ND's Talking Heads ... The good, bad & ugly

[IrishLion]

Where did you get this idea from. From everything he’s shown us he can’t throw the ball accurately down field all he can do is run. Honestly Andrew Hendrix is more of a Qb that him at least he threw it. I’m so over quarterbacks who run, Notre Dame needs a tall Qb with touch that can if he has to pull it and run for a first down.

 

[Bluto]

Where did you get this idea from. From everything he’s shown us he can’t throw the ball accurately down field all he can do is run. Honestly Andrew Hendrix is more of a Qb that him at least he threw it. I’m so over quarterbacks who run, Notre Dame needs a tall Qb with touch that can if he has to pull it and run for a first down.

I seem to recall he hit Austin last year on a deep ball down the sideline that was a perfect throw. So, he has in fact shown that he can do it. Maybe not consistently at this point.

Crazy how quickly people are to write off these young QBs when it is the position that requires by far the most development in the game. I mean look at what Hooker, Bo Nix, Dugan and Martinez are doing this season. I’m pretty sure nobody predicted all of those guys would be playing at the levels they are.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

I seem to recall he hit Austin last year on a deep ball down the sideline that was a perfect throw. So, he has in fact shown that he can do it. Maybe not consistently at this point.

Crazy how quickly people are to write off these young QBs when it is the position that requires by far the most development in the game. I mean look at what Hooker, Bo Nix, Dugan and Martinez are doing this season. I’m pretty sure nobody predicted all of those guys would be playing at the levels they are.

I hit a shot from 3 point range in gym class in HS.... Doth not maketh me a basketball player

 

[dublinirish]

Crazy how quickly people are to write off these young QBs when it is the position that requires by far the most development in the game. I mean look at what Hooker, Bo Nix, Dugan and Martinez are doing this season. I’m pretty sure nobody predicted all of those guys would be playing at the levels they are.

ah sure look at what McCarthy is doing with his Middle Schooler Body at SCUM

 

[stlnd01]

I seem to recall he hit Austin last year on a deep ball down the sideline that was a perfect throw. So, he has in fact shown that he can do it. Maybe not consistently at this point.

Crazy how quickly people are to write off these young QBs when it is the position that requires by far the most development in the game. I mean look at what Hooker, Bo Nix, Dugan and Martinez are doing this season. I’m pretty sure nobody predicted all of those guys would be playing at the levels they are.

Yep. He made some very nice throws last year. He has an arm. We didn't see that in his two games this season, it's true, perhaps in large part because the middle of our offensive line was a sieve and he had about one second to throw. He has started two games, and he has three years of eligibility remaining. A little patience is OK here.

I'm not saying we shouldn't take a transfer. We absolutely should. But - unless that transfer is a bona fide stud (not someone who can't start on his current middling team, like, say, Kedon Slovis) - we shouldn't promise him the job over Buchner. Have an open competition.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Where did you get this idea from. From everything he’s shown us he can’t throw the ball accurately down field all he can do is run. Honestly Andrew Hendrix is more of a Qb that him at least he threw it. I’m so over quarterbacks who run, Notre Dame needs a tall Qb with touch that can if he has to pull it and run for a first down.

Is this a joke?

Andrew Hendrix was 25/58 in his ND career. His junior year he completed 14.3% of his passes (2/14). He transferred to Miami (OH) where he completed 48.5% of his passes.

Tyler Buchner has completed 56.0% of his passes this season. He completed 60.0% of his passes last season.

 

[Huntr]

I'm about 15 minutes into the latest II pod and Prister is saying that he was given a tip prior to the Cuse game that the reffing was going to be against ND.

"Pre-game, in our Instant Analysis, we said 'Watch out for how this game is called.'"

"It wasn't a hunch. It was a tip. I was told it [the game] was going to be officiated that way."


Seems like a big deal considering how the refs absolutely hosed ND with bad calls and declining to review plays multiple times.

 

[ColinKSU]

I'm about 15 minutes into the latest II pod and Prister is saying that he was given a tip prior to the Cuse game that the reffing was going to be against ND.

"Pre-game, in our Instant Analysis, we said 'Watch out for how this game is called.'"

"It wasn't a hunch. It was a tip. I was told it [the game] was going to be officiated that way."


Seems like a big deal considering how the refs absolutely hosed ND with bad calls and declining to review plays multiple times.

I noticed that as well. “The ACC refs have literally decided to hose Notre Dame before the game even started” seems like a pretty wild thing to just casually drop.

 

[greyhammer90]

I noticed that as well. “The ACC refs have literally decided to hose Notre Dame before the game even started” seems like a pretty wild thing to just casually drop.

That was a crazy peek behind the curtain and I'm surprised it's not gotten more play elsewhere. It's a pretty massive allegation.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm about 15 minutes into the latest II pod and Prister is saying that he was given a tip prior to the Cuse game that the reffing was going to be against ND.

"Pre-game, in our Instant Analysis, we said 'Watch out for how this game is called.'"

"It wasn't a hunch. It was a tip. I was told it [the game] was going to be officiated that way."


Seems like a big deal considering how the refs absolutely hosed ND with bad calls and declining to review plays multiple times.

Dino spent a week or two complaining to the ACC about how often his team is penalized vs how often their opposition is penalized.

Even though it's due to his team's discipline, the way ACC officiating works is that once the squeaky wheel sends in enough video review material along with a complaint, they'll throw a few friendly flags their way.

It's the idea of a 'make up call' to the extreme.

I get that refs sometimes know they blew a call, so they address it without destroying the flow of the game. They might miss a pass interference penalty in the moment and know they screwed up, so they throw a 5-yard illegal contact flag the next time a DB brushes a WR. It might not be the same drive, and the damage might be done, but it's a legit way to try and balance the scales a bit without fixing the result.

But screwing an opposing team for 3 quarters of a game in order to appease a conference coach? That's wild.

Makes it more satisfying in way, though, because you know Dino is going to watch the film, see how much his team benefited, and STILL got beat like a drum.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

That was a crazy peak behind the curtain and I'm surprised it's not gotten more play elsewhere. It's a pretty massive allegation.

Did they ever elaborate on that tip? Because the tip-giver's basis for saying that makes a big difference.

 

[Dale]

Did they ever elaborate on that tip? Because the tip-giver's basis for saying that makes a big difference.

Basically sounded like an evening of the score. Cuse got called for more penalties against Clemson > Cuse will have the penalty advantage the next week.

Probably because it’s “fair” for a dumb end of year referee report probably to say Cuse doesn’t get called for too many penalties compared to everyone else.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Basically sounded like an evening of the score. Cuse got called for more penalties against Clemson > Cuse will have the penalty advantage the next week.

Probably because it’s “fair” for a dumb end of year referee report probably to say Cuse doesn’t get called for too many penalties compared to everyone else.

Right, but did the person who gave that tip have actual knowledge that the ACC met with officials and told them to lay off Syracuse this week?

Or was it some rando saying it's gonna happen but their basis is just that they watched the presser and speculated? Then II only gives it credence because it was confirmed in hindsight?

There's a huge difference between those scenarios.

 

[Dale]

Right, but did the person who gave that tip have actual knowledge that the ACC met with officials and told them to lay off Syracuse this week?

Or was it some rando saying it's gonna happen but their basis is just that they watched the presser and speculated? Then II only gives it credence because it was confirmed in hindsight?

There's a huge difference between those scenarios.

I think actual knowledge. They printed something before the game that alluded to it.

 

[Dale]

“Can the Irish get the Orange to revert to their penalty-prone ways? Syracuse is tied for last in the FBS with an average of 9.6 flags per game. The ACC officiating crew heard complaints from Babers following the Clemson game, so it would not come as a surprise if some “evening of the score” takes place during the Notre Dame-Syracuse game. Keep a keen eye out for that.”

Irish Illustrated Preview: Notre Dame @ Syracuse

The Irish look to continue their solid play away from Notre Dame Stadium with a trip to Syracuse’s JMA Dome where the Orange are 5-0 this season. This will be Syracuse’s sixth home game out of eight played so far. Notre Dame won handily at North Carolina in its last true road excursion.

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[greyhammer90]

But screwing an opposing team for 3 quarters of a game in order to appease a conference coach? That's wild.

It's even more insidious when you consider that the team that they happened to get the calls for is a non-member, and the team that they didn't get the calls for was the only chance the conference has for a playoff bid.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Gentlemen: take it as more than an opinion but as a multi-decade observation from this Old Man ---> in every phase of American life, once the MONEY element passes certain levels of leverage, things change. Football conferences are now in the economic fights literally for there lives. The ACC is only relevant in the Big Money football game because of Clemson. They are one Rape (program bolting buy-out) from extinction. They would really like to be less vulnerable. Oh! Look! UNC is showing signs of a pulse! So is Syracuse! If we keep ignoring their historical misbehaviors, so might FSU and Miami. We sure as He!l don't want people coming in here and beating them "if we can help it."

This has happened in front of my eyes in every segment of Americana as we have become insanely rich, and not REALLY giving a damm about anything other than what we can buy with all that. Bag-men, now open player payoffs, NILs bidding wars, escalating facilities and expanding phoney staff positions, new departments of transfer portal player assessment and recruiting --- what a surprise that a subtle hint might be dropped here and there even to the "above criticism/ high moral ground" referees?

the MONEY/ MORALITY dichotomy is a monstrous exaggeration of the playground teeter-totter --- except that Money always defies "gravity." It IS destroying our Game.

 

[Old Man Mike]

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

Gentlemen: take it as more than an opinion but as a multi-decade observation from this Old Man ---> in every phase of American life, once the MONEY element passes certain levels of leverage, things change. Football conferences are now in the economic fights literally for there lives. The ACC is only relevant in the Big Money football game because of Clemson. They are one Rape (program bolting buy-out) from extinction. They would really like to be less vulnerable. Oh! Look! UNC is showing signs of a pulse! So is Syracuse! If we keep ignoring their historical misbehaviors, so might FSU and Miami. We sure as He!l don't want people coming in here and beating them "if we can help it."

This has happened in front of my eyes in every segment of Americana as we have become insanely rich, and not REALLY giving a damm about anything other than what we can buy with all that. Bag-men, now open player payoffs, NILs bidding wars, escalating facilities and expanding phoney staff positions, new departments of transfer portal player assessment and recruiting --- what a surprise that a subtle hint might be dropped here and there even to the "above criticism/ high moral ground" referees?

the MONEY/ MORALITY dichotomy is a monstrous exaggeration of the playground teeter-totter --- except that Money always defies "gravity." It IS destroying our Game.

I enjoy how this post is simultaneously basically right and written with the tenor of a schizophrenic boomer facebook post.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Hey we love Old Man Mike here. Take a seat and learn.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

Hey we love Old Man Mike here. Take a seat and learn.

I am seated at my computer! And I said he was basically right

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

Does anyone else think the Irish Breakdown logo (Big logo "IB" over a Shamrock) looks like some sort of promotional material for Mendoza or Wall Street Club or SIBC? We do plug kids into BULGE BRACKET INVESTMENT BANKING after all. I do think that's one of the biggest generational shifts ND has seen in recent decades - the "best thing" our school does (aside from forming thomist theologians etc) is sending dozens of people into top level manhattan finance every year

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Does anyone else think the Irish Breakdown logo (Big logo "IB" over a Shamrock) looks like some sort of promotional material for Mendoza or Wall Street Club or SIBC? We do plug kids into BULGE BRACKET INVESTMENT BANKING after all. I do think that's one of the biggest generational shifts ND has seen in recent decades - the "best thing" our school does (aside from forming thomist theologians etc) is sending dozens of people into top level manhattan finance every year

I'm trying to read this, I really am.
But I cant

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

I'm trying to read this, I really am.
But I cant

have you never talked to a mendozabro

 

[stlnd01]

Does anyone else think the Irish Breakdown logo (Big logo "IB" over a Shamrock) looks like some sort of promotional material for Mendoza or Wall Street Club or SIBC? We do plug kids into BULGE BRACKET INVESTMENT BANKING after all. I do think that's one of the biggest generational shifts ND has seen in recent decades - the "best thing" our school does (aside from forming thomist theologians etc) is sending dozens of people into top level manhattan finance every year

I dunno about a generational thing. I graduated 20 years ago and knew a bunch of guys who marched off to Manhattan finance. FWIW most of them bailed and went home to work in regional banking or commercial real estate within two years. (though to be fair 9/11 happened right then and Manhattan finance wasn’t quite what they’d signed up for).

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

I dunno about a generational thing. I graduated 20 years ago and knew a bunch of guys who marched off to Manhattan finance. FWIW most of them bailed and went home to work in regional banking or commercial real estate within two years. (though to be fair 9/11 happened right then and Manhattan finance wasn’t quite what they’d signed up for).

interesting ok im more recent then that and thought that had been more of a shift that like the "ultimate goal" of really try-hard kids at ND was BULGE BRACKET and a lot of them achieved it. People always talk about how well we place on the street nowadays and some will say it didnt use to be like that. i guess im wrong

and nope most of the people i know havent bailed yet lots of kids do the

two years bulge bracket --> private equity --> elite mba --> ??? --> PROFIT

 

[greyhammer90]

I Have 99 Things to Say

O’Malley’s weekly stream of consciousness film review following Notre Dame’s 41-24 victory over No. 16 Syracuse.

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"Syracuse is pretty chatty for a bunch of little guys from such a weak-ass football conference"

Have I mentioned that I love O'Malley?

 

[arrowryan]

Guys on the II podcast were talking about how Notre Dame learned a valuable lesson this season by not utilizing the transfer portal. Went on to talk about how they could use it this offseason...

They mentioned the name David Bailey. For those who might not remember, Bailey is a freshman DE at Stanford and was highly recruited out of high school. They went on to say that they don't know if Bailey wants to transfer. I just think that name is way too specific for them not to know something.

 

[Dale]

He was highly recruited to start but I don’t think was nearly as highly recruited as his ranking, early offers by the end. He’s kinda a tweener IIRC. Reminds me of Khari Coleman who played DE at TCU but now playing ILB at Ole Miss. Or even Botelho in some regard.

Hope he stays at Stanford. Does less damage than at USC

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I just watched the Clemson game.

Every time Jac Collinsworth said "JT Bertrand" I died more and more