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[Wild Bill]

Players I would have kept over Saad (an exhaustive list):

1) Toews

Whoa....kane and keith?

 

[#1rish]

Saad probably had an offer sheet too that CHI wouldn't have been able to match. Traded him for more than they would have got as compensation from th offer sheet. (Anything between 5M and 7M would have gotten the Hawks 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks.)

 

[BobbyMac]

Players I would have kept over Saad (an exhaustive list):

1) Toews

In a world without a cap 100% agree. In the real world, 100% disagree.

Saad probably had an offer sheet too that CHI wouldn't have been able to match. Traded him for more than they would have got as compensation from th offer sheet. (Anything between 5M and 7M would have gotten the Hawks 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks.)

$6.5m was the number. Traded Saad for Dano before the offers hit tomorrow. Sucks but like I said above, in the Bowman's I trust.

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[BobbyMac]

Kinda feel like Horace Grant just signed with the Magic all over again...

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[IrishinSyria]

Whoa....kane and keith?

Glad you asked. Yes, including Kane and Keith. Keith, IMO, is the closer call. He's definitely a better player, in fact I think he's the best defenseman since Lidstrom, but the 9 year age differential makes me lean towards Saad.

Kane is also a better player, but if Saad was asking for 6.5 mil/year, Kane's 4 mil/year more expensive than him. Kane's great, but I'd rather have Saad + a 4 mil/year player than Kane by himself. Saad also does so much more than Kane- he's good on the PK, might accelerate better than anyone in the game, and is solid in the defensive end.

Saad probably had an offer sheet too that CHI wouldn't have been able to match. Traded him for more than they would have got as compensation from th offer sheet. (Anything between 5M and 7M would have gotten the Hawks 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks.)

This is exactly what Bowman is saying. I question whether we really got better value than a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd though. I guess he's really high on Anisimov, but I don't see it.

Who knows though, not going to complain about a man who built this team, but I don't think he's ever lost a Saad caliber player before either.

 

[IrishinSyria]

In a world without a cap 100% agree. In the real world, 100% disagree.

To be clear, I pretty much meant I would trade Kane+his cap hit > Saad and his cap hit.

 

[Wild Bill]

Glad you asked. Yes, including Kane and Keith. Keith, IMO, is the closer call. He's definitely a better player, in fact I think he's the best defenseman since Lidstrom, but the 9 year age differential makes me lean towards Saad.

Kane is also a better player, but if Saad was asking for 6.5 mil/year, Kane's 4 mil/year more expensive than him. Kane's great, but I'd rather have Saad + a 4 mil/year player than Kane by himself. Saad also does so much more than Kane- he's good on the PK, might accelerate better than anyone in the game, and is solid in the defensive end.

I guess the question is how much better is Kane. Saad had the luxury of playing on the same line as Toews and Hossa (Kane, Sharp and others at times too) his entire career. They attracted a ton of attention and gave him plenty of opportunities to score and look good. Don't get me wrong, I think Saad is really good. I'm just curious how he'll play when Toews and Hossa aren't next to him.

 

[BobbyMac]

To be clear, I pretty much meant I would trade Kane+his cap hit > Saad and his cap hit.

I feel ya. You'd have to eat too much $$$ to make it happen. I get the feeling everybody else thinks Kaner is overpaid and would NEVER pay him that. I do agree from a production and all around game aspect with what you said about Saad. BUT Hockey is a business that is more than what happens on the ice and there would be a full on fan revolt if Kaner got the bus out of town. Th original core works, just keep adding Cup Chasers and developing future Saads like Teravainen and Dano.

I've second guessed Bobby Knight, Lou Holtz even Phil Jackson now that he's with the Knicks. I'll never second guess the Bowmans after winning 3 Cups with 2 1/2 different teams.

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[IrishinSyria]

I guess the question is how much better is Kane. Saad had the luxury of playing on the same line as Toews and Hossa (Kane, Sharp and others at times too) his entire career. They attracted a ton of attention and gave him plenty of opportunities to score and look good. Don't get me wrong, I think Saad is really good. I'm just curious how he'll play when Toews and Hossa aren't next to him.

In terms of potential, I think Saad's a top 5 player in the league: his combination of size, speed, and puck control is deadly. I will readily admit that I value him more than most.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I feel ya. You'd have to eat too much $$$ to make it happen. I get the feeling everybody else thinks Kaner is overpaid and would NEVER pay him that. I do agree from a production and all around game aspect with what you said about Saad. BUT Hockey is a business that is more than what happens on the ice and there would be a full on fan revolt if Kaner got the bus out of town. Th original core works, just keep adding Cup Chasers and developing future Saads like Teravainen and Dano.

I've second guessed Bobby Knight, Lou Holtz even Phil Jackson now that he's with the Knicks. I'll never second guess the Bowmans after winning 3 Cups with 2 1/2 different teams.

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I actually think you're right. Kane's value to the franchise goes way beyond the rink, and the Hawks can't move him even if he is overpaid (and he is).

I'm complaining today, but you're absolutely right about Bowman: he's more than proven his worth, and some of his most difficult decisions have paid off big time down the road. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

 

[KPENN]

In terms of potential, I think Saad's a top 5 player in the league: his combination of size, speed, and puck control is deadly. I will readily admit that I value him more than most.

He's a good player but no way.

 

[IrishinSyria]

He's a good player but no way.

Eh, maybe not top 5, but he's up there. Certainly, putting him in the top 40 salaries (6.5 mil) is less of a stretch than Kane at #1.

 

[Wild Bill]

In terms of potential, I think Saad's a top 5 player in the league: his combination of size, speed, and puck control is deadly. I will readily admit that I value him more than most.

Like the Hawks and Saad, I think we're just too far apart here. Saad is a first line forward, no doubt. I'm not certain he is elite though.

We just saw three guys with more potential on Tampa - Stamkos, Hedman and Johnson. I'd take Tarasenko, Forsberg, Mackinnon, Tavares, Seguin, and Karlsson over him too.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Like the Hawks and Saad, I think we're just too far apart here. Saad is a first line forward, no doubt. I'm not certain he is elite though.

We just saw three guys with more potential on Tampa - Stamkos, Hedman and Johnson. I'd take Tarasenko, Forsberg, Mackinnon, Tavares, Seguin, and Karlsson over him too.

I'll grant you Stamkos, Hedman, Tavares, and *maybe* Seguin, while also throwing in Doughty.

But I think all of them belong in the same conversation.

 

[blueNDgold44]

Saad is no doubt a great player but there are at least ~20 players ahead of him.

 

[KPENN]

I'll grant you Stamkos, Hedman, Tavares, and *maybe* Seguin, while also throwing in Doughty.

But I think all of them belong in the same conversation.

Giroux, Kopitar, Benn, Karlson, Subban, Bergeron, Toews, Kane,

 

[IrishinSyria]

Giroux, Kopitar, Benn, Karlson, Subban, Bergeron, Toews, Kane,

eh, I said potential, not current playing level. Guys like Giroux, Bergeron and Kopitar are in the prime of their career. Saad's 22. He'll be better.

 

[Crazy Balki]

So I guess this means Sharpy is staying?

 

[Emcee77]

Ugh, I am so bummed. Such an unfortunate turn of events.

It sounds like Bowman had no choice because the parties were just way too far apart during contract negotiations, and I think the Hawks picked up some good players. Anisimov is a good fit. Q seems to like putting big, athletic forwards on the ice with Kane, so I like how he might fit in there. Dano is promising.

And, I know he's kind of an afterthought, but I always liked Morin when he was with the Hawks. IIRC, he really stepped up at the end of the 2014 regular season when Kane and Toews were both out and we needed somebody to provide some offensive production. I know things went south between him and Q last fall, but hopefully a fresh start will make a difference.

In terms of potential, I think Saad's a top 5 player in the league: his combination of size, speed, and puck control is deadly. I will readily admit that I value him more than most.

I might agree, if we put the emphasis on "potential." Saad has elite athleticism, and at 22 he is only going to get better. This is a really tough loss. Not blaming Bowman for it, I'm sure he did all he could do, but it still sucks.

 

[ACamp1900]

Pens just landed Kessel

 

[blueNDgold44]

Sharp to Dallas

 

[Emcee77]

Sharp to Dallas

It was a sad day for Hawks fans. But the salary cap is what it is.

And now Oduya is a Dallas Star too. I certainly can't blame him; he got a nice contract from them.

If the Olympic shootout didn't make you a T.J. Oshie fan, this might do the Capitals' T.J. Oshie sends care package to fan after viral meltdown - CBSSports.com

 

[KPENN]

Hexy making moves

 

[ACamp1900]

I have loved what my pens have done thus far, still waiting for more defense tho...

 

[KPENN]

I have loved what my pens have done thus far, still waiting for more defense tho...

As much as it pains me to say this, yeah they've been killing it. That Sutter trade was robbery.

 

[twig21]

I have loved what my pens have done thus far, still waiting for more defense tho...

They sure have a lot of cap money spent on forwards. They either are going to make some moves as they head into camp in regards to acquiring some defense or win some 6-5 games. They will be exciting though. Should be a really fun team to watch.

 

[KPENN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Report: Blackhawks' Patrick Kane is subject of rape investigation; no charges have been filed. <a href="http://t.co/WZNTzVu7qZ">http://t.co/WZNTzVu7qZ</a> <a href="http://t.co/430lPYX04P">pic.twitter.com/430lPYX04P</a></p>— theScore (@theScore) <a href="https://twitter.com/theScore/status/629335145120530432">August 6, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[BobbyMac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Report: Blackhawks' Patrick Kane is subject of rape investigation; no charges have been filed. <a href="http://t.co/WZNTzVu7qZ">http://t.co/WZNTzVu7qZ</a> <a href="http://t.co/430lPYX04P">pic.twitter.com/430lPYX04P</a></p>— theScore (@theScore) <a href="https://twitter.com/theScore/status/629335145120530432">August 6, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Should have stayed home and shot a wrister.




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[Ndaccountant]

Should have stayed home and shot a wrister.




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nope

 

[gkIrish]

Police confirm investigation into alleged incident at Chicago Blackhawks forward Patrick Kane's house