Nov 6 | Navy

[clashmore_mike]

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Navy Midshipmen at Notre Dame Fighting Irish
Notre Dame Stadium
Notre Dame, IN
November 6, 2021
3:30 ET​

 

[irishff1014]

I saw in the news today that a cadets mother was sitting on the balcony of her hotel room and was hit by a stray bullet which killed her.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Awful! Eternal rest grant unto her, O Lord...

 

[ulukinatme]

I saw in the news today that a cadets mother was sitting on the balcony of her hotel room and was hit by a stray bullet which killed her.

This seems super odd...who fired the bullet? Was it a cadet, or someone unaffiliated?

 

[drayer54]

Just bought my tix for the other games and trying to remember if this one goes cheaper towards gameday- should I secure this one now or hold out for a deal?

 

[dublinirish]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1437478481042964480?s=20[/TWEET]

 

[stpeteirish]

Your AD coming in after 2 games and firing an Offensive Co-ordinator whose been there 14 yrs. Then the HC negotiates his reinstatement as QB coach. What a total mess. Have to check their schedule to see if they play UConn, they're the only FBS team the middies could beat.

They had 64 yards total offense vs Air Force. I cannot understand how Ken N could be left without a QB who can run their offense.

 

[rtrn2glory]

What time is the presser today?? Sorry I know I ask this often. I'm expecting to hear that Hamilton isn't playing, but hoping for confirmation.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

What time is the presser today?? Sorry I know I ask this often. I'm expecting to hear that Hamilton isn't playing, but hoping for confirmation.

noon

 

[NDdomer2]

What time is the presser today?? Sorry I know I ask this often. I'm expecting to hear that Hamilton isn't playing, but hoping for confirmation.

I have been thinking about it. I don't think were going to see Kyle Hamilton again this year. I know Kelly said prognosis is good, and I am sure it is from an avoiding surgery standpoint. But a couple things I read in regards to pinched fat pads:

Usually, fat pad inflammation occurs with other knee conditions such as arthritis, patellar tendonitis, and meniscal tears.

Start with simple treatments. These treatments include exercise therapy to reduce the forces on the fat pads, leg stretching to reduce tightness, and taping or bracing the knee. Other effective treatments include shoe modification or orthotics and soft tissue massage. In a small number of cases that fail simple treatments, your doctor may direct a small dose of cortisone into the fat pad to reduce swelling. In cases resistant to cortisone, we consider PRP for fat pad impingement. Surgery such as fat pad removal should be avoided and only used as an absolute last resort. Keyhole surgery is unpredictable and some cases do worse after Hoffa’s fat pad surgery.

So whether out of an abundance of caution or out of need, Kyle is already on the last treatment step before moving to surgery.

So with this in mind, I couldn't help think that when Kelly was also discussing his needing to for Kyle to be coach, that it wasn't part of a larger discussion of his responsibilities to the team if he is choosing to sit out games for the remainder of the season.

Not being able to play changes your perspective. We had a conversation about what the expectations are when you're not playing You are a captain. You've got to be able to leave something at the end of the day. If you're not practicing, you've got to leave something on the field. For him, leave some knowledge. I think he's done a really good job of understanding that. It's different than when you're playing and practicing, where you leave a lot of your conditioning element and learning the game plan. This is a different role for him and I think he's adapted really well.

Then, in an additional looking too much into a quote:

“It’s kind of bittersweet but I know that Kyle will be there for us,” safety DJ Brown said.

What is bittersweet I ask - Is it that they know they wont have him the rest of the year on the field even though he could be playing?

Would love to be wrong, but looking at the remainder of the schedule I don't necessarily see a need for him to come back. Then are you really going to play in a bowl game 2+ months from your last? I dont think so.

 

[stpeteirish]

Your AD coming in after 2 games and firing an Offensive Co-ordinator whose been there 14 yrs. Then the HC negotiates his reinstatement as QB coach. What a total mess. Have to check their schedule to see if they play UConn, they're the only FBS team the middies could beat.

They had 64 yards total offense vs Air Force. I cannot understand how Ken N could be left without a QB who can run their offense.

This has been turned around. They do have a QB now who can run their offense and they are now similar to other Navy teams; capable of playing keep away with almost exclusively runs between the tackles. Defense is also typical Navy, can keep a run game under control but nothing but zone in the back end. People are open underneath. They rely on teams getting greedy and an occasional negative play to get off the field.

I'm looking forward to the usual "why don't we RTDB we outweigh them by XX lbs." That's exactly what they want you to do.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

What time is the presser today?? Sorry I know I ask this often. I'm expecting to hear that Hamilton isn't playing, but hoping for confirmation.

If KH does return, I doubt it will be this week against Navy. Considering it's a lower body injury against those chop blocks, I don't think it would be a good idea to trot out a guy who isn't 100%, if that even is their/his intent to return this season.

IF he isn't 100%, I'd much prefer they hold him back this week and get him ready/full-go for Charlottesville next week.

However, my gut still tells me that we've seen our last of him in an Irish uniform...

 

[IRISHMAN]

anyone else worried about navy's run game. NDs defense hasn't been playing well against the run the last few weeks and again NDs defense seems to have a tackling problem. NDs offense has seemed to turn the corner thanks to the OL improvement so im hoping ND can jump on navy early and put this game away like they did in 2019.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

anyone else worried about navy's run game. NDs defense hasn't been playing well against the run the last few weeks and again NDs defense seems to have a tackling problem. NDs offense has seemed to turn the corner thanks to the OL improvement so im hoping ND can jump on navy early and put this game away like they did in 2019.

There's really nothing else to be worried about when it comes to playing Navy...

But yes, tackling needs to be dramatically improved this Saturday or we may be in for yet another frustrating match up with the Middies.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Can we win 52-7, is that too much to ask?

 

[Dale]

Against Wisconsin we did this:

Foskey - 35, Justin A - 38
Cross (Hinish was out)
Jayson A
MTA

Kiser - 57, Pryor - 3
White
Bertrand

Botelho - 29

Hamilton
Griffith - 31

So Justin A played way more, Kiser played way more and Botelho basically took off a S at times.

 

[Rudy89]

Defense has to be ready or we will be upset

 

[dad4aa]

So let me get this right....many on this board are hoping for a NY6 bowl (or CFP) which will be against a pretty good team...and we need to step up our game or we could lose to a 2-6 Navy team. Got it.

 

[Rudy89]

So let me get this right....many on this board are hoping for a NY6 bowl (or CFP) which will be against a pretty good team...and we need to step up our game or we could lose to a 2-6 Navy team. Got it.

Not me, I’m glad we have the record we have but I do not feel we are worthy of either….if we do make it well unfortunately we will see the gap in talent like we have the previous times. We never get a favorable match up in the ny6

 

[Valpodoc85]

One thing about Navy they will be assignment correct. If we miss assignments it will be a long day. I curious to see how Freeman deals with the option. I don’t understand the difference between Lea and Freeman well enough to know which style should work better.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

One thing about Navy they will be assignment correct. If we miss assignments it will be a long day. I curious to see how Freeman deals with the option. I don’t understand the difference between Lea and Freeman well enough to know which style should work better.

Kelly is 8-2 against Navy. The only two losses came in his first year against Diaco's ultra rigid 3-4 and in 2016 after BvG had already been fired and Greg Hudson took over that flaming pile of a defense.

Conventional wisdom is that Navy does best against a "read and react" 3-4, and does worst against an aggressive 4-3 that shoots gaps and doesn't give them time to make the reads they need to. Elko and Lea ran a relatively reactive "bend don't break" 4-2-5 that handled the Midshipmen pretty comfortably the last three times we played. Freeman's defense is more aggressive and "multiple", which should in theory be an advantage against Navy.

If this game is uncomfortably close, it's more likely to be due to injuries and fatigue catching up with us than scheme.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Kelly is 8-2 against Navy. The only two losses came in his first year against Diaco's ultra rigid 3-4 and in 2016 after BvG had already been fired and Greg Hudson took over that flaming pile of a defense.

Conventional wisdom is that Navy does best against a "read and react" 3-4, and does worst against an aggressive 4-3 that shoots gaps and doesn't give them time to make the reads they need to. Elko and Lea ran a relatively reactive "bend don't break" 4-2-5 that handled the Midshipmen pretty comfortably the last three times we played. Freeman's defense is more aggressive and "multiple", which should in theory be an advantage against Navy.

If this game is uncomfortably close, it's more likely to be due to injuries and fatigue catching up with us than scheme.

Don't forget that Coach Ken challenged a play that could not be challenged, which even the announcers said, and the call was overturned, which sealed the game for Navy.

 

[IRISHMAN]

Conventional wisdom is that Navy does best against a "read and react" 3-4, and does worst against an aggressive 4-3 that shoots gaps and doesn't give them time to make the reads they need to. Elko and Lea ran a relatively reactive "bend don't break" 4-2-5 that handled the Midshipmen pretty comfortably the last three times we played. Freeman's defense is more aggressive and "multiple", which should in theory be an advantage against Navy.

i've always have been a fan of attacking the option before it starts and shoot the gaps.

so if ND wins the coin toss should ND take the ball or kickoff and receive the 2nd half kick? if ND takes the ball to start the game then you risk navy having the ball to end the 1st half and then to start the 2nd half, it would give navy a chance to double dip. but if you win the toss and elect to receive the 2nd half kick and go into halftime with the lead then get the ball and extend that lead. im sure if ND wins the coin toss BK will elect to take the ball my only worry is ND then going 3 and out and blowing a possession.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

i've always have been a fan of attacking the option before it starts and shoot the gaps.

so if ND wins the coin toss should ND take the ball or kickoff and receive the 2nd half kick? if ND takes the ball to start the game then you risk navy having the ball to end the 1st half and then to start the 2nd half, it would give navy a chance to double dip. but if you win the toss and elect to receive the 2nd half kick and go into halftime with the lead then get the ball and extend that lead. im sure if ND wins the coin toss BK will elect to take the ball my only worry is ND then going 3 and out and blowing a possession.

I'm sure we'll elect to receive if given the option, as that's what Kelly has done all season. I doubt it'll matter much either way. We just need to be efficient offensively. If we're ending most of our drives with 6+ points, it won't matter how much clock Navy chews as they won't be able to keep up. But if we turn it over or shoot ourselves in the foot with penalties, it'll give them an opening.

Regardless, ND is long past the days when we had to worry about losing to a 2-6 Navy squad. We'll be fine.

 

[anarin]

Last time Freeman saw Navy he held them to 124 yards and a 2.4 average. And that was the 2nd time he saw them with the first being his baptism.

I would say that this bodes well for ND. He'll have a gameplan in place.

 

[tko]

Hopefully we don't see defensively lineman standing up waiting to have their kneecaps detached.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Keenan Reynolds or Malcom Perry aren't on this team. We will be fine

 

[dublinirish]

Keenan Reynolds or Malcom Perry aren't on this team. We will be fine

Alexander Teich?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Alexander Teich?

There's a Navy/Edward Teach joke in there somewhere.

 

[Irishize]

Keenan Reynolds or Malcom Perry aren't on this team. We will be fine

What about Will Worth? Just kidding…sort of.