NCAA Ruling on the ND Academic Scandal

[kmoose]

I've said it before and I'll say it again --- kmoose is easily the most insufferable person on the board. IMO, he is the one poster that consistently detracts from the user experience.

User CP -----> Edit Ignore List -----> Add a member to your list -------> kmoose.

Your user experience will certainly improve.

 

[IrishBroker]

The difference is that I wouldn't say that Trump or Clinton is an "actual asshole" because I have never met either one of them, nor have I spent any time with them, to gauge their actual personality.

I'd absolutely say they are both assholes. LOL

 

[NDgradstudent]

I've been watching this very interesting documentary, Schooled, about various issues in college athletics. It has a section on the UNC academic scandal.

If we are forced to vacate our wins, UNC must be forced to vacate their basketball wins for the period their racket was in operation- which includes the 05 and 09 titles. After all, there were players on those teams who were in fake classes. This means they were academically ineligible, which means the wins have to vacated, according to the NCAA's ruling in our case. If the NCAA does not require this, then our vacation (lol) of wins cannot possibly be justified.

I'm not sure I think UNC should have to vacate its wins. The NCAA rules do not specify when wins must be vacated; it is at the discretion of the panel. But we obviously agree that it must be consistent.

 

[connor_in]

The difference is that I wouldn't say that Trump or Clinton is an "actual asshole" because I have never met either one of them, nor have I spent any time with them, to gauge their actual personality.

Made me think of the line from Guardians of the Galaxy

 

[NDgradstudent]

Remember, Michigan had a UNC-type scandal several years ago, but Michigan told the NCAA that it was no big deal, and so the NCAA concluded that it was no big deal and didn't investigate.

Lol.

On the other hand, if justice is going to be handed out capriciously, then maybe ND should not cooperate. Why make yourself vulnerable in this way? This has been LAX's point. He's right. I'm surprised Jenkins and Swarbrick thought that playing nice would earn us sympathy.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well played, <a href="https://twitter.com/MGolicJR57">@MGolicJR57</a> . Well played. <a href="https://t.co/7zjoUSZdrI">pic.twitter.com/7zjoUSZdrI</a></p>— Pete Byrne (@PeteByrneWSBT) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteByrneWSBT/status/801418597235130369">November 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[tko]

So we are banned from a bowl game next year?

 

[dang227]

I've said it before and I'll say it again --- kmoose is easily the most insufferable person on the board. IMO, he is the one poster that consistently detracts from the user experience.

I've actually enjoyed my interactions with Kmoose. To each their own.

 

[ClausentoTate]

So we are banned from a bowl game next year?

We'll just voluntarily sit out our bowl game this year...

 

[dublinirish]

So we are banned from a bowl game next year?

no. but will ND reach a bowl game next year? The defensive line looks like a horror show :/

 

[NDgradstudent]

So we are banned from a bowl game next year?

If we keep BK, effectively yes. But no.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

So we are banned from a bowl game next year?

The city of El Paso will be crushed with the news......

 

[BobbyMac]

So we are banned from a bowl game next year?

No. And no scholarship reductions either.

Still haven't seen what the actual sanctions are under the 2017 "probation". Might be a probation in name only meaning if something else happened in the period, a more aggressive penalty package would be initiated.

 

[BobbyMac]

If we keep BK, effectively yes. But no.

*** Sorry, misread the intent of your post.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No bowl ban and no scholarship reduction. <a href="https://t.co/r7qwOUpzkh">https://t.co/r7qwOUpzkh</a></p>— Mike Vorel (@mikevorel) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikevorel/status/801139531546247168">November 22, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[zelezo vlk]

No. And no scholarship reductions either.

Still haven't seen what the actual sanctions are under the 2017 "probation". Might be a probation in name only meaning if something else happened in the period, a more aggressive penalty package would be initiated.

That's what ISD said

 

[tko]

The city of El Paso will be crushed with the news......

REPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BobbyMac]

That's what ISD said

They're stalking my Facebook page again I see...

 

[tko]

They're stalking my Facebook page again I see...

straight jockin as usual

 

[irisheyes]

Does Everett Golsons cheating play into any of this?

 

[dmort]

Does Everett Golsons cheating play into any of this?

Right time frame IMO.

 

[irisheyes]

Right time frame IMO.

thats what i thought as well but havent heard anyone mention him yet.

 

[NorthDakota]

thats what i thought as well but havent heard anyone mention him yet.

If you say his name three times, your next passing play on madden/ ncaa will be a fumble or pick six.

 

[gfviperman]

ND should work with several other schools who have had enough of the NCAA, leave and form a whole new deal with way less regulations.

This is hard to take .....

 

[RyCo1983]

If you say his name three times, your next passing play on madden/ ncaa will be a fumble or pick six.

I'm still chuckling.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

This is definitely the worst year I have ever experienced being a Notre Dame fan. It has exceeded 2007.


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[RyCo1983]

This is definitely the worst year I have ever experienced being a Notre Dame fan. It has exceeded 2007.


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New home ownership and an active gigging schedule (music) has really kept me focused elsewhere for the past 3 years.

Convenient timing for sure.

I'll take it though, keep me distracted from this shit storm as much as possible.

 

[ClausentoTate]

I'm still chuckling.

It wasn't a joke...

 

[BobbyMac]

This is definitely the worst year I have ever experienced being a Notre Dame fan. It has exceeded 2007.


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[irisheyes]

If you say his name three times, your next passing play on madden/ ncaa will be a fumble or pick six.

still rather have that than tommy turnover
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">if tommy rees was on the arby's menu he'd be an apple "turnover" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MSUND?src=hash">#MSUND</a></p>— chris orlando (@thatdudeclow) <a href="https://twitter.com/thatdudeclow/status/115158502565085184">September 17, 2011</a></blockquote>
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[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"<a href="https://twitter.com/NotreDame">@NotreDame</a> has simply sold its soul to try to win more football games..." - Paul Finebaum <a href="https://t.co/O0MhpwgmJt">pic.twitter.com/O0MhpwgmJt</a></p>— Outside The Lines (@OTLonESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/OTLonESPN/status/801499311985065985">November 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>If you guys want to understand the stupidity of ND approaching everything the way they do, just watch this little clip. It perfectly encapsulates how and why this unfolded the way it did. People have been itching for this. And they put an SEC guy in charge of the infractions.

ND thought that going backs YEARS through THOUSANDS of documents looking for any sign of cheating and then retroactively changing grades for past classes was a good idea. No one asked them to do this, nor was their any precedent for doing this. They did it because they are morons and wanted brownie points for "doing things the right way." They wanted to puff their chests out and say "see how seriously we take academic integrity! See how seriously we take violations! This is institutional control!"

For some insane reason they thought the NCAA would pat them on the back and say "job well done!" That's sheer arrogance and ignorance. Everyone with half a brain knew that if they could find anything to pin on us they would hit as hard as possible. Vacated wins was the bare minimum we were going to get once our needless internal investigation wrapped how it did and they decided to go fuck with people's past transcripts.

80% of college kids cheat. Literally every school in the country has football players that cheat on homework. Only one school is stupid enough to turn over every rock years after the fact, and then hand that information unsolicited over to the NCAA. And because they did, these haughty administrators have to live with the OPPOSITE impression of how they thought they'd be portrayed. But much like ho Kelly tries to skirt blame for anything that goes wrong, they'll also pass the buck to the "unfair NCAA" instead of looking in the mirror and saying "maybe we should've given the kid a zero on the assignment in 2014 and moved on with our lives..."