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FightingIrishLover7

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Anyone that doesn't appreciate brey is living in an unrealistic world.
Who would ND get?
Brey is an absolute perfect fit for the job, he's clearly been progressing year after year.
And about elite talent coming in...
Cameron was a parade all American.
Jerian was a solid four star.
Auguste, Steve, VJ are all real good players.
And if you think demetrius jackson isn't elite, than I guess i don't know what elite is.
Brey will take good care of this team.

Be realistic, please. Thanks.
 

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Like what?

My stepdaughter and son-in-law both graduated in the past 10 years. So, don't tell me that ND students can't take four hours out from studying to attend two games a week. I know that's not true.

Did they also go to swim meets and cross country races? If we're not interested in some regular season basketball game that probably has minimal significance, then we're not interested. End of story.
 

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Per Wikipedia:

1971-91 Digger Phelps 20 393–197 .666
1991–99 John MacLeod 8 106–124 .461
1999–2000 Matt Doherty 1 22–15 .595
2000–present Mike Brey 10 188-101 .651


Give me Brey over MacLeod and Doherty. Breys wiining percentage is damn near Phelps, all the while playing a significantly tougher schedule than Digger had to every year. I am just happy Brey stopped wearing the mock turtlenecks.
 

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2013 Recruiting class is the best I ever remember ND getting. DJ is elite and VJ and Vasturia are both solid 4 star players.
 

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Well that was convincing.

But since I am a season ticket holder, here's what they could do to show me they care, since you didn't provide any evidence.

1. Reduce ticket prices for the upper concourse. Clearly the city isn't going to pay those prices. Lower the prices to get more fans in the door.

2. Make season tickets part of tuition. The students have to pay for tickets. They typically only buy a Big East package. If they can come for free, perhaps they'll show up

3. Expect better recruiting. We are far below the elite in talent. We get their castoffs. Set the academic bar to be the same as football. Hire a coach who is a dynamic recruiter as well as a good bench coach. Watch Izzo or Kryzewski work the referees and their players and then watch Brey. He's not in their league. We did it when we hired a young Digger. We can do it again.

4. Set the bar for success on the NCAA tournament. We gave Brey a 10 year extension when he accomplished (a) one sweet sixteen appearance with players he didn't recruit (b) one 3rd round (c) 5 second round (d) 3 1st round (e) 3 NIT's. The tournament is what counts. We are around a Top 40-50 program based on that track record.

For comparison here is what Digger did:

1971–1972 Notre Dame 6–20
1972–1973 Notre Dame 18–12 NIT Runner Up
1973–1974 Notre Dame 26–3 NCAA Sweet 16/NCAA Midwest 3rd Place
1974–1975 Notre Dame 19–10 NCAA Sweet 16
1975–1976 Notre Dame 23–6 NCAA Sweet 16
1976–1977 Notre Dame 22–7 NCAA 1st Round
1977–1978 Notre Dame 23–8 NCAA Final Four
1978–1979 Notre Dame 24–6 NCAA Elite 8
1979–1980 Notre Dame 22–6 NCAA 2nd Round
1980–1981 Notre Dame 23–6 NCAA Sweet 16
1981–1982 Notre Dame 10–17
1982–1983 Notre Dame 19–10 NIT 1st Round
1983–1984 Notre Dame 21–12 NIT Runner Up
1984–1985 Notre Dame 21–9 NCAA 2nd Round
1985–1986 Notre Dame 23–6 NCAA 1st Round
1986–1987 Notre Dame 24–8 NCAA Sweet 16
1987–1988 Notre Dame 20–9 NCAA 1st Round
1988–1989 Notre Dame 21–7 NCAA 2nd Round
1989–1990 Notre Dame 16–13 NCAA 1st Round
1990–1991 Notre Dame 12–20

Don't forget the expanded tournament field (which makes it harder for sweet 16) :

The NCAA tournament has expanded a number of times throughout its history. This is a breakdown of the history of the tournament format:
1939–1950: 8 teams
1951–1952: 16 teams
1953–1974: varied between 22 and 25 teams
1975–1978: 32 teams
1979: 40 teams
1980–1982: 48 teams
1983: 52 teams (four play-in games before the tournament)
1984: 53 teams (five play-in games before the tournament)
1985–2000: 64 teams
2001–2010: 65 teams (with an opening round game to determine whether the 64th or 65th team plays in the first round)
2011–present: 68 teams (four play-in games in the first round before all remaining teams compete in the second round)
 
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Is there anyone that we lead for in 2014?

Edit: Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! Brian Kelly need to give Brey some recruiting tips! Per 24/7, the biggest interest we have from someone is considered "cool" interest. Smh
 
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Is there anyone that we lead for in 2014?

Edit: Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! Brian Kelly need to give Brey some recruiting tips! Per 24/7, the biggest interest we have from someone is considered "cool" interest. Smh

There might be a reason for the lack of recruiting for 2014. Possibly they aren't very interested in the class or are going to focus on a select recruit or two. Izzo did this for 2013 focusing solely on Jabari. It didnt work our but we are heavily focused on 2014 being named favorites for tyus jones, cliff alexander, and jahlil okafor.
 

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There might be a reason for the lack of recruiting for 2014. Possibly they aren't very interested in the class or are going to focus on a select recruit or two. Izzo did this for 2013 focusing solely on Jabari. It didnt work our but we are heavily focused on 2014 being named favorites for tyus jones, cliff alexander, and jahlil okafor.

Notre Dame doesn't have the luxury of being picky.
 

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I don't really follow basketball recruiting but it's a little early to be worrying about '14 recruiting isn't it?
 

arrowryan

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I don't really follow basketball recruiting but it's a little early to be worrying about '14 recruiting isn't it?

Not really. You could say the same thing about football recruiting considering NSD for basketball is 2 months before the football NSD
 

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I don't really follow basketball recruiting but it's a little early to be worrying about '14 recruiting isn't it?
a lot of top hoops recruits commit early and in their junior years. Also once a hoops recruit commits it's usually over so first to that verbal wins.
 

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I keep my season tickets because they are mid court and my family can use them.

In the past three years seasons, it appears to me that season ticket buyers have declined. There are plenty of empty seats in the lower arena now. I really don't see any reason for a 10 year extension for any coach, but the very best. Perhaps a guy who built a dynasty (Wooden, Knight, Kryszewski) but not for Brey.

If the bar is set for NCAA tournament success, and I mean at least Sweet 16 success, Brey is failing.

What other schools have offered Brey a 10 year contract?

I don't see the program building. We're a middle of the pack Big East program that fades at the end of the year. We are still signing lowly regarded projects whose other official visits are Northern Illinois, IUPUI and Rice. We're not going anywhere not being able to make the most out of every recruiting opportunity. We're not going anywhere playing our guards every minute of every game because we didn't recruit well. I don't see any momentum at all.

Patulski,

If you are so upset with the program why do you continue to buy season tickets? Taking a guess here but I would imagine basketball season tickets sales have probably been on a steady increase in Brey's tenure. Hard to say a guy isn't worth an extension.

Recruiting is getting better. Outside of a couple All - Americans we didn't use to land many national recruited kids. We are starting to do so now, and the move to the ACC should only help keep that moving in the right direction.

If you don't think the bar is set for NCAA tournament success you're crazy. What sense would it make for Jack "The Man" Swarbrick to set high bars for all ND athletics, work his tail off to get a conference alignment that not only benefited the football program perfectly but our other athletics as well, then tell Brey, "hey don't worry about the NCAA tourney."

Lastly, why do you give a guy like Brey the 10 year ext.? Because other schools will and for a program that doesn't have the same tradition as the football program does a coach needs to be able to tell these kids I am not going anywhere if you come to ND. Stability and growth, and a little keep away.

You may disagree with most if not all of what I say but that is how I look at your arguments. Is it where we would all like it to be yet, absolutely not. Can we expect Digger Phelps to put on a plaid jacket and take Brey's job away? Absolutely not. No two coaches are alike and nor should they be.
 
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I know that ND basketball isn't as good as Duke's Basketball program but how come we are recruiting some of those kids? Duke is a pretty good school academically unless they are really giving them a pass.
 

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We do recruit those kids. Why don't we land them? Because they are the duke basketball team and we aren't.
 

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Duke's academic standards for bball players are virtually the same as generic NCAA requirements. Sean Dockery got in with a 16 on his ACT. Coach K does a good job avoiding big character problems though. And they mostly graduate.
 

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Duke's academic standards for bball players are virtually the same as generic NCAA requirements. Sean Dockery got in with a 16 on his ACT. Coach K does a good job avoiding big character problems though. And they mostly graduate.

No different than here. We lower the bar plenty, but expect to avoid character issues and have them graduate. Sounds like two pretty similar systems. Duke has weather, tradition, coaching legend on their side. Haven't been to Durham but it probably beats South Bend. Academically they're at least as strong if not better.
 
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No different than here. We lower the bar plenty, but expect to avoid character issues and have them graduate. Sounds like two pretty similar systems. Duke has weather, tradition, coaching legend on their side. Haven't been to Durham but it probably beats South Bend. Academically they're at least as strong if not better.

Durham can get pretty ghetto pretty quickly if you don't know what you're doing.

But yeah, I agree with you.
 
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Duke's academic standards for bball players are virtually the same as generic NCAA requirements. Sean Dockery got in with a 16 on his ACT. Coach K does a good job avoiding big character problems though. And they mostly graduate.

A member since August of 2007 and this is only your second post? wut.
 

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Duke's academic standards for bball players are virtually the same as generic NCAA requirements. Sean Dockery got in with a 16 on his ACT. Coach K does a good job avoiding big character problems though. And they mostly graduate.


They also have a joke major that basketball players take. I think it was Sociology. ESPN did an investigative report on it years ago, right after Jay Williams left school I think.
 

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They also have a joke major that basketball players take. I think it was Sociology. ESPN did an investigative report on it years ago, right after Jay Williams left school I think.

I figured this would happen. But when I was on scout there a lot of players with out offers from us. It is nice to have 3 four star guys coining but then you have a 2 star with then. Going to the Acc 2 stars aren't going to be able to hang in that division.
 

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I figured this would happen. But when I was on scout there a lot of players with out offers from us. It is nice to have 3 four star guys coining but then you have a 2 star with then. Going to the Acc 2 stars aren't going to be able to hang in that division.

Seriously...what are you talking about?
 

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I'm convinced we need to recruit more athletic bigs like Auguste after watching the first two rounds of the tournament.
 
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I'm convinced we need to recruit more athletic bigs like Auguste after watching the first two rounds of the tournament.

Agreed. I feel like after bringing in the 2013 class, that is the one type of player that we need more of.
 

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Agreed. I feel like after bringing in the 2013 class, that is the one type of player that we need more of.

Auguste may be athletic but he's not explosive by any means, which is important when you can't get to the hoop in time to avoid being blocked. He will need some sort of offensive game if we don't want to suck next year.
 
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