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kmoose said:
I'm tired of people claiming to have inside knowledge.

And your animosity toward Brian Kelly is pretty well immortalized on this board. So what's "Shocking" is that you think that Kelly didn't make the decision to fire BVG.

If Kelly called Swarbrick to talk about it, but didn't make the final decision, then that says that someone other than Brian Kelly could have fired VanGorder last year. I don't recall you complaining about anyone else not firing the guy? Your inside source didn't tell you about that?
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I for one, never have inside knowledge, but I can say with 100% certainty that there are members of this board that do.
 
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kmoose said:
I'm tired of people claiming to have inside knowledge.

And your animosity toward Brian Kelly is pretty well immortalized on this board. So what's "Shocking" is that you think that Kelly didn't make the decision to fire BVG.

If Kelly called Swarbrick to talk about it, but didn't make the final decision, then that says that someone other than Brian Kelly could have fired VanGorder last year. I don't recall you complaining about anyone else not firing the guy? Your inside source didn't tell you about that?
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Stupid Mike Frank and his fake insidering.
 
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I expect Keizer to play great.

He doesn't have the pressure of having to bail out defense and Malik is definitely not a threat to his job.

I'm guessing only 3 incompletions and 4 tds
 
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I have an inside source, I just never share what's told to me because I know it's hard to do without sounding un-credible and/or like I'm trying to show "I know something".

I know some ish. I know what Devonte Neal did, Redfield, who fired BVG, etc. But I'll never share or hint at it (until Longo is fired).
 
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I already said I didn't stutter.

Bogs or someone like that said it first. I have heard the same thing.

Additionally, why would you praise your coaching staff 2 days before you decide to fire them? You don't gain anything by doing so.
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Bogs should have said, (if it appears he didn't,) that the final decision came down from above Kelly's pay grade.

Much like what BGIF said.

This is something that was in the works before Saturday night.

Something untoward happened post MSU that really shifted things, and began moving this forward.

So a conversation about semantics is not important.

I believe Saturday night or Sunday morning Kelly called Swarbrick before Swarbrick called Kelly.

Also, I believe that Swarbrick had every avenue explored, all the i's dotted, and t's crossed. So it was a no-brainer. Otherwise, logically, how could things moved from Kelly basically saying that no coaching changes would be made at the post Duke presser, to BVG finding himself fired several hours later. It just doesn't move that fast, if top brass hadn't already worked through the situation.

Do I believe Kelly was given an ultimatum? No, not if Kelly called to expressly talk about removing BVG from his position. But since he decided it best to let BVG go, we won't. Will we?

Do I believe in the same conversation Kelly was put on a performance plan because he ignored a huge problem on his staff, with his team, yes.

See if Swarbrick didn't have everything aligned, and if Kelly had brought firing BVG up out of the blue, it just wouldn't have happened in such a short time-frame, right?

Here is a little something I want to dovetail from another thread :

Wild Bill said:
Kelly's body language made it pretty clear, at least to me, MZ is the backup going into the game and the QB decision may have created division within the locker room.

This question and answer from today's presser...

Q. Lou Holtz was on a radio show this week where he said in his own times he had to look and probe closely to see if there was player dissension within the ranks, whether it's -- it can be taking sides on the quarterback or anything like that. Have you been able to gauge anything on that front?

Brian Kelly: We're 1-3. We're 1-3. Our players aren't that bad. Our coaches are pretty good coaches. I've been doing it for 27 years. Obviously, we're working through some things. We're working through some things and our guys are working through 'em. We're working through 'em, and we think we're going back in the right direction. So I think I've answered that question.
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Now we are getting somewhere!

How many of you watched the 'Cuse presser?

I got the impression from this question, and a number of others including when Kelly talked about how once you considered firing someone it was the real world; how people had careers, mortgages to pay, etc.

I just about got from the presser that the divisions in the locker room, were more coaching oriented, (BVG), than player. In fact, Kelly went on to describe how more players would be playing, because one of the problems (and every case he brought up was a defensive player) was that certain players were being overworked. And when it happened, they were more likely to make a big mistake.

Also, he went on to talk about how much simpler his defense would be, how these kids only had twenty hours to study football, and they had to carry a full course load.

My impressions were that BK saw the problems with the defense, BVG was on the way out the door, maybe at the end of the season. That BK thought the talent was enough to overcome the strife, and the problems. And most importantly, that Kelly had thought about the problems enough to formulate solutions, from pickling Hudson to replace BVG, to simplifying the defense, to playing many more players, to changing some positions, to dealing with the specific weaknesses of BVG's defense against up tempo offenses.

BK was fairly confident with his rollout. Maybe he learned you don't sacrifice your team for a friend. Because that is really what it looks like happened.

Oh, and did BK point the ultimate finger in questioning why Jay Hayes didn't get more play time, by questioning it himself?

So, the reason I believe most of what I have heard is it fits the time-frame set up by admissions, and statements that have come out of the mouths those involved.
 
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koonja said:
I have an inside source, I just never share what's told to me because I know it's hard to do without sounding un-credible and/or like I'm trying to show "I know something".

I know some ish. I know what Devonte Neal did, Redfield, who fired BVG, etc. But I'll never share or hint at it (until Longo is fired).
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haha
 
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koonja said:
I know what Devonte Neal did
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Right now this offense is averaging the second most points in school history... Syracuse has their best offense in last 5 years.. I would bet the over people
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Onwualu says having Brian Kelly around the defense during practice this week has “helped bring a sense of urgency."</p>— Laken Litman (@LakenLitman) <a href="https://twitter.com/LakenLitman/status/781179220638703616">September 28, 2016</a></blockquote>
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How I picture that:

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Sadly guys I think Notre Dame get's embarrassed this game.


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zelezo vlk said:
I would love to match tempo with tempo. Though, for whatever reason, Kelly has been reluctant to do that. Kizer looks damn near unstoppable while running the 2 minute drill.
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Kizer looks good but considering Kelly talked at length about 1) defensive players getting too many snaps (specifically a Studstill wiff on his 67th play), and 2) wanting to reassert Adams/Williams in the run game, I think Kelly is going to try to run the ball early and often.
 
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52-27, ND rolls.
6 different players score TDs.
ND gets 3 sacks, 2 INTs.
 
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Update

Update

Line has ND -10

Over opened at 69.5 now up 5 pts to 74.5.
 
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The over might be the lock of the week. Hell, make it an even hundo.
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
Bogs should have said, (if it appears he didn't,) that the final decision came down from above Kelly's pay grade.

Much like what BGIF said.

This is something that was in the works before Saturday night.

Something untoward happened post MSU that really shifted things, and began moving this forward.

So a conversation about semantics is not important.

I believe Saturday night or Sunday morning Kelly called Swarbrick before Swarbrick called Kelly.

Also, I believe that Swarbrick had every avenue explored, all the i's dotted, and t's crossed. So it was a no-brainer. Otherwise, logically, how could things moved from Kelly basically saying that no coaching changes would be made at the post Duke presser, to BVG finding himself fired several hours later. It just doesn't move that fast, if top brass hadn't already worked through the situation.

Do I believe Kelly was given an ultimatum? No, not if Kelly called to expressly talk about removing BVG from his position. But since he decided it best to let BVG go, we won't. Will we?

Do I believe in the same conversation Kelly was put on a performance plan because he ignored a huge problem on his staff, with his team, yes.

See if Swarbrick didn't have everything aligned, and if Kelly had brought firing BVG up out of the blue, it just wouldn't have happened in such a short time-frame, right?

Here is a little something I want to dovetail from another thread :



Now we are getting somewhere!

How many of you watched the 'Cuse presser?

I got the impression from this question, and a number of others including when Kelly talked about how once you considered firing someone it was the real world; how people had careers, mortgages to pay, etc.

I just about got from the presser that the divisions in the locker room, were more coaching oriented, (BVG), than player. In fact, Kelly went on to describe how more players would be playing, because one of the problems (and every case he brought up was a defensive player) was that certain players were being overworked. And when it happened, they were more likely to make a big mistake.

Also, he went on to talk about how much simpler his defense would be, how these kids only had twenty hours to study football, and they had to carry a full course load.

My impressions were that BK saw the problems with the defense, BVG was on the way out the door, maybe at the end of the season. That BK thought the talent was enough to overcome the strife, and the problems. And most importantly, that Kelly had thought about the problems enough to formulate solutions, from pickling Hudson to replace BVG, to simplifying the defense, to playing many more players, to changing some positions, to dealing with the specific weaknesses of BVG's defense against up tempo offenses.

BK was fairly confident with his rollout. Maybe he learned you don't sacrifice your team for a friend. Because that is really what it looks like happened.

Oh, and did BK point the ultimate finger in questioning why Jay Hayes didn't get more play time, by questioning it himself?

So, the reason I believe most of what I have heard is it fits the time-frame set up by admissions, and statements that have come out of the mouths those involved.
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Good post Bogs. Just to clarify regarding the bold though. BK did mention the disparity of plays between the running backs. Specifically Adams and Williams.
 
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Sherm Sticky said:
Sadly guys I think Notre Dame get's embarrassed this game.
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I hope not.

I'll be watching the game with my twin sis and her hubbie – both Syracuse grads.

I'd rather not be eating humble pie.
 
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