ND Recruiting Violation - WEAK

[RDU Irish]

Thank GOD two SEC schools were caught doing the same thing or else we would be facing the death penalty (then again it would be peak NCAA to punish ND dramatically more than others doing the exact same thing with the exact same folks).

 

[BeauBenken]

Lorenzo Styles most likely

Thing is, couldn't it literally be any kid who played high school ball there? What makes someone a prospective student athlete?

Can a coach not get their pic taken with a kid ever just in case that kid grows up to be a recruit?

Also how can it be Pickerington when the NCAA straight up said it's a high school in Seattle, WA.

 

[IrishLion]

That's because they allowed non-athletes to enroll in some of those classes (I wish this was sarcasm).

Also, fine they had fake classes/majors but non-athletes can take them so NCAA doesn't do anything. Whatever. How were they even able to keep their accreditations is what's more appalling.

Losing accreditation for a University as large as UNC is supposed to be the big scary boogeyman, but I have doubts that it would ever *actually* happen these days.

I worked at a SMALL state university, and an accreditation review found serious shortcomings in several areas that should have meant a loss of accreditation. Once the report got out, there was just kind of this silence on campus like "oh shit, we didn't think we were actually in danger of losing all funding aside from tuition... what now?"

And then we just never heard anything else about it, until several months later the university president sent out an email to everyone about changes they were making to fix the shortcomings in exchange for maintaining accreditation.

We spent like THREE YEARS as a campus preparing for this review, and then it went very poorly anyway... and then it was just radio silence until someone made the problem go away lol. They didn't want to damage the state by affecting even one of the smaller institutions.

If they protected my former place of employment, I can't imagine they would ever actually go through with it at a place as large as UNC.

 

[dublinirish]

Thing is, couldn't it literally be any kid who played high school ball there? What makes someone a prospective student athlete?

Can a coach not get their pic taken with a kid ever just in case that kid grows up to be a recruit?

Also how can it be Pickerington when the NCAA straight up said it's a high school in Seattle, WA.

there are two violations, on in Wash and other in Pickerington

 

[BeauBenken]

there are two violations, on in Wash and other in Pickerington

Okay, after looking at the full resolution, I can see where that came from then.

So Savell Smalls and Lo Styles.

The Styles thing was just a mishap, not much punishment for that. If I had to guess, the picture may not have even been with Styles.

The Smalls thing seems like UW and that high school coach playing a dangerous game and trying to shoot a couple shots across the bow of other schools. They have no prospective athletes for us next year anyways though so who cares.

 

[zelezo vlk]

there are two violations, on in Wash and other in Pickerington

 

[BeauBenken]

Losing accreditation for a University as large as UNC is supposed to be the big scary boogeyman, but I have doubts that it would ever *actually* happen these days.

I worked at a SMALL state university, and an accreditation review found serious shortcomings in several areas that should have meant a loss of accreditation. Once the report got out, there was just kind of this silence on campus like "oh shit, we didn't think we were actually in danger of losing all funding aside from tuition... what now?"

And then we just never heard anything else about it, until several months later the university president sent out an email to everyone about changes they were making to fix the shortcomings in exchange for maintaining accreditation.

We spent like THREE YEARS as a campus preparing for this review, and then it went very poorly anyway... and then it was just radio silence until someone made the problem go away lol. They didn't want to damage the state by affecting even one of the smaller institutions.

If they protected my former place of employment, I can't imagine they would ever actually go through with it at a place as large as UNC.

What would all the poor Midwestern kids do if they shut down "No Knowledge College"? (That's who I assume you're referring to. haha)

 

[IrishLion]

What would all the poor Midwestern kids do if they shut down "No Knowledge College"? (That's who I assume you're referring to. haha)

Kids like me, who took the ACT too late to qualify for scholarships at [Large State School #1] or [Large State School #2] would be screwed lol.

 

[BeauBenken]

Kids like me, who took the ACT too late to qualify for scholarships at [Large State School #1] or [Large State School #2] would be screwed lol.

If they ever need a benefactor, my future father-in-law graduated from there and he seems to be doing quite well for himself! lol

 

[spoonidentity]

The penalties are nothing more than for show - and I guarantee both ND and the NCAA would acknowledge that. It's to show that they will cooperate, not play dirty, and still recognize something was wrong.

One year of probation. --> Don't do this again. Easy to not have contact with athletes at school when off-site visits are not allowed.

A $5,000 fine. --> Yawn.

A six-month show-cause order for the former assistant football coach, including a one-game suspension at any employing member school. --> Not a coach at ND anymore, harshest for that said coach, but he also left to a non-coaching role so it may have worked out ok.

Reduced football official visits for the 2020-21 academic year by one. -->Can you have -1 total official visits? Because that's where we are at with this one.

Reduced football unofficial visits by 14 days for the 2020-21 academic year. --> See above.

A seven-day off-campus recruiting ban for the entire football staff during the 2020-21 academic year. --> Can't recruit off campus for the entire duration of 2020-2021 thus far. Already rolled into their vacation after the Rose Bowl.

The university ended the recruitment of the prospect. --> He went elsewhere anyway.

The university will not recruit any prospects from the high school in Seattle from the 2019-20 through 2021-22 academic years. --> This expires next year and unless there are a high number of recruits from there this year the only potential recruit it prevented ND from recruiting was Sam Huard, the QB who was ALWAYS destined to follow in his dad and uncle's footsteps at UW.

 

[T-Boone]

We should take the Navy game to seattle each year and really start targeting the state.

 

[Irish2155]

Honest question - what is the NCAA besides a building about 10 maybe 15 minutes from me?

I know the thought/hope is to govern college athletics but I still stay all confused... It seams like every time they poke their head I end up even more dumbfounded.

I honestly have no idea what their purpose is any longer...??? Violations are rampant and obvious (especially south) yet it feels like they pick and choose their interests.

 

[MNIrishman]

Honest question - what is the NCAA besides a building about 10 maybe 15 minutes from me?

I know the thought/hope is to govern college athletics but I still stay all confused... It seams like every time they poke their head I end up even more dumbfounded.

I honestly have no idea what their purpose is any longer...??? Violations are rampant and obvious (especially south) yet it feels like they pick and choose their interests.

They don't pick and choose as much as the schools self-select. Everyone in the universe knows what's going on in the SEC. That conference didn't suddenly become good overnight after decades of parity without something strange happening. But it takes Tennessee nuking themselves from orbit to "expose" anything.

 

[tko]

Is this all serious or is this from the Babylon Bee?

 

[Irish2155]

They don't pick and choose as much as the schools self-select. Everyone in the universe knows what's going on in the SEC. That conference didn't suddenly become good overnight after decades of parity without something strange happening. But it takes Tennessee nuking themselves from orbit to "expose" anything.

Good insight, thank you, but not answering my question. What is the NCAA? Like what the fuck do they do? I'm not really understanding their purpose any longer.

 

[Dale]

Kinda makes sense if it was UW recruit. UW trying to lockdown the state, their coaches ratted on us anyway they could. Kennedy Catholic looks loaded with talent.

Kennedy Catholic is absolutely a Washington feeder, so this makes sense. And it that makes more sense than someone like Jimmy Lake snitching because that man has some serious skeletons in his closet.

It is a weird power move for a HS coach to snitch on something this incredibly minor. There is significant potential for blowback and burning bridges for your players. But if his goals are all local then I could see some sort of rationalizing.

The violation happened in in Jan 2019. He was a student at Garfield at the time. Garfield was home to now FAU assistant Joey Thomas. FAU currently coached by Taggert. The UW 247 board seemed overly sure Thomas tried to push kids to FSU when Taggert was there. And that’s the info board snooping gets you lol

 

[IrishLax]

The violation happened in in Jan 2019. He was a student at Garfield at the time. Garfield was home to now FAU assistant Joey Thomas. FAU currently coached by Taggert. The UW 247 board seemed overly sure Thomas tried to push kids to FSU when Taggert was there. And that’s the info board snooping gets you lol

Wow. This is next level detective work!

 

[Dale]

Wow. This is next level detective work!

Piecing it together took the research but the UW posters spoke pretty matter of fact with it, a “yeah that fits Thomas” type tone

 

[GATTACA!]

The violation happened in in Jan 2019. He was a student at Garfield at the time. Garfield was home to now FAU assistant Joey Thomas. FAU currently coached by Taggert. The UW 247 board seemed overly sure Thomas tried to push kids to FSU when Taggert was there. And that’s the info board snooping gets you lol

 

[ThePiombino]

Reduced football unofficial visits by 14 days for the 2020-21 academic year.

This seems extreme, but to be fair I also don't know what that number was reduced from. 14 days seems like a lot though.

The university will not recruit any prospects from the high school in Seattle from the 2019-20 through 2021-22 academic years.

AKA ever again for so long as that good of a HC is still there...

 

[ThePiombino]

I think there are two separate instances, and the photo one is Lorenzo Styles and not any kind of set up. Just something that happened that shouldn't be a violation but it is because the NCAA is dumb.

Yep. Lebron can gift the OSU football team 10s of thousands of dollars worth of Beats headphones -- that's OK. But God forbid a HC take a picture with a kid...

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Probation?

 

[rtrn2glory]

Lorenzo Styles most likely

is this really true??

NCAA is totally fucked up if that's the case.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Honest question - what is the NCAA besides a building about 10 maybe 15 minutes from me?

I know the thought/hope is to govern college athletics but I still stay all confused... It seams like every time they poke their head I end up even more dumbfounded.

I honestly have no idea what their purpose is any longer...??? Violations are rampant and obvious (especially south) yet it feels like they pick and choose their interests.

Their investigative powers are very limited. They can force member schools to turn over information but they can't subpoena third parties or compel people to talk to them.

EDIT: That's what got so weird with the Miami scandal a ways back. The NCAA convinced an attorney involved in a fraud case (IIRC) to ask questions about NCAA violations even though they were irrelevant to the lawsuit.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Probation?

That just means further violations in that time period come with enhanced penalties.

This is all a non-punishment for minor violations. But if schools willfully continue to commit minor violations they get hit harder. This is the mechanism to do that.