Ohio State is the only team that can stand up to these southern football factories

[T-Boone]

I'd make Texas my second team. Great city, ND has no beef with the school (that I know of), probably going to have a good run soon.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Ohio State is the only team that can stand up to these southern football factories

OP, you cant just decide to do this without meeting a few pre-requisites:

Do you....

-have the ability to grow a goatee (one that connects completely, no wisps)?
-own cargo shorts?
-wear Oakleys with Croakies?
-have a persecution complex?
-Drink Coors Light, and it gets you in a fighting mood with fans of teams that visit The Horseshoe, minding their own business?
-Engage in acts of jock sniffing/hero worship?
-Refer to Day as COACH, and Fields as JUSTIN, like you have some personal connection to them?
-have the a degree from any of the 100 OTHER schools in Ohio?

If you answered yes to at least half of these, you may qualify for compensation, in the form of rooting for Ohio State.


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[Bishop2b5]

I have decided to adopt Alabama and clemson as my second and third teams, respectively.

Welcome to the family, my brother! We'll send you a jersey and list of the best BBQ joints across the region and you'll soon find that your car gets better mileage, cops just laugh and wave you on when you speed, and women can't resist throwing their underwear at you. Saturdays are a lot of fun, too. It's a good life. Oh, and Roll Tide!

 

[Black Irish]

The only thing Ohio State does differently than the schools you mention is operate in the Big Ten. If all you care about is location, just say it. But to pretend that OSU doesn't sell out for football like Clenson or Alabama is miss calculation on your part.

I've never heard of Miss Calculation. Is she hot?

 

[Irish YJ]

If you're going to adopt a second or third team, you need to do what I did. Adopt someone that's underprivileged, struggling, and has little to no chance of ever competing with the big boys. That way, you feel better about your #1 team.





Go IU and Vols lol. And a little love to Ball State and AZ State.

 

[IrishLax]

Well sure. That's the point of the thread. Ohio State is the only team that can stand up to the southern juggernauts. The only team NOT in the south to win a championship since I can remember. And they happen to be in the midwest.

They are like this one lone beacon of strength and hope that is defying the southern football factories. Am I slightly drunk? Sure, but I'm I'm just trying to stay positive and funny and grasping at something!

I live in the south and it's all I hear. I almost got into a fight with a bama fan last night. When I told him bama football was the only thing keeping him content in his trailer, it escalated quickly.

Here’s the rub — ND absolutely COULD HAVE DONE what Ohio State does but electively chose to go the opposite route under Monk Molloy many years ago. There are virtually no similarities between ND and Ohio State save for the fact that they are located in the “Midwest.”

While Monk is long gone and ND has since pivoted back towards emphasizing success... they are only willing to do so within a framework that allows them to meet purity tests set by academic hardliners within the administration. ND you are not going to flip a switch and make South Bend a real city like Columbus; a large state school full of sororities and sluts; easy athletic majors where players don’t have to work if they don’t want to; etc. Ohio State recruits like a top SEC school because their entire operation is structured that way AND there is enough talent in Ohio to support them with a spattering of national recruits.

The best ND could hope for is a titanic shift in how the administration lets ND recruit + starting to outright cheat to buy top rated skill position players like everyone else does. Neither of which is likely to happen. But there is a 0.0% chance of ND being run like anything close to what Ohio State is.

 

[OCIrish]

Thank you for this Lax^^^^^ I was too tired last night to spell it out for the misguided OP.

 

[Huntr]

Ohio State is the only team that can stand up to these southern football factories

I think I'm going to adopt them as my other football team.

 

[Irishize]

Here’s the rub — ND absolutely COULD HAVE DONE what Ohio State does but electively chose to go the opposite route under Monk Molloy many years ago. There are virtually no similarities between ND and Ohio State save for the fact that they are located in the “Midwest.”

While Monk is long gone and ND has since pivoted back towards emphasizing success... they are only willing to do so within a framework that allows them to meet purity tests set by academic hardliners within the administration. ND you are not going to flip a switch and make South Bend a real city like Columbus; a large state school full of sororities and sluts; easy athletic majors where players don’t have to work if they don’t want to; etc. Ohio State recruits like a top SEC school because their entire operation is structured that way AND there is enough talent in Ohio to support them with a spattering of national recruits.

The best ND could hope for is a titanic shift in how the administration lets ND recruit + starting to outright cheat to buy top rated skill position players like everyone else does. Neither of which is likely to happen. But there is a 0.0% chance of ND being run like anything close to what Ohio State is.

Agreed 100%. I would add that there’s some things unrelated to academics ND should already be doing:

They have Rees, Kearney & Peloquin analyzing the thousands of recruits around the nations. They’re great but can’t possibly compete w/ the THIRTY qualified analysts Saban has on staff doing the same thing.

Why can’t ND make recruiting travel more efficient for their asssistants? Do they really sometimes fly commercial for a cross-country recruiting visit? In other words, they have to deal w/ traffic, parking, baggage check, security check, delays, missed connections before even considering the time away from family. Wouldn’t access to a private jet improve both efficiency & work/life balance? If you’re looking at employers, that’s a huge perk.

That’s only two suggestions that wouldn’t required the university to bend on their academic rigors. We know they have the money (isn’t the endowment in the billions?), so what gives? Is the administration that worried about the outside perception of football > Notre Dame mission? The University of Notre Dame is a small Catholic school in a rust-belt town in nowhere, IN that offers an elite education that probably only appeals to a region of the US were it not for its historic football program. They should fuel the engine that drives it’s worldwide success while still being proud of how it operates as place for elite higher learning.

 

[tussin]

Here’s the rub — ND absolutely COULD HAVE DONE what Ohio State does but electively chose to go the opposite route under Monk Molloy many years ago. There are virtually no similarities between ND and Ohio State save for the fact that they are located in the “Midwest.”

While Monk is long gone and ND has since pivoted back towards emphasizing success... they are only willing to do so within a framework that allows them to meet purity tests set by academic hardliners within the administration. ND you are not going to flip a switch and make South Bend a real city like Columbus; a large state school full of sororities and sluts; easy athletic majors where players don’t have to work if they don’t want to; etc. Ohio State recruits like a top SEC school because their entire operation is structured that way AND there is enough talent in Ohio to support them with a spattering of national recruits.

The best ND could hope for is a titanic shift in how the administration lets ND recruit + starting to outright cheat to buy top rated skill position players like everyone else does. Neither of which is likely to happen. But there is a 0.0% chance of ND being run like anything close to what Ohio State is.

Did ND "cheat" under Holtz when it came to recruiting or is it simply an admissions standard thing?

There's always been the view here that ND recruiting needs to get back to where it was under Holtz, and it's not clear if that's possible with changes in academic standards (do-able I suppose) or if it would require the titanic shift you speak of above.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Firstly, agree 100% LAX

Secondly, just also accept ND recruiting isnt like it used to be back in our father's day.

I remember stories from my father that if you were Catholic and had football skills, you received significant pressure from the church to attend ND. My father had a friend who was in this boat and actually wanted to go to another school and the family received quite a bit of grief until he complied. As a result, ND got a crap ton of players that they could take at their disposal.

That clearly isnt the case anymore.

I think we have to ask ourselves why we love ND. Is it because of the past athletic success or what ND stands for which is integrity and doing it the right way. Because if you the latter isnt the reason for your love, then you are probably following the wrong school and you need to take the former fixation and apply it to a team like Bama or OSU.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Here’s the rub — ND absolutely COULD HAVE DONE what Ohio State does but electively chose to go the opposite route under Monk Molloy many years ago. There are virtually no similarities between ND and Ohio State save for the fact that they are located in the “Midwest.”

While Monk is long gone and ND has since pivoted back towards emphasizing success... they are only willing to do so within a framework that allows them to meet purity tests set by academic hardliners within the administration. ND you are not going to flip a switch and make South Bend a real city like Columbus; a large state school full of sororities and sluts; easy athletic majors where players don’t have to work if they don’t want to; etc. Ohio State recruits like a top SEC school because their entire operation is structured that way AND there is enough talent in Ohio to support them with a spattering of national recruits.

The best ND could hope for is a titanic shift in how the administration lets ND recruit + starting to outright cheat to buy top rated skill position players like everyone else does. Neither of which is likely to happen. But there is a 0.0% chance of ND being run like anything close to what Ohio State is.

My thoughts from this can be distilled down into this:

Monk Malloy did destroy ND football.

Sorority sluts do intrigue me.

Everybody cheats except for ND. Got it.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Firstly, agree 100% LAX

Secondly, just also accept ND recruiting isnt like it used to be back in our father's day.

I remember stories from my father that if you were Catholic and had football skills, you received significant pressure from the church to attend ND. My father had a friend who was in this boat and actually wanted to go to another school and the family received quite a bit of grief until he complied. As a result, ND got a crap ton of players that they could take at their disposal.

That clearly isnt the case anymore.

I think we have to ask ourselves why we love ND. Is it because of the past athletic success or what ND stands for which is integrity and doing it the right way. Because if you the latter isnt the reason for your love, then you are probably following the wrong school and you need to take the former fixation and apply it to a team like Bama or OSU.

Most fans are subway fans who grew up watching them. Why do YOU think they are fans? It's not because of the Grotto.

 

[Wingman Ray]

My thoughts from this can be distilled down into this:

Monk Malloy did destroy ND football.

Sorority sluts do intrigue me.

Everybody cheats except for ND. Got it.

Im going to go out on a limb and say Sea Turtle, you would be much happier being a Bama or OSU fan. Dont think the ND road is for you.

Just sayin

 

[Sea Turtle]

Did ND "cheat" under Holtz when it came to recruiting or is it simply an admissions standard thing?

There's always been the view here that ND recruiting needs to get back to where it was under Holtz, and it's not clear if that's possible with changes in academic standards (do-able I suppose) or if it would require the titanic shift you speak of above.

They weren't cheating under Holtz. Everything was fine but Malloy and some others couldn't stomach having a great football program so they changed everything to make it impossible to win. Holtz literally left ND to go coach South Carolina a couple of years after leaving.

South Carolina

 

[GATTACA!]

Here’s the rub — ND absolutely COULD HAVE DONE what Ohio State does but electively chose to go the opposite route under Monk Molloy many years ago. There are virtually no similarities between ND and Ohio State save for the fact that they are located in the “Midwest.”

While Monk is long gone and ND has since pivoted back towards emphasizing success... they are only willing to do so within a framework that allows them to meet purity tests set by academic hardliners within the administration. ND you are not going to flip a switch and make South Bend a real city like Columbus; a large state school full of sororities and sluts; easy athletic majors where players don’t have to work if they don’t want to; etc. Ohio State recruits like a top SEC school because their entire operation is structured that way AND there is enough talent in Ohio to support them with a spattering of national recruits.

The best ND could hope for is a titanic shift in how the administration lets ND recruit + starting to outright cheat to buy top rated skill position players like everyone else does. Neither of which is likely to happen. But there is a 0.0% chance of ND being run like anything close to what Ohio State is.

Well now I'm thinking Sea Turtle may have a point.

 

[Irish YJ]

Well now I'm thinking Sea Turtle may have a point.

Yes, pretty solid point.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Im going to go out on a limb and say Sea Turtle, you would be much happier being a Bama or OSU fan. Dont think the ND road is for you.

Just sayin

I've been a Notre Dame football fan for decades. That's not going to change.

But I'm not going to be self righteous and accuse everyone else of cheating because we can't compete with the best. If ND wants to handicap themselves to prove how badass they are on academics, that's on them. Not the rest of CFB.

 

[IrishLax]

My thoughts from this can be distilled down into this:

Monk Malloy did destroy ND football.

Sorority sluts do intrigue me.

Everybody cheats except for ND. Got it.

Let's be clear, ND isn't squeaky clean. But they don't do what some other schools are willing to do (re: bidding wars, job hookups for family, etc.) when chasing certain players. Some stories from ND recruits of what they were offered by other schools is nuts.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Let's be clear, ND isn't squeaky clean. But they don't do what some other schools are willing to do (re: bidding wars, job hookups for family, etc.) when chasing certain players. Some stories from ND recruits of what they were offered by other schools is nuts.

I'm sure there are some crazy stories no doubt. And we shouldn't be pursuing guys with their hands out or their 'handlers'.

 

[NWIrish]

...and yet, despite all this recruiting angst, we were ONE top shelf CB and 2 injured WRs away from legit being on Bama's level. And that's with Book, who can't make all the throws.

 

[Blazers46]

Just when we all thought 2020 was crazy... we get 2 days into 2021 and someone posts this thread.

 

[NWIrish]

Does anyone think that if we had Surtain in place of Lewis defending Smith all game and Austin and Lenzy 100% healthy, that game wouldn't have looked totally different? Without that, it is true, we'd have had to probably catch 5 out of 5 50/50 deep balls to be in it. But, with it, I think we beat Bama at least 3 times out of 10 if not 4 or 5.

 

[Blazers46]

Does anyone think that if we had Surtain in place of Lewis defending Smith all game and Austin and Lenzy 100% healthy, that game wouldn't have looked totally different? Without that, it is true, we'd have had to probably catch 5 out of 5 50/50 deep balls to be in it. But, with it, I think we beat Bama at least 3 times out of 10 if not 4 or 5.

I think if Notre Dame came out in Alabama uniforms and Alabama come out in ND uniforms I think that might have been the only way the result would have been different.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

They are in the midwest.

They have to deal with the same cruddy midwest weather that ND does.

I don't think Columbus is on anyone's vacation list.

They hate Michigan as much as I do.

They are committed to their football program and winning Championships.

I think I'm going to adopt them as my other football team. Just like Indiana has always been my other basketball team

I'll keep banging this drum...Texas, USC and Oklahoma can all be just as good as Bama and Clemson.

Texas is on the right path by hiring Sark.
Oklahoma defense is getting better.
USC is still a ways off.

ND has done all they can do.

If you don't follow this, then you have forgotten or too young to remember the 90s (dominated by Miami and FSU) and the 2000's (Florida, USC).

 

[Sea Turtle]

I'll keep banging this drum...Texas, USC and Oklahoma can all be just as good as Bama and Clemson.

Texas is on the right path by hiring Sark.
Oklahoma defense is getting better.
USC is still a ways off.

ND has done all they can do.

If you don't follow this, then you have forgotten or too young to remember the 90s (dominated by Miami and FSU) and the 2000's (Florida, USC).

They don't even need to be as good. They just need to start pulling some of these kids away from the same three or four teams that ALL of the top kids are going to. Alabama is just other worldly because no one else around them can seem to get it together consistently.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

They don't even need to be as good. They just need to start pulling some of these kids away from the same three or four teams that ALL of the top kids are going to. Alabama is just other worldly because no one else around them can seem to get it together consistently.

When blue bloods hire the right guy, that happens. But your narrative of "no one can touch Bama and Clemson" is far from reality.

 

[FWIrish4]

Woof. Tough night for newly minted Buckeye fan Sea Turtle. Probably first fan in history to have 2 playoff losses in the same year by his team(s).

 

[Ndaccountant]

Woof. Tough night for newly minted Buckeye fan Sea Turtle. Probably first fan in history to have 2 playoff losses in the same year by his team(s).

awesome

 

[Dale]

OSU and Georgia recruit at Bama’s level. They are not Bama. Makes you appreciate the coaching and development