Police State USA

[pkt77242]

Here's A Much-Needed Reminder About Civil Unrest In Light Of The Baltimore Riots

 

[GoIrish41]

Here's A Much-Needed Reminder About Civil Unrest In Light Of The Baltimore Riots

UK students ... Fucking animals! We should send in soldiers to shoot them!

 

[ginman]

UK students ... Fucking animals! We should send in soldiers to shoot them!

Nobody was talking about fuking animals, just giving them a handy!

 

[NDgradstudent]

Here's A Much-Needed Reminder About Civil Unrest In Light Of The Baltimore Riots

College students often act like animals (I assume that it is not racist to use the term to describe the behavior of white people)...is this news to anyone? They should be repressed as vigorously as the rioters in Baltimore, in my view. In large part it is the result of the permissive and amoral attitudes of universities these days. What we do not hear in those cases are attempts to claim that "systematic oppression" justifies or excuses the rioters' behavior, as we do in the case of black rioting, even though blacks and Democrats have run Baltimore for decades.

 

[GoIrish41]

Nobody was talking about fuking animals, just giving them a handy!

I thought jackin off horses was foreplay.

 

[ginman]

i never got that far

 

[IrishLion]

Here's A Much-Needed Reminder About Civil Unrest In Light Of The Baltimore Riots

UK students ... Fucking animals! We should send in soldiers to shoot them!

It's funny, because I was going to post yesterday during the "animals" debate that I've referred to UK fans as "animals" many times during these shenanigans (I live in Kentucky), but I didn't think it was worth it.

But since it's been brought up, Kentucky fans act like animals when they riot/burn/pillage/destroy. It must be because they're all black.

 

[IrishLax]

Here's A Much-Needed Reminder About Civil Unrest In Light Of The Baltimore Riots

UK students ... Fucking animals! We should send in soldiers to shoot them!

You guys honestly believe that those riots in scope compare to these riots in which -- as of stats I heard yesterday on local news driving home -- 70+ businesses were destroyed, not to mention the widespread robberies and other looting.

There are tons of similarities between those riots and these ones... namely destruction of property and assault. But you don't see Kentucky or San Francisco fans robbing/looting/burning businesses and other buildings, which is the part people give a crap about. If these people were just flipping some cars and ripping out some signs and clashing with police it'd be a completely different story.

 

[GoIrish41]

College students often act like animals (I assume that it is not racist to use the term to describe the behavior of white people)...is this news to anyone? They should be repressed as vigorously as the rioters in Baltimore, in my view. In large part it is the result of the permissive and amoral attitudes of universities these days. What we do not hear in those cases are attempts to claim that "systematic oppression" justifies or excuses the rioters' behavior, as we do in the case of black rioting, even though blacks and Democrats have run Baltimore for decades.

It may be considered by some racist to assume that college students automatically means white people, but why quibble about that when there is so much other than that wrong in this post. You do not hear about the systemic oppression of college students because it would be stupid to make such a claim as college students are in a position to rise in society through education and are the embodiment of opportunity in America. That is not the case with inner city black people and if you think that is a apt comparison then it probably is not even worth discussing this with you. Have you read the post by ndworld a few posts prior to get a deeper understanding of the history of Baltimore segregation? You might also make an effort to understand historic and contemporary racial injustices this country a little more broadly in general. Baltimore is not something that happened in a vacuum.

 

[GoIrish41]

You guys honestly believe that those riots in scope compare to these riots in which -- as of stats I heard yesterday on local news driving home -- 70+ businesses were destroyed, not to mention the widespread robberies and other looting.

There are tons of similarities between those riots and these ones... namely destruction of property and assault. But you don't see Kentucky or San Francisco fans robbing/looting/burning businesses and other buildings, which is the part people give a crap about. If these people were just flipping some cars and ripping out some signs and clashing with police it'd be a completely different story.

I do not. When I posted those long posts about the history of riots in the United States I excluded most of the sports-related ones for that very reason. I was just joking in the post you quoted (thus the italics).

 

[dshans]

Isn't your Jack example incorrect? My understanding as to capitalization is along these lines:

"Helping your uncle, Jack, from his horse."
or
"Helping your Uncle Jack from his horse."

The second one, without the comma, makes uncle part of Jack's name, thus it is capitalized. Whereas in the first one, uncle is just a term and not part of the person's name, thus no capitalization.

You are correct. In haste I mixed the two examples and got it wrong.

Thanks.

 

[GoIrish41]

You are correct. In haste I mixed the two examples and got it wrong.

Thanks.

Haste make waist.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Obviously, racism still exists heavily in the country. As it relates to Baltimore, however, I'm not sure how blacks are feeling much social injustice inside the city. Demographics don't tell the whole story, but the city has been more diverse every decade, and now sits at 70% black. As others pointed out, the police force in the city is black-majority as is the City Council and the Mayor. The population also dropped every year for 60+ years until recently, and the population in 1950 was higher than it is now. This isn't some over-populated and packed region. I'm surprised that crime and poverty seem so prevalent in a city with a relatively low population like this.

How Baltimore’s Young Black Men Are Boxed In | FiveThirtyEight

This article did a good job showing the economic disparity in the city by race. I'm still surprised the city is struggling this hard though. Is there anyone on here from the area who knows why it's doing so poorly? I feel like I've read articles saying Baltimore has had a mini-revitalization the last couple years too....

I guess part of my issue understanding is that the city I know best (Boston) essentially runs itself perfectly with the amount of colleges, hospitals, and corporations in the area. Philly is similar in some areas. Is downtown Baltimore much different from a typical city?

I'm well aware blacks are at a disadvantage in many ways in this country, but a city like Atlanta has shown it is possible to be predominantly-black and have a strong middle and upper class. I guess I'm just curious how a predominantly-black city like Baltimore could have the complete opposite situation happening economically and socially.

Baltimore's revolution has been almost exclusively confined to the (mostly white) inner harbor and some other nice areas near by. The city's invested a ton of money in that inner circle of neighborhoods, while the north and Northwest parts of the city are utterly neglected. I live on the south side of Chicago and parts of Baltimore are definitely worse. The city captures all of the problems caused with the collapse of the industrial sector in the US.

 

[pkt77242]

You guys honestly believe that those riots in scope compare to these riots in which -- as of stats I heard yesterday on local news driving home -- 70+ businesses were destroyed, not to mention the widespread robberies and other looting.

There are tons of similarities between those riots and these ones... namely destruction of property and assault. But you don't see Kentucky or San Francisco fans robbing/looting/burning businesses and other buildings, which is the part people give a crap about. If these people were just flipping some cars and ripping out some signs and clashing with police it'd be a completely different story.

I agree that the scope is not the same. Though I would add that the intensity of the riot makes sense in comparison to what they are rioting about. Just as the Baltimore riot is significantly more destructive than the UK or SF riots, the people are rioting for a reason that has significantly more meaning (needless death of a person and police brutality against minorities vs. team winning or losing a game). Personally I don't like rioting and I feel that more harm is done than good.

Edit: Also the SF riot after the Giants won in 2012 was rather destructive (though still nothing like the Baltimore riots) as there was over a million dollars in damage to the buses alone.

 

[GDomer09]

It may be considered by some racist to assume that college students automatically means white people, but why quibble about that when there is so much other than that wrong in this post. You do not hear about the systemic oppression of college students because it would be stupid to make such a claim as college students are in a position to rise in society through education and are the embodiment of opportunity in America. That is not the case with inner city black people and if you think that is a apt comparison then it probably is not even worth discussing this with you. Have you read the post by ndworld a few posts prior to get a deeper understanding of the history of Baltimore segregation? You might also make an effort to understand historic and contemporary racial injustices this country a little more broadly in general. Baltimore is not something that happened in a vacuum.

I've been struggling with this one. I've heard it a few times since these protests have started. What in the inner city, besides the parenting and guidance of the youth, is keeping young black people from going to college and working there ass off just to have Student LOANS to the ceiling like any other person? My pre-college education wasn't anything near considered good and my parents or I never attempted to set funds aside for my college. All student loans and starting from the bottom to learn a lot of things I should have learned in high school. There's even handouts available for people with low incomes.

 

[Irish#1]

I do not disagree with any of this. The difference is that cops often decide there is no need for a trial, or their compadres in the DA's office decide there will be no charges. They get expedient answers when their necks are on the line. Not usually true for victims of alleged police wrong- doing. I agree that the case is being handled properly in South Carolina and that expectations should be more realistic. In Baltimore though the controversy about when Freddy Gray was injured smells of police protecting their own. The video pretty clearly showed that he was injured before he was put into the van "and not strapped in", thereby causing the injuries. Sounds a little far fetched minutes earlier he was running and when they were putting him in the van it appeared that his legs were not working properly. If the police version of the story ends up being the official final word on this I feel the riots will erupt again. I hope they do not, but believe they will.

This could be true and if so, needs to be rectified.

 

[Irish#1]

With all due respect, this bolded statement is completely false as it relates to Baltimore. Baltimore's history of housing segregation dates much earlier than the 1960's and was absolutely meant to divide white and black communities. Baltimore was the first city to segregate, by law, whites and black neighborhoods. This first happened in 1910 and continued in different forms through the 20th century. I'm sure "affordable housing for the poor" was the mantra in the 1960s, but the city was already divided and a lot of influential people made sure it stayed that way.

An excerpt from the book "A Chronicle of Twentieth Century Land Controls in Greater Baltimore":



Here is an article that discusses the history of housing policy in Baltimore: https://indyreader.org/content/history-housing-policy-and-segregation-baltimore



I was speaking to the history of Baltimore and how decades of systematic racism can help answer the OPs question about how black Baltimorians can feel social injustices have been done despite having the majority population (70%) in the city. How did the city control it in the past? Laws, housing ordinances, etc.

What does the city of Baltimore do today to control and promote housing segregation? I doubt they do anything as most of the laws and housing ordinances segregating blacks and whites have been eliminated. However, years of economic and social depression is not easily overcome. The problems facing many black communities in Baltimore today are the result of decisions made over the past 100 years.

I haven't said anything about Freddie Gray, protesting, rioting, etc. I'm simply referring to the historical divide, both physical and social, between white and black communities in Baltimore.

I wasn't aware they passed those laws back then. I know Maryland was very close to joining the South during the Civil War, which would explain some of this from the early 20th century.

 

[Irish#1]

" but the city has been more diverse every decade, and now sits at 70% black."

Is 70% really diverse regardless of the ethnic group?

 

[irishff1014]

Did you call the cop in South Carolina an animal? How about the cops who shot the boy in Cleveland? Did you call the cops who choked a man to death in New York or broke a man's back in Baltimore animals? I did not see your colorful language in any of those instances even though those were arguably better examples of acting like animals. No, you reserved the description for a group of black people who are responding to those very things. I am sorry, but I just do not think your explanation is credible. But that is ok you can just simply stop trying to convince me otherwise and we never have to speak of it again.

It is sad what is happening in that city and cities across the country. Fanning the flames with hate speech ----- purposeful or not -- and not trying to understand the perspective of others will only help to ensure that it remains that way. We should just move past this aspect of the conversation and focus on what is actually going on I Baltimore and in other places where terrible treatment of people leads to violence and violent responses.

No actually I called him a stupid mother fucker! That cop is south Carolina was stupid.



I agree that if you constantly keep being told you are worthless after a while you while think you are. I work in a smaller city the Baltimore but we still have the same problems just not on that large of a scale. The police go to those parts of the city because they are called there by other community members. I am not saying that the police going in neighbors hoods with an attitude before they get there. Right or wrong it sets a bad beginning. Blacks need to stop saying all cops are bad and show respect them. Cops need to have more patience with these communities and not puff the chest out so much and the relationships will get better.

 

[irishff1014]

So the O's game will be played tonight, but no fans are allowed to go! Land of the free, 2015...

They wanted the fans to be safe and they didn't want to take resources away from the police department.

 

[Bubbles]

No actually I called him a stupid mother fucker! That cop is south Carolina was stupid.



I agree that if you constantly keep being told you are worthless after a while you while think you are. I work in a smaller city the Baltimore but we still have the same problems just not on that large of a scale. The police go to those parts of the city because they are called there by other community members. I am not saying that the police going in neighbors hoods with an attitude before they get there. Right or wrong it sets a bad beginning. Blacks need to stop saying all cops are bad and show respect them. Cops need to have more patience with these communities and not puff the chest out so much and the relationships will get better.

The cop is far worse than an animal given their primary role in our society, but that does not obviate one's personal responsibility for their actions.

The victim mentality is a one of the worse crimes perpetrated by the haves on the have-nots of our society. On the one hand we have people sitting in their ivory towers decrying the wrongs of the world from afar, acting as enablers for those who are negatively affected by the same. Eventually, when you have heard over and over how much of a victim you have become, you will start to believe it, and worse....believe that there is nothing you can do to better your situation. At that point, believing you are a victim becomes both self-fulfilling and self-serving; nothing you do will better your situation, and no wrong you perpetrate will ever balance the scale.....you will always be a victim. It is a vicious cycle, and it makes me sick.

It's time for us all to take the red pill and make a change.

 

[Bubbles]

Lol...empty stadium.....reminds me of the Orioles games of 5 years ago.

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[ACamp1900]

Watch people drop all kinds of fake outrage on that....

 

[GoIrish41]

I've been struggling with this one. I've heard it a few times since these protests have started. What in the inner city, besides the parenting and guidance of the youth, is keeping young black people from going to college and working there ass off just to have Student LOANS to the ceiling like any other person? My pre-college education wasn't anything near considered good and my parents or I never attempted to set funds aside for my college. All student loans and starting from the bottom to learn a lot of things I should have learned in high school. There's even handouts available for people with low incomes.

There are a lot of reasons for it. I believe Michael Gerson of the Washington Post nailed it when he referred to the soft bigotry of low expectations. Nobody expects these kids to succeed -- parents, siblings, teachers, the communities they live in -- and they, unfortunately usually meet expectations. They also go to bad schools, have few role models who have done it before them, and live in bad neighborhoods full of negative distractions. The ones who do make it are often used as tools to further belittle those with all odds stacked against them. The bussing mess of the 70s was an attempt to level the playing field a little but was understandably a disaster. We have failed these kids as a society and we make it worse by showering them with blame for not keeping pace with their peers and then targeting them more with police, jailing them far more than others, and reminding them as adults how they have failed. What should we expect when they raise their kids in the same shitty neighborhoods, send them to the same underperforming schools and hold them to the same low expectations? The beat goes on.

 

[connor_in]

There are a lot of reasons for it. I believe Michael Gerson of the Washington Post nailed it when he referred to the soft bigotry of low expectations. Nobody expects these kids to succeed -- parents, siblings, teachers, the communities they live in -- and they, unfortunately usually meet expectations. They also go to bad schools, have few role models who have done it before them, and live in bad neighborhoods full of negative distractions. The ones who do make it are often used as tools to further belittle those with all odds stacked against them. The bussing mess of the 70s was an attempt to level the playing field a little but was understandably a disaster. We have failed these kids as a society and we make it worse by showering them with blame for not keeping pace with their peers and then targeting them more with police, jailing them far more than others, and reminding them as adults how they have failed. What should we expect when they raise their kids in the same shitty neighborhoods, send them to the same underperforming schools and hold them to the same low expectations? The beat goes on.

aka Michael Gerson, George W. Bush speechwriter?

 

[GoIrish41]

aka Michael Gerson, George W. Bush speechwriter?

That's the guy. Once in a while a republican will say something profound. Does not happen often but it does happen.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Housing segregation was a byproduct of providing affordable housing for the poor which started in the 60's.

I'm not sure why you think this is the case, housing segregation happened way before that. When the federal government first got involved in housing, in the aftermath of the '29 crash as a way to boost employment, they went around and assessed every square inch of cities and decided to "red-line" the poor areas and then they refused to back loans given to these areas. They were openly racist. Openly. They'd mark the neighborhood down a peg if a single black person moved it, because it was the sign that more would follow and that the neighborhood was at risk.

That happened in the 1930s. Housing segregation is far older than the 1960s. In this country I think it's as soon as blacks got off the boat. They've never been given a fair shake, as a population.

 

[Grahambo]

With all due respect, this bolded statement is completely false as it relates to Baltimore. Baltimore's history of housing segregation dates much earlier than the 1960's and was absolutely meant to divide white and black communities. Baltimore was the first city to segregate, by law, whites and black neighborhoods. This first happened in 1910 and continued in different forms through the 20th century. I'm sure "affordable housing for the poor" was the mantra in the 1960s, but the city was already divided and a lot of influential people made sure it stayed that way.

An excerpt from the book "A Chronicle of Twentieth Century Land Controls in Greater Baltimore":



Here is an article that discusses the history of housing policy in Baltimore: https://indyreader.org/content/history-housing-policy-and-segregation-baltimore



I was speaking to the history of Baltimore and how decades of systematic racism can help answer the OPs question about how black Baltimorians can feel social injustices have been done despite having the majority population (70%) in the city. How did the city control it in the past? Laws, housing ordinances, etc.

What does the city of Baltimore do today to control and promote housing segregation? I doubt they do anything as most of the laws and housing ordinances segregating blacks and whites have been eliminated. However, years of economic and social depression is not easily overcome. The problems facing many black communities in Baltimore today are the result of decisions made over the past 100 years.

I haven't said anything about Freddie Gray, protesting, rioting, etc. I'm simply referring to the historical divide, both physical and social, between white and black communities in Baltimore.

I'm not sure why you think this is the case, housing segregation happened way before that. When the federal government first got involved in housing, in the aftermath of the '29 crash as a way to boost employment, they went around and assessed every square inch of cities and decided to "red-line" the poor areas and then they refused to back loans given to these areas. They were openly racist. Openly. They'd mark the neighborhood down a peg if a single black person moved it, because it was the sign that more would follow and that the neighborhood was at risk.

That happened in the 1930s. Housing segregation is far older than the 1960s. In this country I think it's as soon as blacks got off the boat. They've never been given a fair shake, as a population.

Always love a good history lesson so thanks.

 

[Circa]

For everyone that's put that joint to their lip, for all us white guys thinking we're above the rest.

"Nobody gets paid for that bulls--t, go out and do real police work. If that were to happen, then all at once, the standards for what constitutes a worthy arrest in Baltimore would significantly improve," Simon said.

Read more: The Wire's David Simon has a solution to Baltimore's problems: 'End the f***ing drug war' - Business Insider

Open your fucking mind!

 

[kmoose]

For everyone that's put that joint to their lip, for all us white guys thinking we're above the rest.

"Nobody gets paid for that bulls--t, go out and do real police work. If that were to happen, then all at once, the standards for what constitutes a worthy arrest in Baltimore would significantly improve," Simon said.

Read more: The Wire's David Simon has a solution to Baltimore's problems: 'End the f***ing drug war' - Business Insider

Open your fucking mind!

Yeah, that guy's not helping any. He is just building in excuses for people not to try to get out of the rut.