Offensive Line.

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We have all raved about the defensive line and rightfully so, but the offensive line has been amazing so far this season. They protect the passer and pave the way for the running backs. We are finally starting to see Kelly get his offense revved up.

Can't worry about what the polls may say, just got to keep winning.

Here is my write up of the game.

Notre Dame Puts Offense Into Overdrive Against Air Force.
 

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Our o-line and Wisconsin's o-line are very similar. I think we have one of the best o-line's in the country
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, the majority of our oline returns next year,?
 

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If I remember correctly, two are gone for sure.

Robinson and Dever are both gone after this season. Cave has a fifth year of eligibility.

The Irish really need him back. There is no center ready to step in behind him.

Lombard appears to be the replacement for Dever and the two-deep lists Hanratty behind Robinson. I haven't heard much about Hanratty this year so the guard position might be an area of concern for 2012.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, the majority of our oline returns next year,?

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LT Zack Martin has 2 more years after this
LG Chis Watt has 3 more years
C Braxton Cave is eligible for a 5th next season
RG Trevor Robinson is a senior
RT Taylor Dever is out of eligibility after this season

Christian Lombard and Nick Martin have been very impressive according to reports
 

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LT Zack Martin has 2 more years after this
LG Chis Watt has 3 more years
C Braxton Cave is eligible for a 5th next season
RG Trevor Robinson is a senior
RT Taylor Dever is out of eligibility after this season

Christian Lombard and Nick Martin have been very impressive according to reports

T-Rob is out of eligibility as well, right?

The left side of the line is an unbelievable positive. Potential to be the best in the country.
 

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One of the top 5 offensive lines in the country. I'm a little concerned about next year. We lose 2 studs.
 

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The LT is the most important position on the o-line and we have him for 2 more years. The left side of the line will be very good next year
 

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Zack Martin
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LT Zack Martin has 2 more years after this
LG Chis Watt has 3 more years
C Braxton Cave is eligible for a 5th next season
RG Trevor Robinson is a senior
RT Taylor Dever is out of eligibility after this season

Christian Lombard and Nick Martin have been very impressive according to reports

Watt has 2 more years. He's in the same class as Zach Martin.

Christian Lombard is the heir apparent at RT. He's a stud.

RG could be anyone. If Mike Golic receives a fifth year, it will probably be him. If not, it's probably Connor Hanratty or Brad Carrico.
 

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Coach Warriner has to be wondering about shifting player positions from what they were projected. The reason is that Zach Martin is a "never out" position player at left tackle. That leaves one other tackle position and ALL our best unproven studs are thought to be tackles [Lombard, NMartin, Nichols, Hegarty, Prestwood]. Only Hanratty, Heggie [who got in saturday so start shutting up on the jokes], Carrico are thought of primarily as guards or centers behind Cave and Watt. [remember Nuss leaves too and Golic probably won't be offered if the 2012s are as good as they seem to be shaping up].

We can all be happy that I'm not Ed Warriner, but if I had to be, I'd be moving two of those tackle studs to guard/centers. As an related aside, Mark Harrell sees this from his high school vantage point and is practicing snapping the ball even though a tackle. Who would I pick to move??

Not Nichols, I think. Very tall and extendible --- a right tackle methinks. Nick Martin is "training" under Zach, so maybe not him. Lombard was originally thought of as a guard coming out of high school. Maybe he's TRob's replacement rather than Dever's. Would Prestwood or Hegarty be the better G/C? Prestwood's supposedly meaner, Hegarty's supposedly more quick-footed. Pretty foggy crystal ball, but I see us as tackle-heavy [with potentially great players] right now.


Addition: Warriner has been running the actual "game ready" line with generally eight players, not ten. We have had the strategy of a starting five who might go the whole distance, a third tackle who is "next man in" on either side [Lombard this year], and two interior linemen [Golic and Nuss] with the guard also being next man in both sides. Next year's line might be game-structured the same way. If so, we are mainly worried about getting a top eight rather than a top ten. For me the top eight would be Cave, Watt, ZMartin, Lombard, [the givens], and four others who would include NMartin and I'll go out on a limb and say Prestwood. Normally I'd say Hegarty but I've heard exactly nothing about him all year. Tate Nichols supposedly is ready, but is he injury prone? Hanratty is ambitious [volunteering for center] and maybe he's in the eight. Does one of the young studs really impress? Example: if we get Peat or Stanley or Banner etc, how really good are they? Does Carrico's athleticism and toughness blossom? And I have this crazy intuition that Bruce Heggie is a driven man.

There seems to be a load of talented roadgraders to form another O-Line from.
 
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LT Zack Martin has 2 more years after this
LG Chis Watt has 3 more years

C Braxton Cave is eligible for a 5th next season
RG Trevor Robinson is a senior
RT Taylor Dever is out of eligibility after this season

Christian Lombard and Nick Martin have been very impressive according to reports

Unless I'm missing something, I believe that Watt and Martin are in the same eligibility situation - both have two years after this year. They are both Juniors, and both preserved a year of eligibility in 2009.

Edit: Sorry, I didn't see Riddickulous had said the same thing.
 

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Unless I'm missing something, I believe that Watt and Martin are in the same eligibility situation - both have two years after this year. They are both Juniors, and both preserved a year of eligibility in 2009.

Edit: Sorry, I didn't see Riddickulous had said the same thing.

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We're at #19 for total sacks allowed and sacks allowed per game. (1)
Notables ahead of us: UM, Stanford, Boise St. Oregon, GaTech, AF, Tex A&M, OU, Navy, USC, UCLA, LSU, Maryland.

Which ones probably have better OL? Stanford, OU, and LSU for sure. A&M, Oregon, UM, and Boise maybe. UF is at #24 and played Bama and LSU with unexperienced QBs. Their OL is easily better. I'd say we have a top 10 OL.
 

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Hmmmm.... given styles of play in some cases and who the QB is in others, I'll respectfully disagree with the "for sure" and "easily better" style of commentary. Dropping off AF and USNA for obvious reasons, how do the rushing yards per carry compare between those other lines and ours?? That's the sort of "looking into something factual" I'd be more impressed with.
 

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LT Zack Martin has 2 more years after this
LG Chis Watt has 3 more years
C Braxton Cave is eligible for a 5th next season
RG Trevor Robinson is a senior
RT Taylor Dever is out of eligibility after this season

Christian Lombard and Nick Martin have been very impressive according to reports

UND.com says Cave saw action all four years. Wouldn't that make him ineligible?
 

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UND.com says Cave saw action all four years. Wouldn't that make him ineligible?

He played for ~2 minutes against SDSU as a freshman before suffering a season ending injury. He's virtually guaranteed to receive a medical redshirt for that year. So no, he still has 1 year of eligibility left.
 

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I agree completely with whoever started this topic. The story of the year for ND is the play of their offensive line. They've played great in 5 out of our 6 games and not so good in 1 game (Pitt). It's not a coincidence that Rees' only really awful game is the Pitt game. The other games he played pretty well but just made really bad turnovers.

This isn't meant to start a tangent on Rees but in my opinion Rees is not capable of performing well if he's get blitzed all the time and forced to scramble. Our offensive line is what makes him look better than he is a lot of times and worse than he really is on other occasions. Teams are going to start trying to dial up the pressure on him. If our line and Wood can protect him then we'll do fine. If not, we're not going to win.

I can only imagine what Jimmy Clausen could've done with an offensive line like this. Probably would've won the Heisman.
 

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I agree completely with whoever started this topic. The story of the year for ND is the play of their offensive line. They've played great in 5 out of our 6 games and not so good in 1 game (Pitt). It's not a coincidence that Rees' only really awful game is the Pitt game. The other games he played pretty well but just made really bad turnovers.

Rees is currently the most accurate quarterback in ND history with a significant number of attempts (i.e. discounting Hendrix at 4/4). ND's strong OL play has certainly been a factor in Rees' success, but to attribute most of his success (and the occasional lack thereof) to the OL is stretching it.

Teams are going to start trying to dial up the pressure on him.

Rees' lack of mobility is no secret. Every team we've played has tried to dial up significant pressure on Tommy since he started. Aside from USC and Pitt, most have been very unsuccessful.
 

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We're at #19 for total sacks allowed and sacks allowed per game. (1)
Notables ahead of us: UM, Stanford, Boise St. Oregon, GaTech, AF, Tex A&M, OU, Navy, USC, UCLA, LSU, Maryland.

Which ones probably have better OL? Stanford, OU, and LSU for sure. A&M, Oregon, UM, and Boise maybe. UF is at #24 and played Bama and LSU with unexperienced QBs. Their OL is easily better. I'd say we have a top 10 OL.

Negative. Oregon's offensive line is not very good.

As for our offensive line, we'll be fine. The left side of our line is amazing and will be even better next year. Watt has really suprised me. I think he has played better than any other lineman we have. Much more athletic than I thought.

Lombard should fill in nicely next year at RT. I haven't seen anyone mention Hegarty at RG next year. The staff likes him at guard. He is extremely athletic allowing the staff to rely on him pulling.

Cave coming back next year is huge. I think Harrell sits behind him for a year and gets primed and ready to fill in after next year.
 

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Cave coming back next year is huge. I think Harrell sits behind him for a year and gets primed and ready to fill in after next year.

Hanratty is listed as the #2 ROG behind Robinson, and he's cross-training at C. Harrell is going to be a project, so I doubt he'll jump into the 2-deep under at least 2013.
 

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Hanratty is listed as the #2 ROG behind Robinson, and he's cross-training at C. Harrell is going to be a project, so I doubt he'll jump into the 2-deep under at least 2013.

I know Hanratty is listed there right now, long way to go. Just don't forget about our top offensive lineman from last year.
 

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I know Hanratty is listed there right now, long way to go. Just don't forget about our top offensive lineman from last year.

He's been awfully quiet since he got on campus, and IIRC, he's practicing with the 3rd unit, not the 2nd. Kelly has no qualms about moving OTs inside to get his best 5 OL on the field together, so I'm not really expecting Hegarty to shoot up the depth chart until I start hearing/ reading good things about him.
 

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He's been awfully quiet since he got on campus, and IIRC, he's practicing with the 3rd unit, not the 2nd. Kelly has no qualms about moving OTs inside to get his best 5 OL on the field together, so I'm not really expecting Hegarty to shoot up the depth chart until I start hearing/ reading good things about him.

Every backup lineman is quiet until they are needed on the field. Lombard is the backup tackle and "has been quiet" since fall camp. Kelly clearly has no qualms about moving tackles into the guard position considering Hegarty was a tackle prospect that is practicing at guard and center so I don't understand your point there either. Again, my point was not to forget about our TOP OFFENSIVE LINE PROSPECT from a year ago, not for an argument on why Hanratty is there after about 30 practices. Again, LONG WAY TO GO until next year which was the timeline in discussion.
 
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