Police State USA

[Blazers46]

Too lenient, we need a strong deterrent. Need capital punishment reinstated in all states for certain crimes and enforced. Only half the states still have it on the books, and among those only 12 states have done an execution in the last 10 years, mostly in the south. We've actually seen the executions numbers dip since 2016, we went from ~35 a year to ~25 a year and then just 11 in 2021. We're on track for the same in 2022 with 6 through June. I'm of the opinion if you shoot two police officers and the evidence is rock solid...go directly to see your maker. No need to be a drain on the public's coffers for dozens of years or the rest of your life rotting in jail.

So somebody might be deterred from committing a heinous murder if they think they will be executed vs spending the rest of their life in jail with no parole?

Sorry. Can’t buy it. Evil people will still do evil things regardless of capital punishment.

Increasing punishments statistically has little affect on deterrence.

 

[NorthDakota]

Increasing punishments statistically has little affect on deterrence.

I'm fine with long sentences for bad crimes. Not for deterrence purposes, just for the sake of keeping society clear of bad people. I'm not a fan of capital punishment, I dont see any deterrent value in it that isn't equally accomplished with a tough sentence.

I think the data shows the biggest deterrent is fear of getting caught...paired with punishment that is more than a slap on the wrist.

 

[Blazers46]

I'm fine with long sentences for bad crimes. Not for deterrence purposes, just for the sake of keeping society clear of bad people. I'm not a fan of capital punishment, I dont see any deterrent value in it that isn't equally accomplished with a tough sentence.

I think the data shows the biggest deterrent is fear of getting caught...paired with punishment that is more than a slap on the wrist.

Fo Sho!!

 

[GATTACA!]

I'm fine with long sentences for bad crimes. Not for deterrence purposes, just for the sake of keeping society clear of bad people. I'm not a fan of capital punishment, I dont see any deterrent value in it that isn't equally accomplished with a tough sentence.

I think the data shows the biggest deterrent is fear of getting caught...paired with punishment that is more than a slap on the wrist.

Life should mean life, or damn near it.

Nothing more infuriating than reading about someone that was found guilty of a horrific crime, sentenced to life, and then paroled after 15 years.

 

[NorthDakota]

Life should mean life, or damn near it.

Nothing more infuriating than reading about someone that was found guilty of a horrific crime, sentenced to life, and then paroled after 15 years.

I dont follow closely enough to see when that happens. I do believe people should have parole opportunities (particularly younger folks) if only because I believe people can be reformed.

Problem is... I'm only 30 and have no idea how to implement that sort of thinking. So its troublesome.

 

[Blazers46]

I dont follow closely enough to see when that happens. I do believe people should have parole opportunities (particularly younger folks) if only because I believe people can be reformed.

Problem is... I'm only 30 and have no idea how to implement that sort of thinking. So its troublesome.

I will add that its pretty evident where I live now that bail reform and NMs push to "reform" non-violent offenders has made NM an awful place to live. Local paper just posted a list of guys that have 20+ open counts of burglary and car theft and things of that nature that are roaming the streets as we speak.

 

[irishff1014]

Baltimore City had a paramedic unit attacked and an officer was hit and dragged two blocks. #shitholecity

 

[ACamp1900]

I have a niece and two nephews ( all African American if it matters) in Baltimore and yeah,… don’t get me started on what’s going on there and how it endangers them the most

 

[ulukinatme]

Increasing punishments statistically has little affect on deterrence.

Maybe, but what purpose does it serve for some homicide perpetrators to stay in prison for the rest of their lives without parole? They're not getting out, they're just a drain on the taxpayers. Seems like a rather pointless punishment and the criminal gets to live on (Sometimes a bit too comfortably) while their victim(s) do not.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Maybe, but what purpose does it serve for some homicide perpetrators to stay in prison for the rest of their lives without parole? They're not getting out, they're just a drain on the taxpayers. Seems like a rather pointless punishment and the criminal gets to live on (Sometimes a bit too comfortably) while their victim(s) do not.

Costs more taxpayer dollars for a capital punishment conviction than it does to sentence someone to life without parole.

 

[ulukinatme]

Costs more taxpayer dollars for a capital punishment conviction than it does to sentence someone to life without parole.

I've seen that statement before, but never any concrete data to back it up. I assume we're talking the legal fees to fight the charge, but if the evidence is bullet proof I say there's no reason to tie up the system. That aside, and depending on the age and life expectancy of the criminal, I'd have a hard time believing it's cheaper to keep them alive when you factor in food, utilities, medical needs, clothes, miscellaneous prison expenses like additional guard salaries, etc.

 

[drayer54]

Baltimore City had a paramedic unit attacked and an officer was hit and dragged two blocks. #shitholecity

Why did Republicans allow this to happen?

 

[ACamp1900]

Just a random thought so bare with me: With DNA evidence making things much more cut and dry,… maybe a reform bill where you aren’t allowed twenty years of appeals,… if you’re found guilty you are allowed one simple appeal, quick. Easy.

Because as someone who has lost two people close to them to violent murders, where both murderers swore they didn’t do it in court only to admit to it after the fact I’d still, to this day, pull the switch on either for what they put my friends and family through and celebrate with a beer after . Full honesty

 

[INLaw]

Just a random thought so bare with me: With DNA evidence making things much more cut and fry,… maybe a reform bill where you aren’t allowed twenty years of appeals,… if you’re found guilty you are allowed one simple appeal, quick. Easy.

Because as someone who has lost two people close to them to violent murders, where both murderers swore they didn’t do it in court only to admit to it after the fact I’d still, to this day, pull the switch on either for what they put my friends and family through and celebrate with a beer after . Full honesty

Cut and FRY, Freudian slip?

 

[ACamp1900]

Cut and FRY, Freudian slip?

Nice catch and no,… more a typo or auto correct striking

 

[INLaw]

Nice catch and no,… more a typo or auto correct striking

I had a similar situation in my family growing up and the every so many years they had to go to parole hearings and get all upset again was agonizing.

 

[GATTACA!]

Just a random thought so bare with me: With DNA evidence making things much more cut and dry,… maybe a reform bill where you aren’t allowed twenty years of appeals,… if you’re found guilty you are allowed one simple appeal, quick. Easy.

Because as someone who has lost two people close to them to violent murders, where both murderers swore they didn’t do it in court only to admit to it after the fact I’d still, to this day, pull the switch on either for what they put my friends and family through and celebrate with a beer after . Full honesty

There should be another bar you can clear in 1st degree murder cases. If you're found guilty beyond reasonable doubt things go per usual, but if you're found guilty beyond ALL doubt (caught red handed: video footage, DNA, witnesses, caught int he act) you go straight to the chair.

 

[GATTACA!]

I've seen that statement before, but never any concrete data to back it up. I assume we're talking the legal fees to fight the charge, but if the evidence is bullet proof I say there's no reason to tie up the system. That aside, and depending on the age and life expectancy of the criminal, I'd have a hard time believing it's cheaper to keep them alive when you factor in food, utilities, medical needs, clothes, miscellaneous prison expenses like additional guard salaries, etc.

It's legal fees from the countless appeals and experts death penalty cases require. Also the actual drugs they use for lethal injections are ridiculously expensive. I've heard people explain it's because no pharma company will allow their drugs to be used in executions. So instead of just using like $200 worth of fentanyl or something they have to use some weird exotic blend of shit.

 

[ulukinatme]

It's legal fees from the countless appeals and experts death penalty cases require. Also the actual drugs they use for lethal injections are ridiculously expensive. I've heard people explain it's because no pharma company will allow their drugs to be used in executions. So instead of just using like $200 worth of fentanyl or something they have to use some weird exotic blend of shit.

The drugs themselves are expensive, but a drop in the bucket it seems to the legal costs and death row expenses. Arizona two years ago bought a large batch of chems at $1.5 million for a supply. The chemicals go for $1,500 a gram and they are required to use 5 grams per execution. Not cheap, but certainly not the budget killer.

The problem is the appeals process and accompanying forensic evidence testing it seems. Some states will carry out appeals for 20 years or more, and for these kind of trials they stipulate that the litigators have to be seasoned which means expensive. They also require additional lawyers over traditional trials, adding to the costs with each appeal. Meanwhile these death row inmates are in separate blocks in individual cells with added security, all additional costs. One man that had his sentence commuted to life in prison said moving from death row to gen pop was worse than death. Not only are the accommodations worse, but you stand the chance of being raped, stabbed, or worse.

All this says to me is the system is inefficient and bogged down by bureaucratic bullshit. If the evidence is damning I say grant one possible appeal and that's it. If you've got conclusive video & DNA there shouldn't be a need to tie up the system for years.

 

[irishff1014]

Why did Republicans allow this to happen?

Way to much left over there.

 

[irishff1014]

2 more cops shot tonight in Alabama.

 

[Irish#1]

The drugs themselves are expensive, but a drop in the bucket it seems to the legal costs and death row expenses. Arizona two years ago bought a large batch of chems at $1.5 million for a supply. The chemicals go for $1,500 a gram and they are required to use 5 grams per execution. Not cheap, but certainly not the budget killer.

The problem is the appeals process and accompanying forensic evidence testing it seems. Some states will carry out appeals for 20 years or more, and for these kind of trials they stipulate that the litigators have to be seasoned which means expensive. They also require additional lawyers over traditional trials, adding to the costs with each appeal. Meanwhile these death row inmates are in separate blocks in individual cells with added security, all additional costs. One man that had his sentence commuted to life in prison said moving from death row to gen pop was worse than death. Not only are the accommodations worse, but you stand the chance of being raped, stabbed, or worse.

All this says to me is the system is inefficient and bogged down by bureaucratic bullshit. If the evidence is damning I say grant one possible appeal and that's it. If you've got conclusive video & DNA there shouldn't be a need to tie up the system for years.

When I was younger, I was all for the death penalty. Now I lean a little more toward life in prison. Let them be miserable for the rest of their life. Especially if they are confined to their cell for the majority of their day. Serial killers? Straight to the chair.

 

[Irish#1]

2 more cops shot tonight in Alabama.

Stole a car and led police on a chase. Dude has 72 criminal charges since 2012 and just got out in April. Condition of the officers unknown at the moment.

Sheriff's deputy dies following shooting that triggered overnight manhunt

A man accused of shooting two Alabama sheriff's deputies has been arrested after an overnight manhunt, authorities said.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Irish#1]

Baltimore City had a paramedic unit attacked and an officer was hit and dragged two blocks. #shitholecity

Dude was pulled over for a traffic stop. I'm guessing he took off because he was carrying and he is a suspect in a homicide. Officer is in fair condition per this article.

Police: Man arrested hours after allegedly dragging and badly injuring Baltimore police officer during traffic stop

Baltimore Police arrested Joseph Black late Wednesday morning, about half a day after officials alleged he accelerated his vehicle while engaged with a Baltimore police sergeant during a traffic st…

www.baltimoresun.com

 

[Rockin’Irish]

2 more cops shot tonight in Alabama.

Yep, the dude was caught this morning……he has over 4 dozen charges on his record but was still out on the streets. People are not held responsible for their actions and this is another result.

 

[ACamp1900]

When I was younger, I was all for the death penalty. Now I lean a little more toward life in prison. Let them be miserable for the rest of their life. Especially if they are confined to their cell for the majority of their day. Serial killers? Straight to the chair.

My father ran a maintanice crew for a prison before he passed. The inmates had cable tvs in their cells, and custom menus for meal time… they’d demand shit all the time and get what they wanted 9/10. It drove my father crazy,…

 

[Blazers46]

My father ran a maintanice crew for a prison before he passed. The inmates had cable tvs in their cells, and custom menus for meal time… they’d demand shit all the time and get what they wanted 9/10. It drove my father crazy,…

Yeah. I’ve been in prisons where it’s just one big bro fest. They allowed them 3 sets of their own clothing, a community snack cabinet, even had their own kitchen and gym on their pod.

 

[GATTACA!]

My father ran a maintanice crew for a prison before he passed. The inmates had cable tvs in their cells, and custom menus for meal time… they’d demand shit all the time and get what they wanted 9/10. It drove my father crazy,…

Too bad it’s not 10/10

 

[Rockin’Irish]

My father ran a maintanice crew for a prison before he passed. The inmates had cable tvs in their cells, and custom menus for meal time… they’d demand shit all the time and get what they wanted 9/10. It drove my father crazy,…

They certainly get better treatment than their victims received.

 

[Bishop2b5]

2 more cops shot tonight in Alabama.

A friend who is close to the family posted that one of the deputies was shot in the head, is showing little brain activity, and, barring a miracle, expected to be removed from life support later today.