ND Offers White Privilege Course

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I thought HS coaches just had to have worked for a driving school company for a summer.


Those days are going away, at least in the Midwest. With insurance/lawsuit liabilities nowadays at an all-time high, a licensed teacher is all any school will entrust with something with the potential for injury like football.
 

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And the gauntlet gets even more "interesting" throughout your career to say the least. This is my 11th year, and I had to spend 3 hours at a PD learning how to "Read aloud to students from poverty."


I didn't realize poverty made one deaf.

It's a wonderiment how my family ever got out of Hell's Kitchen.
 

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I didn't realize poverty made one deaf.



It's a wonderiment how my family ever got out of Hell's Kitchen.


Exactly. The only relevant point of the whole ordeal was the revelation that kids from poverty don't read/aren't read to at home as much, which is a pearl of wisdom anyone with common sense already understands.
 

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I thought Notre Dame already offered courses on mythology.
 
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Black people are the most racist because I can't say the n-word and they won't teach me their cool handshakes!!!!1
 

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ND Offers White Privilege Course

They have a course on creationism?


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Every time you go in a store and aren't followed around it's white privilege.

Hmm. Can't remember the last time I got followed around a store. Is that Latino privilege?

Those damn Latin Americans... always holding everyone down...
 

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Every time you're hitting on a girl and she assumes you have a giant schlong, that's Black Privilege.
 

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Every time you go in a store and aren't followed around it's white privilege.

What if I told you I have been followed around stores though. Are you saying when I haven't been followed, it's because I'm white? But when I am followed, what is it for?
 
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What if I told you I have been followed around stores though. Are you saying when I haven't been followed, it's because I'm white? But when I am followed, what is it for?


What if I told you....ESPN 30 for 30
 
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Exactly. The only relevant point of the whole ordeal was the revelation that kids from poverty don't read/aren't read to at home as much, which is a pearl of wisdom anyone with common sense already understands.

If HS teachers have to read aloud to students, the students should NOT be in HS. They shouldn't have passed the 5th grade.

I have a professor friend who teaches remedial English at a local college. It's not English as a second language but English at a 5th grad level for incoming freshman of all races who made it through 13 years of our education system without attaining the language skills of a real 5th grader. Reading aloud is not the solution. It's perpetuates the problem and provides the student with a phony degree. It exacerbates the problem when a student with a new diploma can't get a job because they can't read job instructions nor make change wihtout a cash register to do the math.


My grandmother didn't get read to at home or anywhere. My great grandmother was a alcoholic. Neither she nor her husband were discussed by my grandma and her sibling as adults. My grandmother was the oldest of 10 kids in Hell's Kitchen. A 6th floor walkup with little heat in the winter, stiffling heat in the summer, and candlelight because they couldn't afford the gaslights. Think Bed Stuy without the benefits. Gangs and violence without food stamps, no school breakfasts and lunches, no welfare, no social security checks, no unemployment checks much less extended benefits and neighborhood block grants, no medical clinics, community activists, nor other forms of assistance. NO NOTHING. You made it on your own or you died, usually young. At a time when there were no civilian review boards, no secruity cameras, no 24/7 news shows and people didn't have the luxury of laying in the street for hours because the coppers would have split their skulls with billy clubs regardless of race or attire because "they were blockin' the fuckin' way!"

Her white privilege was to get a job at 12 while she was also the cook, housekeeper, and schoolmarm to her younger siblings as well as tending to her "ill" parents. She didn't graduate grade school but she saw to it that her siblings did. She wasn't a victim, she was a survivor. As were those that preceded her through 800 years of oppression and a program of "racial cleansing".

As a mother she worked three jobs so her son could attend a parochial HS 4 bus transfers away and then college. He quit college after one semester to get a job to help out finanically as his father's heart was failing.

My grandfather's line was a bunch of immigrant ditch diggers and quarrymen. Manual labor 12 hours a day, 6 days a week when there was work. It was NINA time, "No Irish Need Apply". Black slaves at the time had a harsh life but they had a roof and meager food. The Irish were worth less. Some of my ancestors used their white privilege as Union Soldiers during the war to free the slaves that would compete for their meager jobs. Education wasn't required, just the ability to carry and gun and bleed.

My father owned two pairs of shoes, one brown and a one black. He had one suit. My mother's closet was 30 inches wide. She didn't have to spend time planning what to wear. She couldn't go a full week with out rewearing the same clothes. When they got married he had the white privilege of working for a finance company ... he repossessed cars. My mother would drive him to the repossessed cars. She once got shot at by an angry non-payer.

My oldest sister had a year of business school. The next sister got a associate's degree as a bilingual secretary, English/Spanish. Then my dad died at 47 of heart disease. We had no insurance as my parents didn't have much money and had to make tough financial choices. We didn't have the luxury to live paycheck to paycheck. He was a proprietor with two employees. If the week's recepits were slow he got the short end as the employees paychecks and witholding came first. When he died during my last week of high school, my ND admission went by the board as I first commuted to college and then lived near campus in the ghetto. The Central Ward, Newark NJ where there were more white street lights than white people. Where my fraternity did volunteer work (teaching and mentoring to neighborhood kids and volunteering in the local hospital during the Newark Riots in '67. There was a sniper on the roof of the brown stone where I had a room. I saw enough horror that week to last a life time. Ferguson was a student demonstration by comparison. (Google Springfield Avenue.) I worked 18 jobs from clean up work, busboy, short order cook to being a Teamster (beer truck driver in Harlem and the Bronx) while in college to pay my own way while my mother worked to raise the 9 year old and 7 year old who had no father. I became the first college graduate in my family and used my white privilege to get drafted in the "black man's war" in Vietnam. After the army I went back to engineering and used my easy stress free white privileges to have a heart attack at 33. I had my second one this week. Fourteen years ago I became the oldest living male in the 6 generations since we arrived here on a former slave ship. But enough of my white privilege.

My younger sister used her white privilege to earn two degrees in special education then couldn't find a job in her field. She worked as a waitress, retail sales, sold supplies to the Navy, and today is a very successful business person. She raised two kids as a divorced mom with a jerk ex-husband. Two of my sisters raised kids successfully while working and struggling to pay bills without food stamps, or welfare.

My brother paid his own way through college working as a yardman, hot tar roofer, framer, electrician helper, and mason's helper after my mother died of a heart attack. He used his white privilege to become a felon for Intent To Distribute. He did his time and turned his life around ... on his own initiative and has lead a productive life.

My grandmother knew hopeless poverty as a child. She broke the cycle because she would not be a victim. She wasn't the type to pitch an Abercrombie and Fitch tent to demonstrate with her $600 cell phone or with her $200 Beats or $200 sneakers while whining about her student loans she took to avoid working. Nor was she the type to burn down her neighborhood for change.

She started the climb out of the crucible before she was a teenager with no parental help, no government help, and no one reading aloud. She didn't have white privilege but I am privileged to have known her. Color, race, or nationality has nothing to do with it. You can find similar stories in all the countries on all the contintents. The journey of a thousand steps still begins with a single step but you have to take it. Not demand that another walk it for you.
 

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Ickythump- your avatar makes it really difficult for me to read your posts as a white privileged male! I expect an apology!
 

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Ickythump- your avatar makes it really difficult for me to read your posts as a white privileged male! I expect an apology!
I sincerely apologize, I would never want to infringe on the privilege of another white man.
 
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Are you talking to yourself because 99% of the shit you spew on here is backed by no facts and certainly no evidence. Not even anecdotal most of the time.

Read my posts homie I have put on a lot of sources and stuff for a forum while ignoring stuff that may be more contentious and has the chance of being untrue, like the dude who was shot by LAPD yesterday.
 

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Read my posts homie I have put on a lot of sources and stuff for a forum while ignoring stuff that may be more contentious and has the chance of being untrue, like the dude who was shot by LAPD yesterday.
Except for ignoring a few KEY facts like:
-Michael Brown had just physically assaulted a store owner while robbing said store owner
-Michael Brown was walking down the middle of the street and repeatedly ignored a police officer's legitimate requests to get off the road
-Michael Brown then assaulted said police officer and made an attempt for his service weapon

The "facts" that you believe, like Michael Brown had his hands up, are only backed up by his partner in crime and hood eye witnesses.

In the NYC case:
-Eric Garner resisted arrest
-Eric Garner likely died because he was fat and in poor health

Another FACT in both cases is neither man had to die and both men caused their own death. Had they not resisted arrest, and in Brown's case not physically assaulted a police officer while trying to grab his weapon, they would both still be alive today. Once again this concept is known as personal responsibility but time and again your posts have shown a startling lack of any understand of that concept. Any time a black person has an issue you believe it anyone else in the world's fault other than own. You come off like you're on some noble crusade when in reality you're just a race hustler and a troll. Your worldview is full of hate for anyone not like you and is cobbled together by a bunch of vague conspiracy theories, racism, and an absolute belief that personal responsibility does not exist.
 

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If HS teachers have to read aloud to students, the students should NOT be in HS. They shouldn't have passed the 5th grade.

I have a professor friend who teaches remedial English at a local college. It's not English as a second language but English at a 5th grad level for incoming freshman of all races who made it through 13 years of our education system without attaining the language skills of a real 5th grader. Reading aloud is not the solution. It's perpetuates the problem and provides the student with a phony degree. It exacerbates the problem when a student with a new diploma can't get a job because they can't read job instructions nor make change wihtout a cash register to do the math.


My grandmother didn't get read to at home or anywhere. My great grandmother was a alcoholic. Neither she nor her husband were discussed by my grandma and her sibling as adults. My grandmother was the oldest of 10 kids in Hell's Kitchen. A 6th floor walkup with little heat in the winter, stiffling heat in the summer, and candlelight because they couldn't afford the gaslights. Think Bed Stuy without the benefits. Gangs and violence without food stamps, no school breakfasts and lunches, no welfare, no social security checks, no unemployment checks much less extended benefits and neighborhood block grants, no medical clinics, community activists, nor other forms of assistance. NO NOTHING. You made it on your own or you died, usually young. At a time when there were no civilian review boards, no secruity cameras, no 24/7 news shows and people didn't have the luxury of laying in the street for hours because the coppers would have split their skulls with billy clubs regardless of race or attire because "they were blockin' the fuckin' way!"

Her white privilege was to get a job at 12 while she was also the cook, housekeeper, and schoolmarm to her younger siblings as well as tending to her "ill" parents. She didn't graduate grade school but she saw to it that her siblings did. She wasn't a victim, she was a survivor. As were those that preceded her through 800 years of oppression and a program of "racial cleansing".

As a mother she worked three jobs so her son could attend a parochial HS 4 bus transfers away and then college. He quit college after one semester to get a job to help out finanically as his father's heart was failing.

My grandfather's line was a bunch of immigrant ditch diggers and quarrymen. Manual labor 12 hours a day, 6 days a week when there was work. It was NINA time, "No Irish Need Apply". Black slaves at the time had a harsh life but they had a roof and meager food. The Irish were worth less. Some of my ancestors used their white privilege as Union Soldiers during the war to free the slaves that would compete for their meager jobs. Education wasn't required, just the ability to carry and gun and bleed.

My father owned two pairs of shoes, one brown and a one black. He had one suit. My mother's closet was 30 inches wide. She didn't have to spend time planning what to wear. She couldn't go a full week with out rewearing the same clothes. When they got married he had the white privilege of working for a finance company ... he repossessed cars. My mother would drive him to the repossessed cars. She once got shot at by an angry non-payer.

My oldest sister had a year of business school. The next sister got a associate's degree as a bilingual secretary, English/Spanish. Then my dad died at 47 of heart disease. We had no insurance as my parents didn't have much money and had to make tough financial choices. We didn't have the luxury to live paycheck to paycheck. He was a proprietor with two employees. If the week's recepits were slow he got the short end as the employees paychecks and witholding came first. When he died during my last week of high school, my ND admission went by the board as I first commuted to college and then lived near campus in the ghetto. The Central Ward, Newark NJ where there were more white street lights than white people. Where my fraternity did volunteer work (teaching and mentoring to neighborhood kids and volunteering in the local hospital during the Newark Riots in '67. There was a sniper on the roof of the brown stone where I had a room. I saw enough horror that week to last a life time. Ferguson was a student demonstration by comparison. (Google Springfield Avenue.) I worked 18 jobs from clean up work, busboy, short order cook to being a Teamster (beer truck driver in Harlem and the Bronx) while in college to pay my own way while my mother worked to raise the 9 year old and 7 year old who had no father. I became the first college graduate in my family and used my white privilege to get drafted in the "black man's war" in Vietnam. After the army I went back to engineering and used my easy stress free white privileges to have a heart attack at 33. I had my second one this week. Fourteen years ago I became the oldest living male in the 6 generations since we arrived here on a former slave ship. But enough of my white privilege.

My younger sister used her white privilege to earn two degrees in special education then couldn't find a job in her field. She worked as a waitress, retail sales, sold supplies to the Navy, and today is a very successful business person. She raised two kids as a divorced mom with a jerk ex-husband. Two of my sisters raised kids successfully while working and struggling to pay bills without food stamps, or welfare.

My brother paid his own way through college working as a yardman, hot tar roofer, framer, electrician helper, and mason's helper after my mother died of a heart attack. He used his white privilege to become a felon for Intent To Distribute. He did his time and turned his life around ... on his own initiative and has lead a productive life.

My grandmother knew hopeless poverty as a child. She broke the cycle because she would not be a victim. She wasn't the type to pitch an Abercrombie and Fitch tent to demonstrate with her $600 cell phone or with her $200 Beats or $200 sneakers while whining about her student loans she took to avoid working. Nor was she the type to burn down her neighborhood for change.

She started the climb out of the crucible before she was a teenager with no parental help, no government help, and no one reading aloud. She didn't have white privilege but I am privileged to have known her. Color, race, or nationality has nothing to do with it. You can find similar stories in all the countries on all the contintents. The journey of a thousand steps still begins with a single step but you have to take it. Not demand that another walk it for you.

That is all very inspiring, but it seems like you have a fundamental misunderstanding about what is meant by white privilege. Nobody mistakenly believes all white people are born with a million dollar trust account and a guarantee of a stress-free and easy existence. The concept of white privilege refers to an institutional bias that affords white people a benefit of the doubt not afforded to others. That institutional bias is real and manifests itself statistically in arrest rates, traffic stop rates, stop-and-frisk rates, judicial outcomes for people charged with similar crimes (imprisonment vs. alternative punishments) - particularly drug crimes, and in the makeup of the corporate workforce where minorities are drastically underrepresented versus the country's makeup on the whole.

I also don't think anyone is asking individual white people to sandbag themselves in the name of leveling the playing field. The point of talking about white privilege is, I think, just to promote awareness and put pressure on the institutions to act better and more fairly. You aren't being asked to feel bad for being born a white person, just to recognize that we haven't eradicated institutional prejudice yet and that more needs to be done.
 
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