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Charlie Partridge Pitt

I pick this one just to piss off Narduzzi.

 

[BeatSC]

Don’t want anyone here that isn’t jacked to be here. Sounds like Elston’s heart wasn’t going to be in it if he wasn’t DC and as an audition he shit the bed so he’s out. Hope he got a nice chunk of change and can learn more with a new start under Harbaugh as he is a good coach love em or hate em. As far as Heacock goes we can do better imo. We need someone who can kill it recruiting and keep up with Freeman’s energy. As long as we are willing to pay what it takes then fine. I would like to think Freeman knows the kind of guy he wants and knows more than one of them. I’m more focused on the DC than the Dline coach. Zorich would be an interesting hire if it were considered but one the DC would need to be all in on. He brings a level of fire that most have never experienced before.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Some DL coaches who I like.
Ian Scott central Michigan 4th in the nation in sacks and played in the NFL.

Charlie Partridge Pitt
Brian Early Houston

See my post in the Elston thread. He and Belk coming together is my ideal scenario at the moment. There is always the NFL route, but I just don't think Freeman has the connections yet to pick from that tree.

 

[ulukinatme]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2012-08-21-ct-met-zorich-resolution-20120821-story.html


This would likely rule Zorich out.


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I mean, I know ND is a bit of a charity case...but the article only says he's not allowed to run a charity in Illinois. Doesn't say anything about Indiana!

I still say if we're going after previous DL players go get Justin Tuck. He's younger and has been out of the league for several years, may be itching to get back into the game.

 

[ulukinatme]

Being a good college football coach isn't something that just happens because you are football savvy. You first have to know if you even want to be a college football coach and Zorich himself has no idea if he wants to be one. At one point, Bryant Young thought he wanted to be a college football coach... and then decided he didn't after giving it a try.

Until Zorich actually tries coaching he has no idea if he'll like it. That's why almost all of them start as GAs first, or analysts now that analysts are common. They don't start out as position coaches at the highest level right off the bat. Bad idea.

To be fair, Bryant Young quit coaching college in 2012 because he wanted to spend more time with family. He did start coaching again in the NFL in 2017 for a few years as the Falcons DL coach. He did that till 2019 when he stepped down once again for family time. So I don't think it was so much he didn't want to be a coach, he just had different priorities at the time.

 

[bumpdaddy]

To be fair, Bryant Young quit coaching college in 2012 because he wanted to spend more time with family. He did start coaching again in the NFL in 2017 for a few years as the Falcons DL coach. He did that till 2019 when he stepped down once again for family time. So I don't think it was so much he didn't want to be a coach, he just had different priorities at the time.

It's fair to bring up his coaching stints but I think you've proven my point (my point about Young, not necessarily my overall point). Coaching off and on for a total of 3 years out of the last 9 pretty much proves he didn't really want to be a coach. All coaches have families. Coaches who really like coaching find a way to balance coaching and family life. It's a big part of the profession. If family becomes a conflicting priority where you have to choose one or the other then, obviously, coaching isn't for that person. And that's fine. Not everyone is made out to be a coach. But many don't know that about themselves unless they actually try doing it first. It certainly looks like that's what BY found out about himself.

 

[ulukinatme]

It's fair to bring up his coaching stints but I think you've proven my point (my point about Young, not necessarily my overall point). Coaching off and on for a total of 3 years out of the last 9 pretty much proves he didn't really want to be a coach. All coaches have families. Coaches who really like coaching find a way to balance coaching and family life. It's a big part of the profession. If family becomes a conflicting priority where you have to choose one or the other then, obviously, coaching isn't for that person. And that's fine. Not everyone is made out to be a coach. But many don't know that about themselves unless they actually try doing it first. It certainly looks like that's what BY found out about himself.

There were extenuating circumstances. I just found out the real reason he quit coaching the first time was his son had brain cancer. After fighting for a number of years he passed away. He then rejoined Dan Quinn who was with the Falcons at this point. Quinn was the DC when Bryant was coaching DL at the University of Florida before his son's cancer diagnosis, they were tight going back to his 49er days. Fuck cancer.

 

[Irish#1]

So, what is your argument???? All you can do is post a quote???? Story???? Article???? Have you not read other posts in this Forum that also suggests that Zorich could/would be a good hire???

Make a solid argument brother and I will listen to it. It can't be because one has a Charity that has members that have fooked the business.... Cripes.... people blamed BK for a death... you have to come on stronger than that.

Forgetting whether he's qualified or not, it is a very valid reason. O'Leary wasn't hired because he lied on his resume. Zorich's transgressions were more serious. He may have made restitution and has been a model citizen since, but his charity and tax issues would still be a red flag for the admin. They tend to frown upon bad publicity.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Explain to me why Zorich would have the experience to coach defense today? I know very little of his accolades or credentials. Where did this come from?

 

[Rogue219]

Explain to me why Zorich would have the experience to coach defense today? I know very little of his accolades or credentials.

He played DL at ND. There is no other reason to mention him despite it not being a plausible or sensible hire.

 

[Rogue219]

If it is Belk or Mason, I really hope Belk is the guy for the job and ND lands him. Then it comes down to the DL coach and you have a staff ready to roll.

The heavy recruiting gains are going to have to happen on offense, however, for ND to get where they and we want them to go.

 

[Free Manera]

If it is Belk or Mason, I really hope Belk is the guy for the job and ND lands him. Then it comes down to the DL coach and you have a staff ready to roll.

The heavy recruiting gains are going to have to happen on offense, however, for ND to get where they and we want them to go.

ND needs to recruit better on the D line too. The Freeman Factor is starting to reap dividends when you look at '23. But still, the D line is nowhere near what it needs to be to win a playoff game. ND has 1 Foskey and Georgia has 8.

 

[Rogue219]

ND needs to recruit better on the D line too. The Freeman Factor is starting to reap dividends when you look at '23. But still, the D line is nowhere near what it needs to be to win a playoff game. ND has 1 Foskey and Georgia has 8.

They need a QB and receivers. If an significant upgrade needs to happen for them to win a Championship, that's it.

 

[Free Manera]

They need a QB and receivers. If an significant upgrade needs to happen for them to win a Championship, that's it.

Championship teams always have an elite D line. Bama, OSU, UGA, Clemson, every single one of those teams had elite pass rushers.

ND hasn't signed a top 100 D line recruit in like 10 years.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Saw on ISD we haven't signed a high 4 star DL in over 5 years (.95). Overhyped recruiter.

Michigan's landed several in those years.

 

[Rogue219]

Championship teams always have an elite D line. Bama, OSU, UGA, Clemson, every single one of those teams had elite pass rushers.

ND hasn't signed a top 100 D line recruit in like 10 years.

Championship teams also need to score points. Notre Dame has been to two semifinals and scored a combined 17 points.

You want to be elite everywhere, obviously, but at the end of the day I want an offense that can play against those varsity DL.

 

[DCDomer]

Scruggs at Cincy is a young guy who is rising fast in the business

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[Rogue219]

Belk brings Early with him to ND.

I'm in.

 

[Rogue219]

This is not a good look.

I agree. For Heacock.

 

[dublinirish]

Explain to me why Zorich would have the experience to coach defense today? I know very little of his accolades or credentials. Where did this come from?

lol same as Todd Lyght and Autry Denson so

 

[Dale]

lol same as Todd Lyght and Autry Denson so

Neither were as good as you’d have hoped but this is not true. Lyght started at Gorman and then coached for the Eagles for 2 years before ND. Denson HS and then 4 years in college before ND

 

[Rogue219]

Autry Denson got a head coaching job and was never an offensive coordinator. He's one up on Mike Elston and Eric Bienemy in that regard.

 

[Irish#1]

Championship teams also need to score points. Notre Dame has been to two semifinals and scored a combined 17 points.

You want to be elite everywhere, obviously, but at the end of the day I want an offense that can play against those varsity DL.

Even with the offenses of today, defense still wins championships.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Even with the offenses of today, defense still wins championships.

Absolutely false. Example: Team A has the #1 defense and the #65 offense. Team B has the #1 offense and the #65 defense. If those two teams faced off in the national title game, Team B is winning 8 times out of 10 because under the present rules, elite offenses cannot be stopped, while average offenses can be. Maybe they'll change the rules someday to stop favoring offenses so heavily, but until that happens, I'd take an elite QB and NFL WRs over a beefy 3-4 defensive front that can't be run on every day of the week.

 

[ulukinatme]

lol same as Todd Lyght and Autry Denson so

To be fair the RBs were improved under Denson...maybe not where they are under Taylor but Kyren was a beast and is hard to top. Also Troy Pride and Julian Love both swore by Lyght and they turned out pretty good. Gotta wonder if Lyght would still be around if there wasn't that little recruiting faux-pas at the end.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Absolutely false. Example: Team A has the #1 defense and the #65 offense. Team B has the #1 offense and the #65 defense. If those two teams faced off in the national title game, Team B is winning 8 times out of 10 because under the present rules, elite offenses cannot be stopped, while average offenses can be. Maybe they'll change the rules someday to stop favoring offenses so heavily, but until that happens, I'd take an elite QB and NFL WRs over a beefy 3-4 defensive front that can't be run on every day of the week.

I think you're mostly right but is that 8/10 estimate actually based in credible analysis?

Elite defenses disrupt really good offenses and change games in bizarre ways (turnovers, flipping field, impacting 3rd down calling of what would otherwise be passes, etc.). I think you're more right than wrong but elite defenses cause havoc and average offenses can muster points.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I think you're mostly right but is that 8/10 estimate actually based in credible analysis?

Elite defenses disrupt really good offenses and change games in bizarre ways (turnovers, flipping field, impacting 3rd down calling of what would otherwise be passes, etc.). I think you're more right than wrong but elite defenses cause havoc and average offenses can muster points.

Right. It's still half of your roster, and a hugely significant part of the game. And the hypothetical I outlined above has never happened, because the teams that play for the title each year are stacked with 5-star talent on both sides of the ball.

The real argument is over which is more impactful today. "Defense wins championships" just isn't true anymore.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

"At this rate we may have to offer Coach Driskel a job!" - Driskel anonymously posting on his own message board, probably

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Even with the offenses of today, defense still wins championships.

Let it go bruh. Lol

 

[ulukinatme]

"At this rate we may have to offer Coach Driskel a job!" - Driskel anonymously posting on his own message board, probably