Notre Dame to the B1G Conference?

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No not at all. I’m saying where all of this is going is a single 16-20 super conference that includes the best teams in the country with markets that produce the most eyeballs. That’s the end game. All this is just delaying the inevitable. There is no reason for the Vanderbilts to make the same payout as Alabama

I disagree. Iowa vs Minnesota fills programming needs for 3:00 on FS1. Again you really only need 2-3 big games a week if you’re Fox not every single game to be mandatory national viewing, and the teams need someone to beat. How many teams do you think are supremely confident they justify their pay in a league with no bottom feeders? It’d guess it’s not 20. It’s more like 5.
 

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I don't want ND in any conference.... BUT I feel it might be in their best interest to go into the B1G
 

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Probably b/c it's too soon to know. But yes that's looming over all of this, and playoff access has to be in the calculus of not just Notre Dame but all the lesser conferences and any team with real title aspirations who's currently in one of them. (Clemson, for instance).
I've even seen floated a scenario where the Big Ten and SEC eventually just set up their own playoff and tell the rest of college football to go pound sand.
My whole point is this is the end game. There just isnt any reason for all this media money to be paid out to the Vanderbilts and Rutgers when what we as fans all want is the best to play the best and what all media wants is for all of that to be seen by as many eyeballs ( advertisement revenue, etc) as possible. The lesser teams with smaller markets can get their own contracts with media but they wont earn as much because they don't bring as much to the table. In my mind it wont end up being the SEC or BIG kicking teams out, they will just create a new super conference invite only based on media rights, marketability and eyballs
 

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I disagree. Iowa vs Minnesota fills programming needs for 3:00 on FS1. Again you really only need 2-3 big games a week if you’re Fox not every single game to be mandatory national viewing, and the teams need someone to beat. How many teams do you think are supremely confident they justify their pay in a league with no bottom feeders? It’d guess it’s not 20. It’s more like 5.
See my post above. None of this explanation requires Iowa or Minn to BE in the same conference as OSU or Michigan. The smaller market teams and less affluent teams can have contracts with media outlets....the reality is they are parasites ( for lack of better term) really.

If the super league is the top 16-20 teams then they almost all justify their payouts as currently reported. No way Vanderbilt or Rutgers should get the same amount of money as ND or Michigan or OSU or Alabama/Texas A&M/UGA .

Sure FS1 can broadcast them but those FS1 execs are likely figuring out ways to not pay Rutgers versus Nebraska the same money as Alabama versus LSU. The discrepancy in commanding advertising money is perceptibly significant. Is also expect the ADs of the bigger more affluent teams are also not excited about having to shell out 50-100 mil to bottom feeders in the conference when they could double or triple their amount by making a super conference.
 
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Probably b/c it's too soon to know. But yes that's looming over all of this, and playoff access has to be in the calculus of not just Notre Dame but all the lesser conferences and any team with real title aspirations who's currently in one of them. (Clemson, for instance).
I've even seen floated a scenario where the Big Ten and SEC eventually just set up their own playoff and tell the rest of college football to go pound sand.
Agreed. Its for sure too soon but I cant believe all this talk isnt influenced by this over arching specter of the end goal for both media and football teams
 

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I feel like we have to make the move for the sake of other teams if the ACC is close to dissolving. None of the other sports can function as independents.
 

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Here is my take on Rutgers and Maryland. They are necessary for the following reasons:

1. Money/Media Markets
2. Recruiting

Playing a game @ Maryland may not sound exciting, but it is giving teams a chance to showcase their brands to recruits in the DMV.

If only the top teams existed in a conference, while that sounds exciting, there are downsides. Someone has to lose games. If Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, USC and the like only played each other every year, not everyone can go 12-0, 11-1 or 10-2. Someone has to go 1-11, 2-10, 3-9 and the like. The overall conference record of everyone combined is .500 - half wins and half losses. To have multiple great teams, you must have sacrificial lambs.

Playing Rutgers or Maryland is still better than playing Oregon State or Washington State. At least you get exposure to recruits in NY/NJ and the DMV.
 

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See my post above. None of this explanation requires Iowa or Minn to BE in the same conference as OSU or Michigan. The smaller market teams and less affluent teams can have contracts with media outlets....the reality is they are parasites ( for lack of better term) really.

If the super league is the top 16-20 teams then they almost all justify their payouts as currently reported. No way Vanderbilt or Rutgers should get the same amount of money as ND or Michigan or OSU or Alabama/Texas A&M/UGA .

Sure FS1 can broadcast them but those FS1 execs are likely figuring out ways to not pay Rutgers versus Nebraska the same money as Alabama versus LSU. The discrepancy in commanding advertising money is perceptibly significant. Is also expect the ADs of the bigger more affluent teams are also not excited about having to shell out 50-100 mil to bottom feeders in the conference when they could double or triple their amount by making a super conference.

Okay but that’s again like 5, 8 teams not enough to field a conference. There just isn’t 20 teams that can exist in the conference you’re describing. I don’t think the end game of creating a 8 team conference that has to pay to schedule OOC games is more advantageous then just having it under one roof.
 

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Okay but that’s again like 5, 8 teams not enough to field a conference. There just isn’t 20 teams that can exist in the conference you’re describing. I don’t think the end game of creating a 8 team conference that has to pay to schedule OOC games is more advantageous then just having it under one roof.
the top 6 teams from the SEC
Top 6 teams from the BIG
Top 3-4 Teams from Pac 12
Top 3-4 teams from ACC

equals 20 teams and 80% of all tv markets for CFB football.= 1super confernce of top tier football teams and almost all major markets.
 

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the top 6 teams from the SEC
Top 6 teams from the BIG
Top 3-4 Teams from Pac 12
Top 3-4 teams from ACC

equals 20 teams and 80% of all tv markets for CFB football.= 1super confernce of top tier football teams and almost all major markets.
Oh come on we all know there are at least ten teams in the SEC that matter more than any team in the Pac-12.
 

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the top 6 teams from the SEC
Top 6 teams from the BIG
Top 3-4 Teams from Pac 12
Top 3-4 teams from ACC

equals 20 teams and 80% of all tv markets for CFB football.= 1super confernce of top tier football teams and almost all major markets.

I think there’s almost no chance Tennessee or Michigan St want part of a conference like that, nor do they bring anywhere close to the revenue of Alabama, ND etc so that conference still would have parasites, parasites that would be signing up to gut there own programs.
 

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Bama
LSU
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Texas
Florida
Georgia
Tennessee ( maybe)

OSU
Michigan
PSU
Iowa
Michigan St

FSU
Clemson
Miami
UNC
Duke

USC
UCLA
Oregon
Utah

ND

This could be the superconfernce Maybe make it 24 teams
 
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If true, this is a big mistake IMO.
I don’t see any real world way that staying independent benefits Notre Dame.

If it’s true, I hope they had a good justification beyond “Notre Dame is supposed to be independent.” That ain’t worth how much money they stand to lose out on.
 

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I think there’s almost no chance Tennessee or Michigan St want part of a conference like that, nor do they bring anywhere close to the revenue of Alabama, ND etc so that conference still would have parasites, parasites that would be signing up to gut there own programs.
Again who cares if they do or dont. They dont have to be included nor are they required for other schools to make a superconference... Not sure why this is a hard concept to grasp. If they dont bring in eyeballs and arent marketable they arent included.
 

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My whole point is this is the end game. There just isnt any reason for all this media money to be paid out to the Vanderbilts and Rutgers when what we as fans all want is the best to play the best and what all media wants is for all of that to be seen by as many eyeballs ( advertisement revenue, etc) as possible. The lesser teams with smaller markets can get their own contracts with media but they wont earn as much because they don't bring as much to the table. In my mind it wont end up being the SEC or BIG kicking teams out, they will just create a new super conference invite only based on media rights, marketability and eyballs
Another thing fans want is upsets and upstarts. Surprises. When Purdue knocks off Ohio State or some middleweight like Minnesota has an unexpectedly great season, it generates excitement, and not just for the fans of the team involved. That's the magic of college football. The TV folks know this and they don't want a system that squeezes out even the possibility of that sort of thing. Which the One Great Superleague would do.
 

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Again who cares if they do or dont. They dont have to be included nor are they required for other schools to make a superconference... Not sure why this is a hard concept to grasp.
I grasp the concept. I just don’t think nearly as many schools sign up for or fit the bill you’re describing, it’s less than 10 probably closer to 5. Agree to disagree.
 

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Nobody knows anything but again from the guy I’m telling myself does know
 

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Another thing fans want is upsets and upstarts. Surprises. When Purdue knocks off Ohio State or some middleweight like Minnesota has an unexpectedly great season, it generates excitement, and not just for the fans of the team involved. That's the magic of college football. The TV folks know this and they don't want a system that squeezes out even the possibility of that sort of thing. Which the One Great Superleague would do.
Dont hear about this kind of thing in the NFL.
 

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Some in this thread have certainly nailed it if this guy is correct in terms of hurdles and sticking points mentioned here and above
 

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I grasp the concept. I just don’t think nearly as many schools sign up for or fit the bill you’re describing, it’s less than 10 probably closer to 5. Agree to disagree.
Thats fine. Lets say the total pot of revenue available is the combined tv rights deal of SEC and BIG. $2 billion for example. 25 teams share $2 billion. Hell lets just say they get 85% of it $1.7 billion . You telling me that you wouldnt want to be a part of that? that money could go straight into facilities and paying players lol...
 

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Dont hear about this kind of thing in the NFL.
I know it's extremely lucrative but the NFL sucks. And if people want to watch the NFL they'll watch the NFL. College football should stick - best it can anyway - to what makes college football unique (and vastly more fun), part of which is the fact that heavyweights have to play lesser opponents and don't always win.
 

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Nobody knows anything but again from the guy I’m telling myself does know

NBC was already bidding for part of the B1G media rights even before expansion. They wanted to double up with Irish and B1G games back to back. NBC might be at the front of the line now if the Irish join the B1G. Maybe part of the negotiations going on now would be for Irish home games to air on NBC and Irish away conference games to air on FOX. So far, the BTN has aired at least one regular season game for each team. With so many teams in the B1G, maybe that goes away. At most, it’s the non-conference game vs. a Group of 5 team.
 

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Thats fine. Lets say the total pot of revenue available is the combined tv rights deal of SEC and BIG. $2 billion for example. 25 teams share $2 billion. Hell lets just say they get 85% of it $1.7 billion . You telling me that you wouldnt want to be a part of that? that money could go straight into facilities and paying players lol...
Someone has to lose the games. And the teams that lose will be less valuable and then in this world kicked to the curb. So no I don’t believe that many teams are confident in the long term sustainability of it.
 

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I disagree. Iowa vs Minnesota fills programming needs for 3:00 on FS1. Again you really only need 2-3 big games a week if you’re Fox not every single game to be mandatory national viewing, and the teams need someone to beat. How many teams do you think are supremely confident they justify their pay in a league with no bottom feeders? It’d guess it’s not 20. It’s more like 5.
I'm with you. The premier league type model there sounds like a great way to kill many programs AND harm big ones too. Playing big names every week sounds fun until even the best teams are losing 3 games/year and some really good programs fall hard and turn into perennial 3-5 win teams.
 

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Yeah let's all be honest, we love seeing our favorite team curb stomp another team even if we know they are inferior competition.
 

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I think this tweet is especially salient.

EVERYTHING will be covered in their agreement. I have full faith Swarbrick and his team and the BoD will not leave a stone unturned. This will not be like the ACC GoR contract that is 5 pages assembled by the chicken lawyer from Futurama.

Every aspect of participating as a major college athletic program will be covered and both ND and the B1G will be in agreement on every aspect or there will be no deal at this time.
 

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Bama
LSU
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Texas
Florida
Georgia
Tennessee ( maybe)

OSU
Michigan
PSU
Iowa
Michigan St

FSU
Clemson
Miami
UNC
Duke

USC
UCLA
Oregon
Utah

ND

This could be the superconfernce Maybe make it 24 teams
Need to add Wiscy, Baylor, Louisville, Pitt, BYU, Cincy, OK State, and remove Duke in my opinion. I'd find a way to get to 32 and make 4 divisions of 8 teams. 8 regular season games against divisional opponents, 4 non-divisional games on a rotating basis, winner of each division goes to the Final Four. Or you can create a playoff system like the NFL.

I'm not advocating for blowing up college football as we know it, but if it's going to happen, I hope it's something like this.
Dont hear about this kind of thing in the NFL.

Sure you do: Cincy Bengals just about pulled it off last year and it was Thee story of the post season.
 
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