I watched the full 6 minute video at work a bunch of times once it was released.

1. The situation went from 0-100 very quickly on behalf of both parties. The cop was actually being pretty cool in the beginning, and the guy wasn't being sketchy at all.

2. Once the guy started being sketchy and dancing around the "do you have your license" question, the cop stopped being cordial. Understandable.

3. The cop asks the guy to take his seatbelt off. At this point, the cop was also trying to slowly open the guy's car door, which I don't think he has a right to do at this point.

4. After that, it looked like the guy was trying to put his car in drive. I think the car started moving a bit, but it's hard to tell with the way the camera starts shaking because a struggle begins immediately.

5. I don't think the struggle was anything the cop needed to pull a gun for. It's actually amazing how quickly this cop decided to pull, and use, his gun. Unfathomable almost. At most, the guy is trying to drive away, but even then, the cop lied and said he had been dragged by the car, and another cop at the scene backed up this story.

Without the body camera, this cop would have gotten away with what he did and the lie he told, and the lie that was backed up by his fellow officers. The guy that he shot had 60+ arrests on his record, and that wouldn't have helped the case. But because of the body camera, we see it was a cop that was too quick to pull the trigger.

I understand that police officers have difficult jobs... but this one seems defenseless. The cop had his gun pulled and discharged before it was even clear that the suspect was trying to flee.
 
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Yup.

I've been in the same scenario as that cop and I still can't figure the hell was going through the cop's head. I really can't. A minor situation at best.

You can't?

Or you don't really ask why, anymore?

Because I am pretty sure my experience tells me, that you have seen enough to know that no one can ever predict how another will react in a given situation. (Unless you have worked together for a long time, have that connection, and both are battle tested.)
 

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You can't?

Or you don't really ask why, anymore?

Because I am pretty sure my experience tells me, that you have seen enough to know that no one can ever predict how another will react in a given situation. (Unless you have worked together for a long time, have that connection, and both are battle tested.)


You can?
 
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What can or can't I do? Anything within my power if I set my mind to it!


"Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can?"
Sun Tzu


But as far as "all I can do" goes, predicting my neighbors actions or what they are thinking, nada! Let alone what is going through the mind of an unknown, untested person in an incredibly stressful situation!
 

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Sad state this country is in. A cop doing his job and military vet gets killed no one gives a rat ass. He was on supervised release from a bank robbery. First off that never should have happened. Thank you media for setting a trend that i hope comes back to bite you in the ass.

RIP Sean Bolton your service is well respected by some!!!!!

How long of his sentence did he serve before he was released? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
 

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California Becomes First State to Ban Grand Juries in Police Shooting Cases

The refusal to indict, as occurred in Ferguson and other communities of color, has fostered an atmosphere of suspicion that threatens to compromise our justice system.
—Allie Gross on Thu. August 13, 2015 6:00 AM PDT


Guess they need to ban the Justice Department for their "refusal to indict" in Ferguson and the FBI for failing to find evidence of a crime.
 

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There was a big 'ol protest today in DC where the protestors shut down one of the major highways.

I saw this posted by someone on Facebook... anyone fact check it?
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California Becomes First State to Ban Grand Juries in Police Shooting Cases


—Allie Gross on Thu. August 13, 2015 6:00 AM PDT


Guess they need to ban the Justice Department for their "refusal to indict" in Ferguson and the FBI for failing to find evidence of a crime.

If it doesn't fit your argument, ban it.
 

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That city Other then Inner harbor area equals shit hole and the people running it are equal.
 

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More than 8 months after the shooting, they finally get around to charging the cop. Seems like a slam dunk. This incident took place weeks before Mosby took office. It was there right out of the gate.

I'm curious why so long when they had witnesses testifying to the unjustified shooting. Seems the two cops that weren't charged (good shot for them) had the situation well in hand with the burglar down on his back and unarmed and they standing over him with guns still drawn. The last shooter does seem way late to the situtation with no justification for shooting besides a seemingly "Go ahead, make my day" attitude.

Had this shooting been charged by Mosby on a timely basis, a strong message would have been sent to the Baltimore PD and Freddie Grey might still be alive.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Maroon Alert: Starkville Campus. Active shooter report at Carpenter Hall. Seek Safety immediately</p>— MSU Student Assoc. (@MSU_SA) <a href="https://twitter.com/MSU_SA/status/636920550443642880">August 27, 2015</a></blockquote>
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The NYT reports:
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Murder Rates Rising Sharply in Many U.S. Cities

By MONICA DAVEY and MITCH SMITH AUG. 31, 2015

MILWAUKEE — Cities across the nation are seeing a startling rise in murders after years of declines, and few places have witnessed a shift as precipitous as this city. With the summer not yet over, 104 people have been killed this year — after 86 homicides in all of 2014.

More than 30 other cities have also reported increases in violence from a year ago. In New Orleans, 120 people had been killed by late August, compared with 98 during the same period a year earlier. In Baltimore, homicides had hit 215, up from 138 at the same point in 2014. In Washington, the toll was 105, compared with 73 people a year ago. And in St. Louis, 136 people had been killed this year, a 60 percent rise from the 85 murders the city had by the same time last year.

Law enforcement experts say disparate factors are at play in different cities, though no one is claiming to know for sure why murder rates are climbing. Some officials say intense national scrutiny of the use of force by the police has made officers less aggressive and emboldened criminals, though many experts dispute that theory.

Because poverty, drug and gun availability, etc., is so much greater than last year. The war on police has consequences.
 
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The NYT reports:


Because poverty, drug and gun availability, etc., is so much greater than last year. The war on police has consequences.

From the article you quoted:
Law enforcement experts say disparate factors are at play in different cities, though no one is claiming to know for sure why murder rates are climbing. Some officials say intense national scrutiny of the use of force by the police has made officers less aggressive and emboldened criminals, though many experts dispute that theory.
 
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