Oct 17 | Southern Cal

[Irish#1]

I can't believe Sark couldn't control himself. Yeah, I get it, Alcoholism is a disease technically, but he was young, doing well recruiting, and coaching at his dream job where he was an alum. That's a lot to lose. Hell that's everything besides family if he has any.

I don't think you comprehend how much pressure you're under when you coach at a place like USC. You have the admin, media and fans voicing their thoughts constantly. Then you have your family wanting you to spend more time with them.

 

[dad4aa]

I don't think you comprehend how much pressure you're under when you coach at a place like USC. You have the admin, media and fans voicing their thoughts constantly. Then you have your family wanting you to spend more time with them.

Just curious, if you feel it is worse than ND, Michigan, Stanford, etc?

 

[ulukinatme]

I just got home after drinking all day. What did I miss?

Sark, is that you?

 

[IrishInFl]

I have an inside source who knows who the leader in the clubhouse is, if Sark gets the boot.......




And he told me his name is........





JOEY FRESHWATER

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[ulukinatme]

Joey Freshwater would be a fantastic hire.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Just curious, if you feel it is worse than ND, Michigan, Stanford, etc?

Definitely worse than Stanford. Not really even comparable in my opinion.

 

[Bluto]

Definitely worse than Stanford. Not really even comparable in my opinion.

Stanford is probably one of the most low pressure head coaching jobs on the planet. I'm coaching a pee wee team and I'm probably under greater pressure than Shaw. Lol.

 

[ThePiombino]

I have an inside source who knows who the leader in the clubhouse is, if Sark gets the boot.......




And he told me his name is........





JOEY FRESHWATER

I just got home after drinking all day. What did I miss?

Pure gold.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In the last 13 months, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USC?src=hash">#USC</a> has fired a coach at an airport, had his successor quit before the season ended, with his successor take a LOA.</p>— Reign of Troy (@ReignofTroy) <a href="https://twitter.com/ReignofTroy/status/653325043611467776">October 11, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If Clay Helton is USC’s interim head coach, ND will face a fourth different Trojans head coach in the last four years.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/653320362952916992">October 11, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I don't expect this development to redound to ND's benefit on Saturday. Quite the opposite, actually.

 

[NDPhilly]

Have you ever fucked up so bad that you hired a coach with a career record of barely over .500 that also was a known alcoholic to one of the premier football jobs in the country? Pat Haden has.

 

[phgreek]

So will this help or hurt us. I can't decide what will happen. On one hand, the players could be pissed, not care, etc and come out and play bad and we hammer them. On the other hand, they could come in with a big chip on their shoulder and be more focused than ever and annihilate us. What are others thoughts? Is this situation going to help us, hurt us or not make a difference?

IMHO, if ND starts slow, it will get really tough...and could go either way. If ND goes out and punches them in the mouth from the opening kickoff, I think ND could hammer them pretty good.

 

[ulukinatme]

I don't expect this development to redound to ND's benefit on Saturday. Quite the opposite, actually.

I'm expecting everything and anything this weekend. Last time an interim coach came in it was the 2013 game with ol' Ed Orgeron. Tommy got us out to a great start by halftime, gave a rousing speech to the team during the break, and then subsequently went out for the rest of the game. Our defense magically held onto the lead while poor Hendrix was completely unprepared and lost the rest of the game. I still can't believe we won that game.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'm expecting everything and anything this weekend. Last time an interim coach came in it was the 2013 game with ol' Ed Orgeron. Tommy got us out to a great start by halftime, gave a rousing speech to the team during the break, and then subsequently went out for the rest of the game. Our defense magically held onto the lead while poor Hendrix was completely unprepared and lost the rest of the game. I still can't believe we won that game.

Was easily one of the weirdest football games I've ever watched. But there's no question that Orgeron revitalized the Trojans. Aside from that freakish loss to us, Ed reeled off 6 consecutive wins, including a slugfest against then-ranked #5 Stanford.

Sark likely bears most of the blame for USC's failure to play up to its potential. He's now out of the way. That doesn't bode well for us.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

No point in debating this anymore since we clearly don't agree.

I am surprised that you don't get what it means to have an addiction. The point is that he can't simply "hold off" until the offseason... his body likely has a physical dependency on alcohol. Not so fun fact, I believe alcohol is the only substance where addicts physically need the drug to survive. In other words, severe alcoholics will literally die if they don't drink.

Absolutely true. I've had adult patients before who had to be given beer during their hospital stay or their bodies begin to withdraw. Most people don't know it, but hospitals keep beer in the cafeteria for such patients. Their bodies can't physically handle a sudden stop of alcohol.

I doubt this is the level that Sark was at, but if he was consuming as often as it sounds like he was, yeah, it was probably extremely difficult to just quit cold turkey. It's damn near impossible for most addicts.

 

[dublinirish]

Stanford is probably one of the most low pressure head coaching jobs on the planet. I'm coaching a pee wee team and I'm probably under greater pressure than Shaw. Lol.

Ah but you got that schematic advantage right??

Seriously would love to know if USC were aware of any issues with Sark and alcoholism during his previous stint at USC and then when he was at UW.

 

[dublinirish]

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[connor_in]

I'm expecting everything and anything this weekend. Last time an interim coach came in it was the 2013 game with ol' Ed Orgeron. Tommy got us out to a great start by halftime, gave a rousing speech to the team during the break, and then subsequently went out for the rest of the game. Our defense magically held onto the lead while poor Hendrix was completely unprepared and lost the rest of the game. I still can't believe we won that game.

To be fair thou, Ed O was beloved by the players. Not sure this guy has that.

 

[JughedJones]

This is fucked.

I hate USC with the heat of a gibillion stars... but I wish that jagoff the best.

Fuck him, but I hope he's OK.

HA, but sorry.

 

[Irish#1]

Just curious, if you feel it is worse than ND, Michigan, Stanford, etc?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not giving him an excuse. Simply stating my own opinion. To answer your question, I don't think any coaching position is worse than ND's when it comes to pressure, particularly Stanford. My point is simply the pressure is pretty great for him. My guess is he has been using alcohol as a release. Not the best way to handle pressure as it appears the majority of coaches don't use it.

Stanford is probably one of the most low pressure head coaching jobs on the planet. I'm coaching a pee wee team and I'm probably under greater pressure than Shaw. Lol.

LOL...........I can relate. I coached pee wee football and Little League for 13 years. It's crazy how some of these parents can get.

How USC responds is really based on how much the players like and respect Sark. As previously stated, if we come out and punch them in the mouth and keep punching until halftime, I think we break them at that point.

 

[Irish YJ]

Was easily one of the weirdest football games I've ever watched. But there's no question that Orgeron revitalized the Trojans. Aside from that freakish loss to us, Ed reeled off 6 consecutive wins, including a slugfest against then-ranked #5 Stanford.

Sark likely bears most of the blame for USC's failure to play up to its potential. He's now out of the way. That doesn't bode well for us.

I agree long term. Short term (next week), I think we have the advantage. Hard for me to feel sorry for USC, but I feel for the players who Sark recruited right now. And the 2016 kids... one has to think DH was the first of several to come.

 

[dublinirish]

Documents, former players point to Steve Sarkisian&apos;s alcohol use at Washington - LA Times

 

[JughedJones]

as soon as the booster meeting happened, you could tell he struck a nerve.

he was out. hilarious and sad. I always hated the douche, but I know he might need help... but maybe he's faking it because he's a loser.

could be.

he wasn't terribly successful at UW. would you have bought what he was selling when you
were in high school?

I stayed away from frauds like him.

 

[Irish#1]

Documents, former players point to Steve Sarkisian&apos;s alcohol use at Washington - LA Times

"Athletic Director Pat Haden said the university vetted Sarkisian extensively before hiring him as coach in December 2013."

I wonder what their definition of vetted extensively really is?

 

[rocket66]

Wasn't is reported that his wife left him this year too and he's now going through a divorce? Poor dude is having a rough year.


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[JughedJones]

Know what?

Let's not be nice. Dude was a douche.

Fuck em. Go Irish.




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[JughedJones]

fuck you sark

 

[Senoj13]

When Pat Haden also gets fired, can someone make sure NBC doesn't hire him back?

 

[Ndaccountant]

When Pat Haden also gets fired, can someone make sure NBC doesn't hire him back?

Can decide who is worse, Pat of Flutie?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I have found this thread interesting.

A high functioning alcoholic is just that; high functioning. I believe anyone knowledgeable of the misery, its symptoms, and pathology, would not consider Sark a high functioning alcoholic.

I believe anyone who is a father, husband, or football fan would not consider him a high functioning anything.

Just like everyone was willing to let him live in the "mistakenly mixed pills and beer lie," everyone shares in the blame for what this guy was allowed to do.

Sark is the only one responsible for what he did. Not Hayden, not Carol, not his ex-wife, not OJ. Nobody else. It is interesting that our society ignores a whole lot of bad behavior until it costs lives, or blows up so visibly that it must be dealt with, and then all the ass-clowns scramble around to find someone at which to point the finger!

Someone was right when they mentioned the good old days; we are not too far removed from a time where dead bodies would be hidden from view, and crimes would have been buried . . .

As far as a functioning alcoholic, particularly a truly high functioning one, I knew one pretty well. The guy worked a very responsible job until retirement, helped (to the best of his ability) to raise a family, never had a DUI, was the life of the party without being obnoxious, was well loved and respected; man was brilliant, well respected, and truly loved!

Why would I call this person a high functioning alcoholic? He was very atypical symptomatically, always in a good kind mood when drinking, an absolute son of a bitch when sober. Able to perform athletic feats beyond expectation when drinking, not able to do much more than walk a straight line when sober. And the list went on and on.

A high functioning alcoholic is one that would elicit near unanimous surprise at the revelation they had a drinking problem. In fact, most aren't even suspected by any but their closest friends and family members until their secret is revealed. Alcoholism is always revealed, sooner or later. If the person is highly functioning enough, it is usually through their death being caused directly by their addiction, or other ancillary evidence that comes to light after their death.

I think the statistic is 33 out of 34 alcoholics will die early because of their disease. The 34th will die after a normal life expectancy, but of complications of their disease. The 34th is the functioning alcoholic.

And I also get a kick out of comments like Mormons don't drink, etc. Not anything against Mormons in particular, but 30% of the population has a problem with their drinking, or some substance. Period.

ALSO

I don't see how this situation cannot negatively impact SC's play this coming weekend. Kiffin was fired because he was a douche rocket without a plan, poor SC. The program at SC was two years further into their attempt to recreate the Pete Carol era, brought in an ass-wipe of epic proportions, one that apparently made their former douche rocket pale by any performance standard.

Gentlemen, this one is all on SCum! And it will be as distracting as it comes at every level.

As they say, "It is hard to remember you are there to drain the swamp, when you are up to your asses in alligators!"

 

[irishfan]

Sark could have dropped 70 points against us last year and called off the dogs when it was clear that it was going to be a blowout. Hope he gets better.