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Dale said:
This is a position where I absolutely need a decent sample of NFL development in the hire IMO. This is not a young guy blew you away hire like WR
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This is about my only gripe with WR coach hire.

We all saw how NFL talent at WR helps you win fb games against the elite when Bama beat us two years ago, then how much it's needed again when Bama fell apart on Monday.

We complained all year about wr coaching/recruiting.

Then we hire someone who can't sit across from a recruit and his parents and point to developing anyone into an NFL wr.

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ACamp1900 said:
So you point is a huge part of the media were right???
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Um... Harbaugh has done well as a coach... if one is going to go by what has happened just at mich... you are being very shallow at what he has done as a HC.
 
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Can someone educate me on why the fuck getting Derrick Mason would be a good thing?
 
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Read that article. Still doesn't make a case for someone that would want to go back to their Alma and try and do some good. And that was 10 years ago... sometimes, things change.
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If you don't think that would be a problem for the ND administration, then you don't understand how ND works.


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tko said:
Can someone educate me on why the fuck getting Derrick Mason would be a good thing?
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He was... a good WR coach. And he did really good at Utah and Stanford on 'D' coaching.. that's what all I can think...
 
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The worst coaching news that could have broke today could have been Mike Elston being named our DC. And for that not happening, I'm thankful.
 
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It's 'X's and O's' folks.... When I suggest Zorich - he KNOWS them. And who wouldn't want to follow the story behind how he got to ND and made a 'story for the ages' for what he accomplished at ND then on to the NFL. Deion Sanders is a perfect example. Yes, Deion coached before JSU but it was all HS jobs.... the way 90% of the members on IE talk, they could coach HS football on some level. And PRIMETIME took JSU from being 21-40 since 2014 to 13-4 in the 17 games he's coached so far.

Sometimes you need/have to give a little credit where credit is due. If one does not think Zorich would do a B-grade or above based on his past/present/name/following... look at what Rees has been able to accomplish.
 
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Classic Irish said:
Not a good argument because it's true? I'm sorry if you don't understand how the ND administration operates.

It's not just unaccounted funds from his charity. It's also not paying taxes:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...712-story.html


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Moralizing about a dude who made mistakes nearly a decade ago, apologized, was held accountable, and took responsibility is not a good argument for a Catholic university.

Not saying you're wrong, you could totally be right... doesn't make it a good argument or a good look for the administration.

Zero experience is a much better reason/argument.

But this is all hypothetical anyway so...
 
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Classic Irish said:
Not a good argument because it's true? I'm sorry if you don't understand how the ND administration operates.

It's not just unaccounted funds from his charity. It's also not paying taxes:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...ch-sentenced-to-probation-20130712-story.html


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So, what is your argument???? All you can do is post a quote???? Story???? Article???? Have you not read other posts in this Forum that also suggests that Zorich could/would be a good hire???

Make a solid argument brother and I will listen to it. It can't be because one has a Charity that has members that have fooked the business.... Cripes.... people blamed BK for a death... you have to come on stronger than that.
 
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IrishBoognish said:
Moralizing about a dude who made mistakes nearly a decade ago, apologized, was held accountable, and took responsibility is not a good argument for a Catholic university.

Not saying you're wrong, you could totally be right... doesn't make it a good argument or a good look for the administration.

Zero experience is a much better reason/argument.

But this is all hypothetical anyway so...
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Not saying whether ND is right or wrong. As an alum, I just know that ND is not forgiving about stuff like that. I agree that zero experience would be a bigger strike against him.


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Dizzyphil said:
So, what is your argument???? All you can do is post a quote???? Story???? Article???? Have you not read other posts in this Forum that also suggests that Zorich could/would be a good hire???

Make a solid argument brother and I will listen to it. It can't be because one has a Charity that has members that have fooked the business.... Cripes.... people blamed BK for a death... you have to come on stronger than that.
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My point is simple: rightly or wrongly ND is very concerned about its image. I agree that Zorich has held himself accountable. I frankly like and respect the guy. He was at ND when I was there. But ND's administration is a bit self-righteous and isn't particularly forgiving about stuff like that. ND wants to avoid any hint of scandal. It isn't any more complicated than that. Sorry if I came off as an ass.


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Classic Irish said:
Not saying whether ND is right or wrong. As an alum, I just know that ND is not forgiving about stuff like that. I agree that zero experience would be a bigger strike against him.


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I'm not trying to 'down' you man. We are all in this together to get back on track. And if I'm coming on too strong - don't mean it. I do understand the 'Moral(s)' of what the Admin wants... but if anyone wants argue the 'Morals' of the Catholic Morals... they have some long and timely arguments ahead of them.

Irish football brings in a shit-ton of money to the University. 'Morals' would be a definite argument if all the profits were part of the Catholic belief of 'The Vow of Poverty'.. as Coach Holtz used to say.

Keep it going man... not mad at 'ya, just let me know why Zorich wouldn't make a good coach...
 
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Where in my argument does "expertise" come into play? Either my point is valid or it's not, and instead of addressing it, you resort to snark.
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You ended an entire post based on your 'opinion'... so explain how Zorich is a bad idea? It wasn't a snark. You have 9/10 posts here and want to suddenly say I have a 'bad idea'. How many posts on this subject or other threads/posts have you actually read that also agree with me that Zorich would actually be a 'good idea' or not? I showed facts about current coaches that had/has very little coaching experience that has done well. Post your facts, post some links that show or have proof that backs your statement that what who I 'believe' would be a good or bad coach. I accept your opinion, but just because I don't agree with doesn't mean it a 'bad idea'. I don't like the color Purple but it is a freak'n awesome color on a 1965 GTO.

And you are right, I was a bit crass on stating 'expertise'...
 
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I don't know how any of you can consider Derrick Mason?

It won't matter for the edge rushers like Foskey. But you want to piss most your d-line then by all means hire 2 gap coach Derrick Mason.

Kiss Vernon goodbye to if ND goes to a 2 gap scheme. Keeley it luckily won't matter for as he's a wide edge player.

People talking about 3 down or 4 down looks. That's actually easy for DCs to be flexible, modern defense is multiple anyway. How they do gap responsibilities is a big philosophy thing and not something guys just change.

I don't deny two gap schemes can be great. Bellichek is great example. But d-linemen generally don't like it.
 
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chicago51 said:
I don't know how any of you can consider Derrick Mason?

It won't matter for the edge rushers like Foskey. But you want to piss most your d-line then by all means hire 2 gap coach Derrick Mason.

Kiss Vernon goodbye to if ND goes to a 2 gap scheme. Keeley it luckily won't matter for as he's a wide edge player.

People talking about 3 down or 4 down looks. That's actually easy for DCs to be flexible, modern defense is multiple anyway. How they do gap responsibilities is a big philosophy thing and not something guys just change.

I don't deny two gap schemes can be great. Bellichek is great example. But d-linemen generally don't like it.
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Didn’t you say just a few days ago you don’t know what he ran just this year at Auburn? I don’t know how you eliminate someone when unsure if he actually ran that scheme this year.
 
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If Freeman takes ND to where we all hope he will, we had better get used to this type of stuff. Hire the best and then be ready to replace them when they leave.

Georgia won the championship a few days ago and already lost their DC and the OC is rumoured to want to go back to the NFL.

Elston is a great guy, but the reason he left is that he realized that this is the game. Can't sit in one spot for 12 years and expect to get ahead.
 
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Dizzyphil said:
I'm not trying to 'down' you man. We are all in this together to get back on track. And if I'm coming on too strong - don't mean it. I do understand the 'Moral(s)' of what the Admin wants... but if anyone wants argue the 'Morals' of the Catholic Morals... they have some long and timely arguments ahead of them.

Irish football brings in a shit-ton of money to the University. 'Morals' would be a definite argument if all the profits were part of the Catholic belief of 'The Vow of Poverty'.. as Coach Holtz used to say.

Keep it going man... not mad at 'ya, just let me know why Zorich wouldn't make a good coach...
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Too much of an unknown for me regarding his coaching and recruiting skills. I think (hope) we can get a home run hire at DL.


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Dale said:
Didn’t you say just a few days ago you don’t know what he ran just this year at Auburn? I don’t know how you eliminate someone when unsure if he actually ran that scheme this year.
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Looked at some film from their game against Georgia and Bama during season. Looked like 2 gap technique for the interior line.

I will say there d-line is good.
 
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Some DL coaches who I like.
Ian Scott central Michigan 4th in the nation in sacks and played in the NFL.

Charlie Partridge Pitt
Brian Early Houston
 
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ACamp1900 said:
I mean Gattica said he’d straight up turn down Salma Hayek if she wanted to so some men are just determined to make dumb ass decisions…
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Hey if she's lookin to be my sugar grandma I might listen...
 
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