Oct 4 | Boise State

[SportsingHard]

What a weird thing to focus on...if you focus on your offense and dominate, this takes care of itself...it's almost similar to an optimist vs pessimist view of a glass of water...either it's half full...or half empty...

Am I to understand you don't like people noticing or discussing this, and you wanted to discuss how you don't like people discussing this?

 

[Bane]

Boise is a physical team. They run the ball between the tackles a lot with 2, sometimes three tight ends blocking. QB is total opposite of Arkansas. Short, not a runner, makes good decisions. Their passing game is mostly underneath with a lot of checkdowns to the TE and RBs.WRs are nothing special. They get good results vs G5 teams with this approach. I wonder how much, if any, they'll change their approach vs us. They win because their OL dominates and they don't make mistakes. Can they do that vs us?

This is where having an offense like ours will be a huge asset. Physical running and dink and dunk is not built for a shootout. Can they keep pace? It’s a lot of pressure on them.

 

[Dale]

Boise was whipped up front against USF.

Pressured on 35% of dropbacks and Stuffed on 36% of rushes.

 

[PolishDomer]

Am I to understand you don't like people noticing or discussing this, and you wanted to discuss how you don't like people discussing this?

No just making a statement that it just seems like a weird thing to me to focus on punting, thats all...nothing against your take.

 

[BeauBenken]

Boise was whipped up front against USF.

Pressured on 35% of dropbacks and Stuffed on 36% of rushes.

How did they do every other week? Hard to judge a unit on just one week, especially week one. See: us vs Miami.

 

[CoachB]

Boise is a physical team. They run the ball between the tackles a lot with 2, sometimes three tight ends blocking. QB is total opposite of Arkansas. Short, not a runner, makes good decisions. Their passing game is mostly underneath with a lot of checkdowns to the TE and RBs.WRs are nothing special. They get good results vs G5 teams with this approach. I wonder how much, if any, they'll change their approach vs us. They win because their OL dominates and they don't make mistakes. Can they do that vs us?

That sounds like a frustrating game for us with our soft zone. Just let them dink and dunk down the field is frustrating football.

 

[Huntr]

How did they do every other week? Hard to judge a unit on just one week, especially week one. See: us vs Miami.

They beat a bad FCS team and 2 extremely shitty G5 teams.

App State is one of the worst teams in FBS this year, and AFA isn't far behind.


ETA: This is not the Boise of yesteryear or even last year. They are not good. 53 in SP+, 51 in FPI, 45 in FEI.

 

[Dale]

How did they do every other week? Hard to judge a unit on just one week, especially week one. See: us vs Miami.

Idk the Miami game showed our OTs still struggle with elite size/speed. I don’t think that’s a takeaway that has faded or proven a one off.

Boise State struggled with an improved USF DL. The bigger question is NDs DL capable of being as disruptive?

 

[Irish#1]

Cmon man, this is the same program that lost to fricken Wabash, 5-0, in 1905, and you think we are just going to walk all over Boise St?

They're called the Little Giants for a reason.

 

[Irish#1]

Boise is a physical team. They run the ball between the tackles a lot with 2, sometimes three tight ends blocking. QB is total opposite of Arkansas. Short, not a runner, makes good decisions. Their passing game is mostly underneath with a lot of checkdowns to the TE and RBs.WRs are nothing special. They get good results vs G5 teams with this approach. I wonder how much, if any, they'll change their approach vs us. They win because their OL dominates and they don't make mistakes. Can they do that vs us?

A leopard doesn't change its spots. They might throw a curve ball once in a while, but if running between the tackles is their strength I don't see them moving away from that.

 

[stpeteirish]

How did they do every other week? Hard to judge a unit on just one week, especially week one. See: us vs Miami.

Rest of this year’s schedule is pretty soft looks like app st and Air Force are both way down for some reason.
Playoff game vs Penn St is probably a good guide. Penn St handled the run so they went to the air 53 times. Really didn’t have much to show for it, 303 yards but 3 interceptions and only 14 points.

 

[Rudy89]

It’s worked the last two games.

 

[vicknd1982]

Anyone here anything about status of Leanord Moore for this game?

 

[peadeam]

Anyone here anything about status of Leanord Moore for this game?

Only thing I’ve heard was when Freeman said he was still questionable during the PC

 

[calvegas04]

Anyone here anything about status of Leanord Moore for this game?

Resting him up for Navy

 

[ulukinatme]

Resting him up for Navy

Definitely rest him till USC.

 

[stlnd01]

That sounds like a frustrating game for us with our soft zone. Just let them dink and dunk down the field is frustrating football.

It might be frustrating but the odds of them successfully moving the ball all the way down the field like that enough times to win are low. They will make mistakes. We will make plays. Their drives will stall, and then it will be our turn.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Zackery made a couple of nice plays last week, particularly breaking up the pass in the corner of the endzone.

I trust MF and the staff to not push Moore into action sooner than we need. And make no bones about it, we will need him healthy in two weeks.

I'm not suggesting they are holding him out for USC in particular but they're clearly worried that putting him back in there too soon could lead to aggravating it sooner. I trust their judgement. They want him back in there as badly as IrishEnvy, I'm sure. lol

 

[yankeehater]

Anyone here anything about status of Leanord Moore for this game?

He was listed as the starter on the two-deep. Not sure if they never pulled him off the two-deep with the injury in the previous game.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Zackery made a couple of nice plays last week, particularly breaking up the pass in the corner of the endzone.

I trust MF and the staff to not push Moore into action sooner than we need. And make no bones about it, we will need him healthy in two weeks.

I'm not suggesting they are holding him out for USC in particular but they're clearly worried that putting him back in there too soon could lead to aggravating it sooner. I trust their judgement. They want him back in there as badly as IrishEnvy, I'm sure. lol

Agree but I always find it interesting when people say "i trust the staff" "or i trust their judgement". Nothing personal because I get it, the staff is at every practice/meeting/etc, but i'm frustrated because it's been a few years now where the obvious better more talented player isn't getting the reps over the upperclassmen. Coaches at time play upperclassmen or who they like or are more comfortable with over the better player.

Just focusing on this year, if ND played the obviously better, more talented player from game 1 I believe we're 4-0.

Tae over Stroman - everyone could see it right away
Golden over hobbs - hobbs can't cover anyone
any of the DTs over Hinish in run downs

next up is KVA over Bowen

Also, the staff clearly didn't trust Carr to start the season.

My point, the staff did NOT have a good pulse on what this team needed offensively or defensively to start the season schematically or personnel wise. The offense figured it out much faster, hopefully the D will catch up or get close soon. Arkansas was a step in the right direction.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

He was listed as the starter on the two-deep. Not sure if they never pulled him off the two-deep with the injury in the previous game.

He was, the depth charts are identical to last week.

Notre Dame Fighting Irish VS Arkansas Razorbacks: Depth Charts

Game four for Notre Dame puts them in SEC country

www.onefootdown.com

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Agree but I always find it interesting when people say "i trust the staff" "or i trust their judgement". Nothing personal because I get it, the staff is at every practice/meeting/etc, but i'm frustrated because it's been a few years now where the obvious better more talented player isn't getting the reps over the upperclassmen. Coaches at time play upperclassmen or who they like or are more comfortable with over the better player.

Just focusing on this year, if ND played the obviously better, more talented player from game 1 I believe we're 4-0.

Tae over Stroman - everyone could see it right away
Golden over hobbs - hobbs can't cover anyone
any of the DTs over Hinish in run downs

next up is KVA over Bowen

Also, the staff clearly didn't trust Carr to start the season.

My point, the staff did NOT have a good pulse on what this team needed offensively or defensively to start the season schematically or personnel wise. The offense figured it out much faster, hopefully the D will catch up or get close soon. Arkansas was a step in the right direction.

This is all hindsight. Were you calling for Tae over Stroman at the start of the year? By all accounts, it was a close competition, and Tae was getting playing time, just wasn't starting. it's easy for us to watch games on Saturday and then say that Hobbs is getting cooked. Do you know how it looked in practice? That's how the coaches decide who is going to start the games, and then they adjust accordingly.

They literally went with Carr over Minchey, the more veteran player. He went with Knapp over more veteran players a year ago when Jagusah went down. Leonard Moore was our #3 CB, leap frogging Jaden Mickey last year (who was a fine player for us), which ultimately led to his transfer. Freeman has shown that he'll start the better player regardless of experience when it's a clear-cut call.

I get your frustration, and Im' not arguing that they held Carr back in Miami, but you're just picking and choosing things (again, in hindsight) when there are examples that contradict your argument.

 

[stlnd01]

Agree but I always find it interesting when people say "i trust the staff" "or i trust their judgement". Nothing personal because I get it, the staff is at every practice/meeting/etc, but i'm frustrated because it's been a few years now where the obvious better more talented player isn't getting the reps over the upperclassmen. Coaches at time play upperclassmen or who they like or are more comfortable with over the better player.

Just focusing on this year, if ND played the obviously better, more talented player from game 1 I believe we're 4-0.

Tae over Stroman - everyone could see it right away
Golden over hobbs - hobbs can't cover anyone
any of the DTs over Hinish in run downs

next up is KVA over Bowen

Also, the staff clearly didn't trust Carr to start the season.

My point, the staff did NOT have a good pulse on what this team needed offensively or defensively to start the season schematically or personnel wise. The offense figured it out much faster, hopefully the D will catch up or get close soon. Arkansas was a step in the right direction.

Agree this is largely hindsight. And also this is why most teams don’t start the season with their two toughest games.

 

[PutuporShutup]

This is all hindsight. Were you calling for Tae over Stroman at the start of the year? By all accounts, it was a close competition, and Tae was getting playing time, just wasn't starting. it's easy for us to watch games on Saturday and then say that Hobbs is getting cooked. Do you know how it looked in practice? That's how the coaches decide who is going to start the games, and then they adjust accordingly.

They literally went with Carr over Minchey, the more veteran player. He went with Knapp over more veteran players a year ago when Jagusah went down. Leonard Moore was our #3 CB, leap frogging Jaden Mickey last year (who was a fine player for us), which ultimately led to his transfer. Freeman has shown that he'll start the better player regardless of experience when it's a clear-cut call.

I get your frustration, and Im' not arguing that they held Carr back in Miami, but you're just picking and choosing things (again, in hindsight) when there are examples that contradict your argument.

It's not hindsight. It's the coaching staff NOT doing their job. There isn't some close gap between the ability of Tae and Stroman, it's not difficult to see that Stroman should NEVER be playing single high safety. This is stuff the staff should have flushed out in practice. We all know hinish can't stand up against the run vs good Olines, we all know bowen can't cover to save his life. These are things we saw last year and they didn't fix, or get someone else in there to do it better. There's clearly better options than bowen in coverage, there's clearly better options than hinish early downs or short yardage, there's clearly better options than hobbs in coverage or stroman at deep single high safety. Again, WTF were they looking at in practice to roll that product out? The fixes haven't been scheme or development, they've been personnel. Golden, Tae, not playing hinish as much. Next up is DE rotation, bowen in passing situations, and getting moore healthy.

Moore did NOT leap over mickey on the depth chart. Moore was backing up BenMo, and Mickey was backing up Gray. Mickey transferred after 4 games to preserve elgibility most likely because he realized the staff preferred gray over him. Benmo goes down with injury, and Moore steps up. Mickey was gone when benmo got injured to end season.

Minchey didn't have any more experience in Denbrocks offense than Carr. Yet we ran a two QB race wasting valuable reps on what IMO should have been obvious. Freeman is talking now like he's seen this from Carr all along, if so, what were you doing waiting? Keeping minchey happy?

There was no other viable option when Jagusah went down last year, they putt knapp in. The other option was baker that we all knew couldn't do it.

We have a good coaching staff offensively, but I'm not sold on it defensively this year as most are not, it's why i don't blindly trust the defensive staff (washington/ash/freeman). Not that it matters what I think.

But yes, just sharing frustration of probably the most talented team in 30 years and we started 0-2 IMO due to bad coaching.

 

[Dale]

Prettt sure they all but said they wanted Stroman versus Miami at least because they trusted his communication, ability to be in the right place etc. Aka they started the vet. I get it. Don’t necessarily agree, in hindsight, but I get it.

The mistake was not having Shuler play the Field if that was going to be the case.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Prettt sure they all but said they wanted Stroman versus Miami at least because they trusted his communication, ability to be in the right place etc. Aka they started the vet. I get it. Don’t necessarily agree, in hindsight, but I get it.

The mistake was not having Shuler play the Field if that was going to be the case.

Stroman isn't a terrible player, he's just terrible at what they asked him to do the first 2 games. I think he's an extremely physical good tackling STRONG safety, that can play a hybrid safety/lb role in clear passing situations. If bowen is in on passing situations due to the green dot/communication thats coaching malpractice. I get it, you don't want to have too many people having to coach and manage that responsibility, but packages shouldn't be difficult to manage if you have a plan on 3rd/4th long who is going to be green dot in those situations.

Think about A&M and their first TD (a lot went wrong) but we were scheming to switch stroman onto one of the most dynamic WRs in the country when they motioned craver. To your point, the base of that play was stroman at free safety and shuler at SS in the box. WHY????

This whole left right is the same concept ash put in play does not work for this team with safeties or ends. They are not all equal skill sets. Its one thing to know what both positions do, it's another to physically be able to do it.

Bowen isn't a terrible player, but asking him to go sideline to sideline, and cover in passing situations is just not smart.

Hinish isn't terrible, but when you play a team like Miami, A&M, Arkansas with a good power running game, he's not it early downs or short yardage (unless SDE). He can still have a roll though.

Again, it's like the staff especially on the defensive side didn't have any plan this year to scheme or use personnel to their strengths/weaknesses.

Most times fans are like, "bench so and so" but in reality, there isn't another option better or close to better to go to. We have so much depth and options (other than corner) to utilize their strengths in correct situations. This is the year where there is other, better, situational options.

 

[Dale]

 

[dankgesang]

 

[SportsingHard]

It's not hindsight. It's the coaching staff NOT doing their job. There isn't some close gap between the ability of Tae and Stroman, it's not difficult to see that Stroman should NEVER be playing single high safety. This is stuff the staff should have flushed out in practice. We all know hinish can't stand up against the run vs good Olines, we all know bowen can't cover to save his life. These are things we saw last year and they didn't fix, or get someone else in there to do it better. There's clearly better options than bowen in coverage, there's clearly better options than hinish early downs or short yardage, there's clearly better options than hobbs in coverage or stroman at deep single high safety. Again, WTF were they looking at in practice to roll that product out? The fixes haven't been scheme or development, they've been personnel. Golden, Tae, not playing hinish as much. Next up is DE rotation, bowen in passing situations, and getting moore healthy.

Moore did NOT leap over mickey on the depth chart. Moore was backing up BenMo, and Mickey was backing up Gray. Mickey transferred after 4 games to preserve elgibility most likely because he realized the staff preferred gray over him. Benmo goes down with injury, and Moore steps up. Mickey was gone when benmo got injured to end season.

Minchey didn't have any more experience in Denbrocks offense than Carr. Yet we ran a two QB race wasting valuable reps on what IMO should have been obvious. Freeman is talking now like he's seen this from Carr all along, if so, what were you doing waiting? Keeping minchey happy?

There was no other viable option when Jagusah went down last year, they putt knapp in. The other option was baker that we all knew couldn't do it.

We have a good coaching staff offensively, but I'm not sold on it defensively this year as most are not, it's why i don't blindly trust the defensive staff (washington/ash/freeman). Not that it matters what I think.

But yes, just sharing frustration of probably the most talented team in 30 years and we started 0-2 IMO due to bad coaching.

Word out of preseason pratice was Tae looked great half the time and terrible the other half. Can't have that ratio. Meanwhile, Golden and Hobbs were both second string, with Hobbs at NB and Golden playing corner. Word was, Golden showed talent (i.e. long-term potential) but was a long, long way from being ready. When Devonta got injured, playing the guy who had actually practiced at the position made sense. Tae and Golden were players everybody knew would succeed in time. They simply weren't ready. In a defense where the biggest problem is people understanding and communicating what they're doing, we didn't need more inexperience.

Hinish was the opposite. He was the man at practice. These things always change over time.

 

[arrowryan]

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