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[InKellyWeTrust]

Wouldn't it be something if VT pulls out the most ridiculous upset this weekend, and Miami wins? Does the ACC immediately cancel Miami's other two games scheduled so they can play ND in the ACCCG?

I think they should just tell Miami, "Sorry, we still don't think you're good enough but thanks for playing."

 

[GATTACA!]

BYU replacing liberty as Costal Carolina’s opponent this week. Two 9-0 teams match up setting up a nice #13 vs 18 contest. Probably not enough for playoff consideration, but could help the winner ensure a major bowl.

Either way it's a better win than any OSU will have.

No italics.

 

[calvegas04]

ESPN this morning saying if ND loses to Clem in the ACCCG then we are out

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

ESPN this morning saying if ND loses to Clem in the ACCCG then we are out

I don't see how they can claim that when nearly everyone else is saying outside a Florida win over Bama we are a near lock. Who makes it instead? Cincy - no, Pac 12- no, TAMU - no. Whose resume would stack up to ND's?

 

[phillyirish]

Only way we’re out is if we get absolutely shellacked. Personally, is we drop the game 42-14 I wouldn’t even want us in the playoffs anyway. But it’s irrelevant, because it will be a close game either way.

 

[Irishize]

Only way we’re out is if we get absolutely shellacked. Personally, is we drop the game 42-14 I wouldn’t even want us in the playoffs anyway. But it’s irrelevant, because it will be a close game either way.

I agree. If the game is deemed as competitive by the powers that be then I see no problem.

If ND shits the bed & gets embarrassed then we can’t complain & while we can always look back fondly on the win over Clemson at ND Stadium, the narrative will be (fair or not) that the only reason ND won was b/c Clemson was missing their generational QB & key players on defense. Doesn’t matter what we all think/know/etc...that will be the perspective from the general population.

 

[RDU Irish]

I think us winning creates a bigger challenge than us losing. 2 loss Clemson gets snubbed and opens door for some of these other yahoos. ND/Clemson/Bama/ +1 is what everyone wants to see.

ND loss - #1Bama vs #4 ND and #2 Clemson vs #3 (don't care who).

ND win - #1Bama vs #4??, #2 ND vs #3??

First scenario pays nicely - second one gets ugly if OSU isn't in there. Florida maybe? Cincinati is a ratings disaster slightly worse than BYU.... Outside of Bama/OSU, ND/UF I don't think they have a desirable solution to ND winning the ACC.

150% expect some serious ACC reffing hijinks for the record.

 

[ab2cmiller]

ESPN this morning saying if ND loses to Clem in the ACCCG then we are out

Makes perfect sense, canceling Wake Forest means we won't have a 12th data point.

 

[phork]

OSU will be in and I would love a 2vs3 in the Rosebowl vs them. Its going to be hard to beat Clemson again, regardless of Lawerence and the defensive guys back, because its just hard to beat a team 2 times in the same season.
I think we all suffer from ND Syndrome, which is hope for the best but always expect the worst. At some point that has to change, and I'll be the first in line to say I expect ND to beat Clemson again.

And the worst part about it all is the whole country says "see its just the same old over rated ND" if we lose, even by 1.

 

[Old Man Mike]

That idea that the ACC might cancel the championship game and simply crown ND is doubly interesting because it is the main way that CLEMSON would get into the playoffs alongside ND. Then BAMA makes three and you are looking for one more. If no B1G (i.e. no OSU) then the playoffs might be ND, Clemson, BAMA, and CINCY?

Semi-finals: BAMA vs CLEMSON, and ND VS CINCY. --- hey, it's my story I'm typing here.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

That idea that the ACC might cancel the championship game and simply crown ND is doubly interesting because it is the main way that CLEMSON would get into the playoffs alongside ND. Then BAMA makes three and you are looking for one more. If no B1G (i.e. no OSU) then the playoffs might be ND, Clemson, BAMA, and CINCY?

Semi-finals: BAMA vs CLEMSON, and ND VS CINCY. --- hey, it's my story I'm typing here.

Can you imagine if Clemson pulls the plug on that game?

 

[Irishize]

OSU will be in and I would love a 2vs3 in the Rosebowl vs them. Its going to be hard to beat Clemson again, regardless of Lawerence and the defensive guys back, because its just hard to beat a team 2 times in the same season.
I think we all suffer from ND Syndrome, which is hope for the best but always expect the worst. At some point that has to change, and I'll be the first in line to say I expect ND to beat Clemson again.

And the worst part about it all is the whole country says "see its just the same old over rated ND" if we lose, even by 1.

Agreed for most part except your last statement. If it’s that close of a loss, majority of America will tip their collective hats to ND. Anything more than 9-10+ points starts to lose national respect IMO unless it’s some crazy fluky score at the end to make the game look less closer than it was.

If you listen to ND pods, they all seem pretty confident that ND won’t get blown out and will make the CFP w/ a 10-1 record. They, of course; differ from fans in that they don’t factor in “ND is due to lay an egg” or “nothing would be more 2020 than for ND fans to be this ecstatic about a signature win over #1 Clemson only to see it all erased by a blowout in rematch”. Remember fan is short for fanatic.

 

[RDU Irish]

That idea that the ACC might cancel the championship game and simply crown ND is doubly interesting because it is the main way that CLEMSON would get into the playoffs alongside ND. Then BAMA makes three and you are looking for one more. If no B1G (i.e. no OSU) then the playoffs might be ND, Clemson, BAMA, and CINCY?

Semi-finals: BAMA vs CLEMSON, and ND VS CINCY. --- hey, it's my story I'm typing here.

Brilliant - cancel the title game under guise of COVID and with the logic of already a clear ACC champ to secure two playoff spots. $$ value of CFPx2 vs CCG + 1 CFP. Extra tinfoil points if you collude to put ND/Clemson at 2vs3 to get your rematch AND guarantee a spot in the finals for the ACC. And ND can talk tough and blame the ACC for denying the CCG - just like the Scrappy Doo "lemme at em, etc"

I want more football so I don't really "want" this to happen but I definitely wouldn't mind it either.

 

[Wingman Ray]

What sucks is we have to play a top 4 team not once, not twice but three times in the same season. That is flippin insane!

OSU plays no one top 10 and Bama plays what, one team top 10? Frickin IU???

Can anyone say GA is a top 10 team this year? Bama smoked A+M but seriously, top 4 team 3 times in one season?

 

[phillyirish]

OSU vs MSU game is on for tomorrow. OSU refuses to release the number of players out due to covid. Dream scenario is they play significantly short handed and get upset tomorrow.

 

[NDdomer2]

I think it was discussed elsewhere but if no ACCCG they likely put ND Clemson 2/3 for the rematch right out the gate.

 

[phillyirish]

I think it was discussed elsewhere but if no ACCCG they likely put ND Clemson 2/3 for the rematch right out the gate.

That’s where it stands now. The surprising, but not outlandish thing would be if Bama lost to Florida, then they’d probably put ND/Clemson #1/4.

Got me thinking. If Clemson beats us, and Florida beats Bama, there’s now way the committee could put two Potential rematches out there For the playoffs, so we’d probably be left out. They could maybe try #1 Clemson vs #4 Bama and #2 Florida vs #3 ND, which I would take all day but I think there would be too much backlash.

 

[Blaise]

That’s where it stands now. The surprising, but not outlandish thing would be if Bama lost to Florida, then they’d probably put ND/Clemson #1/4.

Got me thinking. If Clemson beats us, and Florida beats Bama, there’s now way the committee could put two Potential rematches out there For the playoffs, so we’d probably be left out. They could maybe try #1 Clemson vs #4 Bama and #2 Florida vs #3 ND, which I would take all day but I think there would be too much backlash.

Backlash from who? Only the Big ten would complain.. Pac and Big 12 have zero shot so it doesn't matter who gets in.. OSU would be the only team getting "screwed"

If Clemson beats ND in a good game and Florida beats Bama.. I 100% believe this would be the 4 teams in the playoffs

 

[IrishSteelhead]

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Backlash from who? Only the Big ten would complain.. Pac and Big 12 have zero shot so it doesn't matter who gets in.. OSU would be the only team getting "screwed"

If Clemson beats ND in a good game and Florida beats Bama.. I 100% believe this would be the 4 teams in the playoffs

Exactly. Heaven forbid the men who played an entire season from the beginning get rewarded with a post season, while the boys who hid in a bunker until they saw the coast was (somewhat) clear before coming out to play, go back to their bunker.


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[Blaise]

Exactly. Heaven forbid the men who played an entire season from the beginning get rewarded with a post season, while the boys who hid in a bunker until they saw the coast was (somewhat) clear before coming out to play, go back to their bunker.


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Exactly... Plus even if OSU wins out.. They are 7-0 with the Big 10 title and most likely have 0 wins over a top 15 team.... ND would be 9-1 with a win over a top 4 team and a possible top 15 team in NC

Take away the Big ten title from OSU where they don't play next week, and I don't see any case anyone could make with keeping ND out

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Exactly... Plus even if OSU wins out.. They are 7-0 with the Big 10 title and most likely have 0 wins over a top 15 team.... ND would be 9-1 with a win over a top 4 team and a possible top 15 team in NC

Take away the Big ten title from OSU where they don't play next week, and I don't see any case anyone could make with keeping ND out

The committee will move mountains to include OSU in the playoffs. If we lose, OSU wins out and Florida wins I would bet a large sum of money we are out.

 

[MNIrishman]

The committee will move mountains to include OSU in the playoffs. If we lose, OSU wins out and Florida wins I would bet a large sum of money we are out.

If we're out and OSU, we should put a bye week between every one of our games in the future and only play six games. Clearly the regular season means nothing if we're awarding season-concluding achievements based on a typical September's games. So let's run up the score a bit, make our team look amazing against bad teams, and wait for the playoff spots to roll in.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

If we're out and OSU, we should put a bye week between every one of our games in the future and only play six games. Clearly the regular season means nothing if we're awarding season-concluding achievements based on a typical September's games. So let's run up the score a bit, make our team look amazing against bad teams, and wait for the playoff spots to roll in.

I don't disagree. Its just my opinion on what would happen not what should happen.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

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I dont get the Playoff Picks from ESPNs panel:

As you can see, lots of people have ND-Clemson 2 and 3. I dont see how thats possible:

A) ND beats Clemson in CCG: Clemson would be out right?
B) Clemson beats ND in CCG: Clemson would be ranked higher than ND at the very least right?

What am I missing?


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[IrishLax]

Most likely, if Clemson beats Notre Dame, then Notre Dame would drop to #4 to avoid a rematch with Clemson in the first round. They would play Bama, Clemson would play Ohio State.

If Notre Dame beats Clemson again, I could see them keeping Clemson 4 over A&M and having them play Bama in the first round while ND plays Ohio State.

 

[ThePiombino]

Most likely, if Clemson beats Notre Dame, then Notre Dame would drop to #4 to avoid a rematch with Clemson in the first round. They would play Bama, Clemson would play Ohio State.

If Notre Dame beats Clemson again, I could see them keeping Clemson 4 over A&M and having them play Bama in the first round while ND plays Ohio State.

I can't imagine Clemson losing to ND twice and being allowed in (though I would vote them in over an undefeated OSU, because fuck the B1G). If ever there was a year when a G5 team got it, this is it. I'd do something like this.

If Bama SEC champ:
1) Bama
2) ND
3) A&M
4) Cinco

If UF SEC champ:
1) ND
2) UF
3) Bama*
4) Cinci*

* Since we all know the committee will go out of their way to avoid an SECCG rematch, they would likely swap Bama and Cinci.

The wild card in both scenarios is how the committee feels about a 2-loss OU (assuming they win the rematch against ISU). But then again, by that logic, a two loss Clemson would have a better resume than a two loss OU by far.

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[IrishSteelhead]

Most likely, if Clemson beats Notre Dame, then Notre Dame would drop to #4 to avoid a rematch with Clemson in the first round. They would play Bama, Clemson would play Ohio State.

If Notre Dame beats Clemson again, I could see them keeping Clemson 4 over A&M and having them play Bama in the first round while ND plays Ohio State.

You are correct.

Why do they all have it 2-3 though? It is literally an impossible scenario. Makes absolutely no sense.


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[NDShark]

I see you David Hale

 

[phork]

You are correct.

Why do they all have it 2-3 though? It is literally an impossible scenario. Makes absolutely no sense.


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It's a snapshot of today. As in who are the 4 best teams right now if the season ended.

 

[GATTACA!]

You are correct.

Why do they all have it 2-3 though? It is literally an impossible scenario. Makes absolutely no sense.


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Seems to be a projection as it stands.