Offensive Line Thread

[dublinirish]

HH parody account

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sure, if <a href="https://twitter.com/maxired10">@maxired10</a> or <a href="https://twitter.com/Equanimeous">@Equanimeous</a> walk around campus w/ their shirt off its fine. I do it one time and here I am in Jenkins office, SMH.</p>— Harry Hiestand (@FauxBigHarry) <a href="https://twitter.com/FauxBigHarry/status/618011822642180096">July 6, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bench and squat is fine and all, but don't forget about curls. I want guns, damn it <a href="https://twitter.com/ParkerBoudreaux">@ParkerBoudreaux</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Big_TK75">@Big_TK75</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Iggyike17">@Iggyike17</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/F16HTINGIRISH?src=hash">#F16HTINGIRISH</a></p>— Harry Hiestand (@FauxBigHarry) <a href="https://twitter.com/FauxBigHarry/status/616714471298371585">July 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Irish YJ]

LOL. I wonder if Harry follows fake Harry.

 

[dublinirish]

LOL. I wonder if Harry follows fake Harry.

i thought he had zero social media accounts?

 

[BeauBenken]

i thought he had zero social media accounts?

The schools makes twitter accounts for all the coaches and then the coaches use them...or in Harry's case, they don't.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

I'm guessing the only thing he uses the Internet for is funny cat videos

 

[ulukinatme]

That's awesome. Maybe Fake Harry Heistand will get as big as Faux Pelini?

 

[OCIrish]

I followed him......that is some funny assed $hit!!!!

 

[ulukinatme]

More Fake Harry Tweets:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">S/O to my 100th follower <a href="https://twitter.com/CindyHoge">@CindyHoge</a>. Now excuse me while I go yell at your son <a href="https://twitter.com/HogeTristen">@HogeTristen</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash">#GoIrish</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HailHarry?src=hash">#HailHarry</a></p>— Harry Hiestand (@FauxBigHarry) <a href="https://twitter.com/FauxBigHarry/status/618475015546273793">July 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Anyone know how to change your tinder notification to Jay-Z's Big Pimpin? Asking for a friend...</p>— Harry Hiestand (@FauxBigHarry) <a href="https://twitter.com/FauxBigHarry/status/618458653138526208">July 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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This one could happen...I mean, Faux Pelini had the whole cat thing, and the real Pelini then showed up for the Nebraska Spring Game with one in tow.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">100 RTs and I'll ride a horse bareback through the players walk vs Texas and IDC what <a href="https://twitter.com/FakeSwarbrick">@FakeSwarbrick</a> has to say about it <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash">#GoIrish</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BeatTexas?src=hash">#BeatTexas</a></p>— Harry Hiestand (@FauxBigHarry) <a href="https://twitter.com/FauxBigHarry/status/618765567634337792">July 8, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sometimes you just gotta steal a barbell from the gug, throw on a Rocky hoodie, and rip some curls on campus for touchdown Jesus. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WeAreND?src=hash">#WeAreND</a></p>— Harry Hiestand (@FauxBigHarry) <a href="https://twitter.com/FauxBigHarry/status/618926854691520512">July 8, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Keith Gilmore follows the account along with a bunch of current and former players. It's got to be somebody inside the program doing it?

 

[dublinirish]

a former UT preferred walk-on OL was doing an AMA on r/cfb the other day so I asked him what he thought of HH. Here was his reply:

As coaching goes? He knows his shit. Very good.
As far as treating us with respect? Shit. He was shit in that department. That was the reason most of us hated him.
However, ND was his dream job. When he was leaving he was trying to get better at how he treated players so maybe he is better now.
I think some of why he treated us like that was because he had been coaching in the league and possibly felt snubbed being at UT. But i dunno.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Pretty irrelevant to our Harry Hiestand.

PWO sour grapes? Poor head coach creating lousy atmosphere vs great head coach creating professional positive atmosphere?

Who really cares? Coach Harry is the best RIGHT NOW.

 

[PANDFAN]

the faux harry

the faux harry

koon stated he was going to create it to a couple of us on twitter...then boom it was created...so im guessing its koon

 

[dublinirish]

Pretty irrelevant to our Harry Hiestand.

PWO sour grapes? Poor head coach creating lousy atmosphere vs great head coach creating professional positive atmosphere?

Who really cares? Coach Harry is the best RIGHT NOW.

lol yeah i felt bad for the kid he turned down schollys at Vanderbilt and some other schools to walk on at UT during the Dooley era. He quit after one season because he wanted to do engineering and the coaches told him not to.

 

[greyhammer90]

a former UT preferred walk-on OL was doing an AMA on r/cfb the other day so I asked him what he thought of HH. Here was his reply:

Pretty irrelevant to our Harry Hiestand.

PWO sour grapes? Poor head coach creating lousy atmosphere vs great head coach creating professional positive atmosphere?

Who really cares? Coach Harry is the best RIGHT NOW.

Pretty interesting nonetheless considering how much our OL guys love him. I still remember what a Tennessee team manager said about him when I inquired (you can probably find this in his hiring thread). He looked at me and said "Your pass blocking is going to be immaculate, your run blocking is going to be average." So far that's been fairly accurate over the last few years. We'll see if the change to a run-first team will bring out more of the nastiness.

Edit: Now that I'm thinking about it, he also said he cussed at players more than anyone he's ever seen and joked that he was a "true Catholic" in that regard. (Friendly joke since I always give him sh*t for being a baptist.)

 

[dublinirish]

You have to remember what a shambles UT OL was during those times, i think one year they had Bray at QB with 4 freshman OL in front of him with a kid playing Center who could only shotgun snap because they didn't have time to teach him how to snap to a QB under center

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Funny when you look at all the HH stories from his coaching past, the U of Ten stories are the outliers. About the yelling, attitude, and blocking. The Bears could block the run; Rockets, Trojans, etc., including Missouri, which averaged over 250 yards per game and put three linemen on the All-B12 team.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Yes interesting, particularly the utterly understandable Pass-vs-Run-blocking remark. Since pass-blocking and old-fashioned power run-blocking are such different skills in this modern speed game, it is probably a rare bird who is elite at both [ZMart]. Since Kelly wants fluid pass-blocking as a first priority [can't imagine him setting up whole pre-season practice philosophy around a mano-a-mano in your face power running blocking scheme], Coach Harry MUST go with Coach's over-Plan and get the monsters dancing and punching more than grunting and plowing. That sounds like we are to expect excellent pass-blocking schemes to me, coupled with average run-blocking [if it's oldstyle running we're talking about] effectiveness.

Coach, it seems to me, trusts his big ripping runs to come off defensive confusion and surprise rather than pure brutal power. He is spreading people out and weakening their in-the-box "concentration", both people-numbers-wise and attention-to-attack-wise. Then his "Isaiah Pead's" tear through the more scattered opponents and rip big chunks. Harry will surely be asked to coach primarily to this philosophy, and that will also favor certain linemen over others who might well flourish in an Alabama, USC, OSU, or Wisconsin type power system. We can probably imagine certain OLinemen on the team right now who might be starting elsewhere but will not see the field at ND.

 

[greyhammer90]

Yes interesting, particularly the utterly understandable Pass-vs-Run-blocking remark. Since pass-blocking and old-fashioned power run-blocking are such different skills in this modern speed game, it is probably a rare bird who is elite at both [ZMart]. Since Kelly wants fluid pass-blocking as a first priority [can't imagine him setting up whole pre-season practice philosophy around a mano-a-mano in your face power running blocking scheme], Coach Harry MUST go with Coach's over-Plan and get the monsters dancing and punching more than grunting and plowing. That sounds like we are to expect excellent pass-blocking schemes to me, coupled with average run-blocking [if it's oldstyle running we're talking about] effectiveness.

Coach, it seems to me, trusts his big ripping runs to come off defensive confusion and surprise rather than pure brutal power. He is spreading people out and weakening their in-the-box "concentration", both people-numbers-wise and attention-to-attack-wise. Then his "Isaiah Pead's" tear through the more scattered opponents and rip big chunks. Harry will surely be asked to coach primarily to this philosophy, and that will also favor certain linemen over others who might well flourish in an Alabama, USC, OSU, or Wisconsin type power system. We can probably imagine certain OLinemen on the team right now who might be starting elsewhere but will not see the field at ND.

Yeah I don't think being "average" at traditional power running is a bad thing at all considering that kind of style is reflected in the way Kelly calls running plays. Kelly rarely (sometimes frustratingly) wants to simply push the defense because he would rather use confusion and numbers to get him the yardage. You can see this with the much maligned jet-sweep on the three yard line (which mathematically makes perfect sense to do in that situation, because you have a speedster with an angle running away from the majority of the defensive players) or, more successfully, the backdoor hand-off where the QB rolls out 15 times in a row and finally gives it to the running back when the DE on the opposite side gets lazy and starts trying to cut underneath to get to the QB faster.

 

[Ndaccountant]

koon stated he was going to create it to a couple of us on twitter...then boom it was created...so im guessing its koon

If that is true, his ability to demonstrate wit has experienced a parabolic increase.

 

[PANDFAN]

If that is true, his ability to demonstrate wit has experienced a parabolic increase.

koon told me it wasn't him

 

[Irish Insanity]

I'd bet Koon is more of a Faux Longo guy

 

[IrishInFl]

Shout out to the big H. There were holes big enough to run a Mack truck through, let alone a mere human.

 

[vmgsf]

Harry you belong at Notre Dame. I hope you stay until you call it quits.

 

[BobbyMac]

Wrap your head around the first tweet. That's unbelievable. The second tweet is merely awesome. We're seeing history folks.

...and who knows, the best future NFL tackle on the team could very well be the back-up LG. grin:

 

[PANDFAN]

Wrap your head around the first tweet. That's unbelievable. The second tweet is merely awesome. We're seeing history folks.

...and who knows, the best future NFL tackle on the team could very well be the back-up LG. grin:


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>'s CJ Prosise has gone 5+ yards past LOS without being contacted on 24 of 74 carries, the highest percentage for any Power 5 RB.</p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/648884505101660160">September 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> RB CJ Prosise's 19 rushes of 10+ yards are tied for national lead, with Tyler Ervin, Royce Freeman and Nick Chubb.</p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/648884029450792960">September 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
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amazing what running north and south will do instead of east/west

 

[BobbyMac]

amazing what running north and south will do instead of east/west

Well to be fair, a lot of those are Prosise running outside and the line / TE's / WR's just walling people off. So many of their simple hand offs to the outside have nobody within a sniff of the back until 10 yards downfield.

If ND had a Mark Edwards or a Mike Alstott on this team... oh Lawd

 

[PANDFAN]

Well to be fair, a lot of those are Prosise running outside and the line / TE's / WR's just walling people off. So many of their simple hand offs to the outside have nobody within a sniff of the back until 10 yards downfield.

If ND had a Mark Edwards or a Mike Alstott on this team... oh Lawd

im talking about allowing the hole to be created before bouncing everything...

 

[BabyIrish]

im talking about allowing the hole to be created before bouncing everything...

BK mentioned this in "inside Notre dame football" that CJ does a great job of setting up his blocks, which is remarkable considering his RB experience

 

[BobbyMac]

im talking about allowing the hole to be created before bouncing everything...

My response was worded awkwardly. I'm not disagreeing with you, you are right and there are holes wherever Coach H wants them, just wanted to add that they are running everywhere with success.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Just want to make sure we don't meander too far past the point, this offensive line is oppressive in nature!

If they keep this up, they will insanely outperform some other lines that have gone down as special.,

It is incredible how fast all starters, and backups are at getting to the second and third level.

I don't know how you make this a stat, but every game I see Quenton, Nick, and Steve getting crushing blocks at the point of attack, peeling off, hustling down field, and skewering targets at the second and third level that are unprepared for that kind of speed and fury!

And did you know that McGlinchey is actually grading out better than Stanley to this point? Neither have given up a sack or a hurry, but Mike actually has fewer penalties.

This all is nearly insane, and the biggest advantage a team can take into a game in my opinion!

With this line I don't think it is about having Edwards or Alstott, respectfully, I think this team could function if they had Skinny J. Slipshiztinsky carrying the ball!

But it is nice having CJ 600 yards in four games, and he is still a secret weapon; his own fan base doesn't even see him as a force yet.

(My fantasy is to see Rodney Culver or Jerome Bettis behind this line!)